Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
No I dont just go off Handbooks. Some Hulk fan a few pages back said that Marvel bio's only count and that Marvel bio just stated that Hulk's strength, stamina, and durability aren't limitless.

It's weird how every time someone brings proof here that Hulk isn't what you make him to be you have an excuse.

In your eyes........

Namor knocking out Hulk= Pis or low showing
Rhino knocking out Hulk= Pis or low showing
Juggernaut beating down Professor Hulk= Caught him off guard.
Hulk being ko'd by Spiderman= Low showing
Hulk reaching his limit in Onslaught saga= inconsistency
Thor physically killing Hulk= PIS
Sasquatch stalemating Hulk= PIS
Hulk being ko'd by Doc Samson= PIS
Thing stalemating Hulk=PIS
Silver Surfer owning Hulk= Pis
Thanos knocking Hulk around like a rag doll= PIS
Wolverine stalemating Hulk= Pis(I believe so To)
Official Marvel bio's stating that Hulk doesn't have unlimited strength, durability, or stamina= I cant go of these either

How many times does Hulk have to get ****ed up before you stop saying it's PIS for him to get beat down?

Every time we come up with proof it's PIS

I never said EVERYTHING bad that happened to Hulk was PIS, but look at it this way:

Hulk has shown he can heal from a damaged brain stems, being reduced to a skeleton, and being reduced to atoms. We then see a pic (Thor killing Hulk by impaling him) that contradicts ALL of Hulk's consistent showings, yet we just accept that one showing and ignore all the others. It just doesn't make sense to me.

We then see Venom smack around Juggernaut, as well as Hulk, Thing and Spider-Man stop him from charging, yet everyone still accepts the fact that he's 'unstoppable' and no one claims those other low showings as evidence that Cain CAN in fact be stopped.

You can't have it both ways.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
How many times do we have to ask for proof of these claims?

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes, but in the Hulk state, does the gamma radiation even provide immortality if he keeps on fighting? Was this stated anywhere? I'm sorry, but unless I see some proof of him being able to survive for eternity if he is angry enough, I'll say he can't.

Originally posted by Accel

Well, no one has been shown in a comic to fight for eternity (although I belive Superman was hson on panel at one to actually survive all the way to the end of time). I mean, even Juggernaut wasn't around during those 'The End' stories Marvel published before.

That's not really an answer to what I was asking, just a clever dodge. 😛

Originally posted by Accel
It's stated in the Official Hulk Handbook that he has unlimited stamina. you'll also notice that he never tires during a fight; he just gets stronger.

Well, no one has been shown in a comic to fight for eternity (although I belive Superman was hson on panel at one to actually survive all the way to the end of time). I mean, even Juggernaut wasn't around during those 'The End' stories Marvel published before.

I just posted the info from Marvel.com which post word for word from official Marvel handbooks, and it didn't say anything about Unlimited durability or stamina. So please post where you get your info please.

Originally posted by batdude123
That's not really an answer to what I was asking, just a clever dodge. 😛

All I can say is this: Hulk never tires during a battle. As long as he's angry (and he will be as long as he's fighting Cain) he'll keep on coming.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
I just posted the info from Marvel.com which post word for word from official Marvel handbooks, and it didn't say anything about Unlimited durability or stamina. So please post where you get your info please.

Originally posted by Accel
Sorry, but I can't provve something that easily when it hasn't even happened.

All I can say is this: Hulk never tires during a battle. As long as he's angry (and he will be as long as he's fighting Cain) he'll keep on coming.

Yes, but there has to be a limit to how long he can survive in his Hulk state. Would his gamma radiation even last forever?

Originally posted by Accel
Sorry, but I can't provve something that easily when it hasn't even happened.

All I can say is this: Hulk never tires during a battle. As long as he's angry (and he will be as long as he's fighting Cain) he'll keep on coming.

About 30 pages ago Dinilflos posted a scan of Hulk fighting his shadow. The Hulk was tired and he collapsed, and he was only fighting for a day. Is this PIS to?

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes, but there has to be a limit to how long he can survive in his Hulk state. Would his gamma radiation even last forever?

Originally posted by Accel
Hulk doesn't have to turn into Banner for any specific reason, so yes.

Namor hit Hulk so hard he reverted back to Banner, and SS has reverted Hulk to banner numerous times.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
About 30 pages ago Dinilflos posted a scan of Hulk fighting his shadow. The Hulk was tired and he collapsed, and he was only fighting for a day. Is this PIS to?

I can safely say though, that hulk has shown he can go for weeks without rest or even pause, so him getting tired after a day DOES contradict his more consistent showings.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Namor hit Hulk so hard he reverted back to Banner, and SS has reverted Hulk to banner numerous times.

Originally posted by Accel
I don't know the whole context of the scenario, so I can't comment on it really.

I can safely say though, that hulk has shown he can go for weeks without rest or even pause, so him getting tired after a day DOES contradict his more consistent showings.

Everytime we give proof you give some excuse.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Everytime we give proof you give some excuse.

Originally posted by Accel
Sorry, but I can't provve something that easily when it hasn't even happened.

All I can say is this: Hulk never tires during a battle. As long as he's angry (and he will be as long as he's fighting Cain) he'll keep on coming.

I asked Cosmic Cube to provide me proof early, he said he was going to give me a scan of the official handbook and never did, i asked him again, he dodge the question and gave me a "Theory" About how hulk has Unlimited Stamina.

Theory don't matter here, I don't care what you or CC think, if you guys don't provide proof, I don't wanna here anything else you have to say.

Everything We have posted about Juggernaut, we did not make up, its fact, no Theory, because at least we, understand Theory don't belong here. SO I will ask again, Provide me Proof that Hulks Stamina, NOT DURABILITY, but Stamina is Unlimited. PLEASE!!!!!

Originally posted by Accel
It's about as much 'proof' as Juggernaut getting b!tchslapped by Venom and getting stuck in cement.

Whats the excuse? Juggernaut walked in some cement, and he walked away from a fight with Venom because of a girl. Both situations were clearly show and stated in the comics that they happened in.

No matter how much proof I give you, you always have an excuse.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Whats the excuse? Juggernaut walked in some cement, and he walked away from a fight with Venom because of a girl. Both situations were clearly show and stated in the comics that they happened in.

No matter how much proof I give you, you always have an excuse.

This is the point I'm getting at: both of these scenarios clearly go against Cain's more consistent showings as well, so are we to just accept them as proof any way that Cain isn't as invincible a he makes himself out to be? Are we to use the fact that he's not around in the 'The End' stories (implying he's DEAD) as proof that he's not immortal?

Originally posted by Accel
He was stuck in the cement and he was scared of Venom (notice how he says, "I'm outta here, I'm not getting paid enough to put up with this!"😉

This is the point I'm getting at: both of these scenarios clearly go against Cain's more consistent showings as well, so are we to just accept them as proof any way that Cain isn't as invincible a he makes himself out to be? Are we to use the fact that he's not around in the 'The End' stories (implying he's DEAD) as proof that he's not immortal?

What does WALKING in cement have to do with being physically beaten or ko'd? just because Hulk gets ko'd by Spiderman that doesn't mean Juggernaut did.

What does a girl telling Cain to stop fighting have to do with Cain being physically ko'd?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
What does WALKING in cement have to do with being physically beaten or ko'd? just because Hulk gets ko'd by Spiderman that doesn't mean Juggernaut did.

What does a girl telling Cain to stop fighting have to do with Cain being physically ko'd?

Heck, there other times where the "Unstoppable" Juggernaut is stopped (Hulk stopping his charge TWICE in their first encounter, Thing tripping him, Venom backhanding him AND stopping him, the cement, etc).

Originally posted by Accel
I never said he was K.O.ed, but he WAS stopped by the cement and he runs from Venom because of... well... Venom. He clearly didn't care the girl wanted him to stop.

Heck, there other times where the "Unstoppable" Juggernaut is stopped (Hulk stopping his charge TWICE in their first encounter, Thing tripping him, Venom backhanding him AND stopping him, the cement, etc).

Stop bringing up old points, where is his Ulimited Stamina???