Originally posted by Accel
His strength isn't so great that he can simply throw Hulk at Mach speeds. This is more than just dealing with Hulk's weight.If Cain doesn't need Cyttorak, then why couldn't he lift more than Colossus recently? Classic Juggernaut had his power because Cyttorak gave it to him. When he stopped doing so, Cain couldn't get any stronger.
I don't think I've ever seen Thing fail to lift any thing either. Does that mean he also has unlimited strength?
No no, sorry. You misunderstood me. Because he was already endowed with Cyttorak's power, he could do anything he wanted strength-wise. Juggy is the avatar of strength. He posseses unlimited strength.
Now that Cyttorak has stripped him of most of the power, this ability of his is no longer at his disposal.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
No no, sorry. You misunderstood me. Because he was already endowed with Cyttorak's power, he could do anything he wanted strength-wise. Juggy is the avatar of strength. He posseses unlimited strength.Now that Cyttorak has stripped him of most of the power, this ability of his is no longer at his disposal.
Any how, I still see this as a stalemate.
Hmmm, what if Hulk uses his Earthquake Stomp at the bell, and continues making it nearly impossible for Juggernaut to keep his balance? He won't be stopped, but he will be quite shaken and unable to fight effectively.
Current Hulk isn't that Dumb, and he knows Juggernauts powers. Bloodlusted he won't be holding back anymore than Cain does, which isn't typical for Hulk.
Juggs goes for the Quick KO and gets shaken down, has the ground ripped out from under him/tilted/shaken, and Hulk can and will use the surrounding terrain as missile weaponry. Hulk is too canny to go down to Juggernaut just charging at him.
Originally posted by Dalak
Hmmm, what if Hulk uses his Earthquake Stomp at the bell, and continues making it nearly impossible for Juggernaut to keep his balance? He won't be stopped, but he will be quite shaken and unable to fight effectively.Current Hulk isn't that Dumb, and he knows Juggernauts powers. Bloodlusted he won't be holding back anymore than Cain does, which isn't typical for Hulk.
Juggs goes for the Quick KO and gets shaken down, has the ground ripped out from under him/tilted/shaken, and Hulk can and will use the surrounding terrain as missile weaponry. Hulk is too canny to go down to Juggernaut just charging at him.
What if Juggernaut Earthquake Stomps first, or does a sonic clap, or just jumps at Hulk, Juggernaut can do these things to. He has showed some pretty impressive leaping ability, not on par with Hulk, but Impressive for a big man none the less.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
What if Juggernaut Earthquake Stomps first, or does a sonic clap, or just jumps at Hulk, Juggernaut can do these things to. He has showed some pretty impressive leaping ability, not on par with Hulk, but Impressive for a big man none the less.
And you've proven my point for me, it's not going to go down that easily or quickly.
Juggs isn't going to go over there and KO him just like Hulk's not going to keep Juggs off his feet 100% of the fight. Both of these heavyweights aren't dumb fighters and both are as likely to throw/punch the other into space. Ignoring that 50% chance for either victory Hulk has another route for BFR. And I still haven't seen proof of an Unaided and Unboosted Classic Juggs making it back to this dimension.
Oh.
1) Hulk withstands his own Sonic Clap from Point Blank Range time and time again, it's shown as a total effect more than Shaped
2) Hulk can burrow when fallen in a crack and recover from being tumbled faster than Cain
3) Hulk can smack and redirect Cain's trajectory just like Cain smacked a jumping War Hulk.
This fight isn't ending quick for either side.
Originally posted by badabing
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Originally posted by Dalak
And you've proven my point for me, it's not going to go down that easily or quickly.Juggs isn't going to go over there and KO him just like Hulk's not going to keep Juggs off his feet 100% of the fight. Both of these heavyweights aren't dumb fighters and both are as likely to throw/punch the other into space. Ignoring that 50% chance for either victory Hulk has another route for BFR. And I still haven't seen proof of an Unaided and Unboosted Classic Juggs making it back to this dimension.
Oh.
1) Hulk withstands his own Sonic Clap from Point Blank Range time and time again, it's shown as a total effect more than Shaped
2) Hulk can burrow when fallen in a crack and recover from being tumbled faster than Cain
3) Hulk can smack and redirect Cain's trajectory just like Cain smacked a jumping War Hulk.
This fight isn't ending quick for either side.
I have a question about that time storm image, honestly I just looked at it, Hulk was thrown into the Time Storm if Im correct right. It seems like someone wanted him to destroy or mess up time.
My problem lies in the fact that Hulk did not create the time storm himself, it was always there, now he did punch Through, it seems, but at the same time, he had to be transported to where the Time storm was. Unless there is an image of him Punching through earth's reality to where the time storm was, it seems to me he was put there, then Messed with the time-space continuum. If thats the case, you could say Gladiator or Superman could perform this feat also, since they are capable of Juggling Planets. Juggernaut could even do it also since he is the Avatar of Physical Strength.
And what I mean by punching through Reality I mean when Trion Juggernaut was Tearing Apart Dimensions with his bare fist, you saw reality bending, and him actually ripping a hole into reality itself.
Im not saying Hulk could never do this, but how much Rage would it take, it seems like somebody had to talk Trash to Hulk in order to get him to Punch through the Storm, I haven't seen Hulk Punch Through Reality on a Regular Basis you know.
Alright. I concede. For the purposes of this fight, it would be a stalemate.
I do, however, believe that if this fight was to last over a few decades, perhaps even over one hundred years, then Juggy would EVENTUALLY win. He'd still be springtime fresh, while Hulk (even with his healing factor and gamma-produced stamina) would EVENTUALLY have nothing left to give.
But, since I guess we're not using the dozens-of-years-long-fight theory...Stalemate.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Alright. I concede. For the purposes of this fight, it would be a stalemate.I do, however, believe that if this fight was to last over a few decades, perhaps even over one hundred years, then Juggy would EVENTUALLY win. He'd still be springtime fresh, while Hulk (even with his healing factor and gamma-produced stamina) would EVENTUALLY have nothing left to give.
But, since I guess we're not using the dozens-of-years-long-fight theory...Stalemate.
Why would it be a stalemate, the Hulk fans already agreed it is possible for Juggernaut to KO hulk at the beggining of the fight. Juggernaut could also BFR Hulk into Space.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Im not saying Hulk could never do this, but how much Rage would it take, it seems like somebody had to talk Trash to Hulk in order to get him to Punch through the Storm, I haven't seen Hulk Punch Through Reality on a Regular Basis you know.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Alright. I concede. For the purposes of this fight, it would be a stalemate.I do, however, believe that if this fight was to last over a few decades, perhaps even over one hundred years, then Juggy would EVENTUALLY win. He'd still be springtime fresh, while Hulk (even with his healing factor and gamma-produced stamina) would EVENTUALLY have nothing left to give.
But, since I guess we're not using the dozens-of-years-long-fight theory...Stalemate.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Why would it be a stalemate, the Hulk fans already agreed it is possible for Juggernaut to KO hulk at the beggining of the fight. Juggernaut could also BFR Hulk into Space.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Why would it be a stalemate, the Hulk fans already agreed it is possible for Juggernaut to KO hulk at the beggining of the fight. Juggernaut could also BFR Hulk into Space.
As much I want to give it to Juggernaut, AK, the Hulk really can do the same thing (BFR, I mean) to Juggernaut the same way Juggy can do it to him.
And honestly, that's one of the few ways this fight will end (one of two ways, at least). The other is a very, ruthless KO. Sure, it's possible. Just EXTREMELY hard to do against Hulk. But sure, it is possible. I mean, Namor did it in one hit. Just one. Juggernaut could very plausibly do the exact same thing.
Gah. I keep changing my mind when I think about it more, haha.
Juggernaut 5.5/10.
Originally posted by blind faith
I'm gonna say Hulk just for the simple reason that Thor has already shown that with enough power Juggernaut CAN be pushed back.And the Hulk has no strength limit. The madder the Hulk gets the stronger the Hulk gets.
It would be a cool fight though.
When did Thor push Juggernaut back with brute strength?
And Juggernaut's strength is limitless as well.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
When did Thor push Juggernaut back with brute strength?And Juggernaut's strength is limitless as well.
Trion Juggernaut has unlimited strength. How can classic Juggernaut have unlimited strength if he's only at 35% of Cyttorak's power? 35% equals 100%? Yeah, some Juggernaut fans say he's able to increase his strength through focus, but I still haven't seen any evidence of that. However, I'm not gonna be a ***** about it. If I see some substantial evidence, I will accept it without making a sound.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Trion Juggernaut has unlimited strength. How can classic Juggernaut have unlimited strength if he's only at 35% of Cyttorak's power? 35% equals 100%? Yeah, some Juggernaut fans say he's able to increase his strength through focus, but I still haven't seen any evidence of that. However, I'm not gonna be a ***** about it. If I see some substantial evidence, I will accept it without making a sound.
I never said anything about focus. And where did you get that percentage from?
I just said that Juggy has unlimted strength that depends on what he needs it for. He can easily tango with the Hulk's and Sasquatch's ever-increasing strength, Thor's God-like strength, and the combined strength of Colossus and Thing's strength. His strength basically applies to his situation. When he needs to be stronger, he gets stronger. Like I said before, I have never seen anything Juggy couldn't break/lift when he wanted to.