Originally posted by Dinalfos
Trion Juggernaut has unlimited strength. How can classic Juggernaut have unlimited strength if he's only at 35% of Cyttorak's power? 35% equals 100%? Yeah, some Juggernaut fans say he's able to increase his strength through focus, but I still haven't seen any evidence of that. However, I'm not gonna be a ***** about it. If I see some substantial evidence, I will accept it without making a sound.
Juggernauts entire career has been nothing but an unstoppable Street Criminal, I don't think you need much focus to do that, if you are still unstoppable at only 35% power.
Juggernaut, during the 8th day saga, was being called for his true purpose, he didn't receive a power-up. He just became more focused on the task at hand, along with the other exemplars. Every other Exemplar was an Avatar of Something, all endowed by their gods to have unlimited of what they were representing. Why is it so hard to believe Juggernauts Strength is Unlimited.
Originally posted by blind faith
Thor #411-412 I believe.
Was that when Thor hit Juggernaut with a few shots from his hammer, and Juggernaut took a step back?
Man, Just because Juggernaut took a step back doesnt mean he was stopped, he wasnt even moving foward. Juggernaut can be smacked around, I dont see why people forget that.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Juggernauts entire career has been nothing but an unstoppable Street Criminal, I don't think you need much focus to do that, if you are still unstoppable at only 35% power.Juggernaut, during the 8th day saga, was being called for his true purpose, he didn't receive a power-up. He just became more focused on the task at hand, along with the other exemplars. Every other Exemplar was an Avatar of Something, all endowed by their gods to have unlimited of what they were representing. Why is it so hard to believe Juggernauts Strength is Unlimited.
You mean semi-unstoppable.
Juggernaut himself said that "something" was making him more powerful after the call.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
I never said anything about focus. And where did you get that percentage from?I just said that Juggy has unlimted strength that depends on what he needs it for. He can easily tango with the Hulk's and Sasquatch's ever-increasing strength, Thor's God-like strength, and the combined strength of Colossus and Thing's strength. His strength basically applies to his situation. When he needs to be stronger, he gets stronger. Like I said before, I have never seen anything Juggy couldn't break/lift when he wanted to.
Oh yes, he can tangle with them. But mostly because of his complete invulernability.
As someone else pointed out, Thing has also never really failed to lift anything. I'm not gonna say his strength is anything less than spectacular, but it isn't even HALF as clear/established as Hulk's strength.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
Oh yes, he can tangle with them. But mostly because of his complete invulernability.As someone else pointed out, Thing has also never really failed to lift anything. I'm not gonna say his strength is anything less than spectacular, but it isn't even HALF as clear/established as Hulk's strength.
Is that true? There's never been anything Thing couldn't lift? Or someone stronger than forced him in the other direction against his own will? Because if his strength was limitless, he would be able to continue battling the Hulk. But, because it's not, he can keep up with the Hulk's ever-increaseing strength.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Is that true? There's never been anything Thing couldn't lift? Or someone stronger than forced him in the other direction against his own will? Because if his strength was limitless, he would be able to continue battling the Hulk. But, because it's not, he can keep up with the Hulk's ever-increaseing strength.
I never said Ben's strength was limitless. I said he never failed to lift anything under normal conditions. Well, not that I know of.
Is Juggernaut's unstoppability due to his strength alone? I don't think so. Gladiator has pushed him back(although I'm not sure if this was full powerd Classic Juggernaut or not), War Hulk could've done it.
Originally posted by DinalfosCorrection he says something is calling me and for the first time I feel like I can really cut loose on people. There are other times Cain has demonstrated teh ability to do things he shouldn't based soey on Focus alone.
You mean semi-unstoppable.Juggernaut himself said that "something" was making him more powerful after the call.
Oh yes, he can tangle with them. But mostly because of his complete invulernability.But then again Thing also in turn often states that he is weaker ythan the Hulk and there are also scans of him struggling with weight like Wonderman's Dumbell.As someone else pointed out, Thing has also never really failed to lift anything. I'm not gonna say his strength is anything less than spectacular, but it isn't even HALF as clear/established as Hulk's strength.
The point being made is when Cain needs to move push or get something out of his weigh he has never really had something thats tested this ability.
Originally posted by newjak86
Correction he says something is calling me and for the first time I feel like I can really cut loose on people. There are other times Cain has demonstrated teh ability to do things he shouldn't based soey on Focus alone.
That suggests that the calling did something to him. He shouldn't FEEL like he can cut loose. He should know it. Again, I really don't want to be a dick about this. Show me, and I will consider it for teh next battle. Well, if it's decent, substantial, non-subjective evidence, that is.
[/b] But then again Thing also in turn often states that he is weaker ythan the Hulk and there are also scans of him struggling with weight like Wonderman's Dumbell.The point being made is when Cain needs to move push or get something out of his weigh he has never really had something thats tested this ability. [/B]
Sure, but I was trying to make a point. You can substitute the Thing for any other class 100 powerhouse.
And I know Juggernaut has never been truly tested, but that's an entirely different matter. The reason people doubt his strength is because he isn't known for it. Aside from the occasional writer and Juggernaut's supporters, most people don't really see him as THAT strong. That's because of Marvel. IF his strength was truly unlimited(which it might prove to be in the future, I'll give you that), then wouldn't he be known for it?
Originally posted by Apolloknight
I have a question about that time storm image, honestly I just looked at it, Hulk was thrown into the Time Storm if Im correct right. It seems like someone wanted him to destroy or mess up time.My problem lies in the fact that Hulk did not create the time storm himself, it was always there, now he did punch Through, it seems, but at the same time, he had to be transported to where the Time storm was. Unless there is an image of him Punching through earth's reality to where the time storm was, it seems to me he was put there, then Messed with the time-space continuum. If thats the case, you could say Gladiator or Superman could perform this feat also, since they are capable of Juggling Planets. Juggernaut could even do it also since he is the Avatar of Physical Strength.
And what I mean by punching through Reality I mean when Trion Juggernaut was Tearing Apart Dimensions with his bare fist, you saw reality bending, and him actually ripping a hole into reality itself.
Im not saying Hulk could never do this, but how much Rage would it take, it seems like somebody had to talk Trash to Hulk in order to get him to Punch through the Storm, I haven't seen Hulk Punch Through Reality on a Regular Basis you know.
Not much Trash Talk, more just confusing words and then throwing Hulk into a Time Storm. Kang gave him a reason to fight through the Time Storm however, which he did.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
Why would it be a stalemate, the Hulk fans already agreed it is possible for Juggernaut to KO hulk at the beggining of the fight. Juggernaut could also BFR Hulk into Space.
Because Hulk is just as likely to throw Juggs into orbit as Juggs is to throw Hulk. That's a 50% chance of Victory I mentioned earlier, because either can do it if they catch the other off guard.
Originally posted by DinalfosOnce agian though he never really battles cutting loose the way people say. The way it seems is that something has stopped him from playing around not that he he was powered up. I can show you some more instances but I have to wait till after this match like I said but they are there where Cain draws on more power to do something.
That suggests that the calling did something to him. He shouldn't FEEL like he can cut loose. He should know it. Again, I really don't want to be a dick about this. Show me, and I will consider it for teh next battle. Well, if it's decent, substantial, non-subjective evidence, that is.
Sure, but I was trying to make a point. You can substitute the Thing for any other class 100 powerhouse.Yeah you can but then again all those people have been tested as well. The reason Cain doesn't have any lifting feat is because he doesn't need them to show what he is. He was designed to be a force to push heros to the max not someone who goes around lifting things.And I know Juggernaut has never been truly tested, but that's an entirely different matter. The reason people doubt his strength is because he isn't known for it. Aside from the occasional writer and Juggernaut's supporters, most people don't really see him as THAT strong. That's because of Marvel. IF his strength was truly unlimited(which it might prove to be in the future, I'll give you that), then wouldn't he be known for it?
There are many characters like that Darkseid, Orion, Silver Surfer do you doubt how strong those guys are no becasue A) they all fight against people that are really stronge. same thing with Cain he fights the likes of Hulk and Thor and even then he never really seems to be fully tested he never seems to really be trying.
Originally posted by newjak86
Once agian though he never really battles cutting loose the way people say. The way it seems is that something has stopped him from playing around not that he he was powered up. I can show you some more instances but I have to wait till after this match like I said but they are there where Cain draws on more power to do something.Yeah you can but then again all those people have been tested as well. The reason Cain doesn't have any lifting feat is because he doesn't need them to show what he is. He was designed to be a force to push heros to the max not someone who goes around lifting things.
There are many characters like that Darkseid, Orion, Silver Surfer do you doubt how strong those guys are no becasue A) they all fight against people that are really stronge. same thing with Cain he fights the likes of Hulk and Thor and even then he never really seems to be fully tested he never seems to really be trying.
I'd like to see that proof as well.
And no one is saying that Cain is weak, but that doesn't mean he has Unlimited Strength.
Gladiator's powers are repeatedly stated to be tied to his
Confidence.
Darkseid draws directly from the Destructive aspect of the Source if I remember right, he draws what he needs unlike Cytorrak who gives Cain some energy, and then more later when it's time for him to serve his purpose.
Silver Surfer has access to the Power Cosmic, which can be drawn from nearly everything. Again, he's one who can consciously draw more without others being in control of that.
If Juggs could draw on as much of Cytorrak's power as he wished he'd be Trion 24/7.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
That suggests that the calling did something to him. He shouldn't FEEL like he can cut loose. He should know it. Again, I really don't want to be a dick about this. Show me, and I will consider it for teh next battle. Well, if it's decent, substantial, non-subjective evidence, that is.Sure, but I was trying to make a point. You can substitute the Thing for any other class 100 powerhouse.
And I know Juggernaut has never been truly tested, but that's an entirely different matter. The reason people doubt his strength is because he isn't known for it. Aside from the occasional writer and Juggernaut's supporters, most people don't really see him as THAT strong. That's because of Marvel. IF his strength was truly unlimited(which it might prove to be in the future, I'll give you that), then wouldn't he be known for it?
He is known for KO'ing thing in 3 punches, Someone who Hulk has trouble with, KO'ing the stranger in one blow, Another person who Hulk Battles, manhandling Colussus, Flicking gambit accross the ocean, KO'ed the X-men with a sonic clap etic.
Originally posted by newjak86
There are many characters like that Darkseid, Orion, Silver Surfer do you doubt how strong those guys are no becasue A) they all fight against people that are really stronge. same thing with Cain he fights the likes of Hulk and Thor and even then he never really seems to be fully tested he never seems to really be trying.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
He is known for KO'ing thing in 3 punches, Someone who Hulk has trouble with, KO'ing the stranger in one blow, Another person who Hulk Battles, manhandling Colussus, Flicking gambit accross the ocean, KO'ed the X-men with a sonic clap etic.
Originally posted by Dalak
I'd like to see that proof as well.And no one is saying that Cain is weak, but that doesn't mean he has Unlimited Strength.
Gladiator's powers are repeatedly stated to be tied to his
Confidence.Darkseid draws directly from the Destructive aspect of the Source if I remember right, he draws what he needs unlike Cytorrak who gives Cain some energy, and then more later when it's time for him to serve his purpose.
Silver Surfer has access to the Power Cosmic, which can be drawn from nearly everything. Again, he's one who can consciously draw more without others being in control of that.
If Juggs could draw on as much of Cytorrak's power as he wished he'd be Trion 24/7.
Not really, Trion was a dark god if I recall correctly, he was possesed.
Originally posted by Dalak
Because Hulk is just as likely to throw Juggs into orbit as Juggs is to throw Hulk. That's a 50% chance of Victory I mentioned earlier, because either can do it if they catch the other off guard.
Hulk can Knock Juggernaut to Pluto, he would still return to earth under his own power, and the rules state if a combantant can return the the battllefield under his own power, the fight is not over.
