Originally posted by juggernaut66666
so you say that the void is farmore stronger then juggernaut
Not to mention it attacked a Hulk who severely pussified due to the Sentry.
Originally posted by Accel
The Void punked every single hero on the planet, including Dr. Strange, and was more powerful inside the Negative Zone, so yes.Not to mention it attacked a Hulk who severely pussified due to the Sentry.
Agreed, and supposedly Sentry punked Galactus and Void = Sentry. I'd say that's a far sight better than Juggs could hope for without going Trion.
Originally posted by DalakDropped on my back from ten feet 50 pounds I've had 95 dropped on my back from about 2 feet and I was fine tough question though about 50 from ten.
So you say that I can drop a 500 pound wieght on your back and you can stand it without falling down.From how many feet?
1, 2, 10, 20?
In this scenario a 2 mile tall mountain is falling from a height of around 2 miles. Well that can't be duplicated by us which is why I originally said 50 lbs from 10 feet.
Oh and where are you located, in case you'd like to test this theory of yours. I'm in central Texas.
The point is that it isn't really a lifting feat being performed but a durability. Basically all Hulk did was brace his body for the impact of the mountain and used his tensed Muscles to brace the weight it isn't really a strength feat as it more ior less was the fact that his muscles and body didn't break then him actually using strength to counter not saying he didn't use any but it really isn't a pure strength feat.
Originally posted by newjak86
Dropped on my back from ten feet 50 pounds I've had 95 dropped on my back from about 2 feet and I was fine tough question though about 50 from ten.The point is that it isn't really a lifting feat being performed but a durability. Basically all Hulk did was brace his body for the impact of the mountain and used his tensed Muscles to brace the weight it isn't really a strength feat as it more ior less was the fact that his muscles and body didn't break then him actually using strength to counter not saying he didn't use any but it really isn't a pure strength feat.
I agree that it isn't a purely Strength feat, I have said earlier that it's a good Durability feat for Hulk as well.
But I'd have to say catching a 50 pound duffle across your sholders/back fron 10 feet and not staggering or anything would be more impressive than lifting it.
I'd like to note that I have never said that simply bracing something is harder than lifting it.
Originally posted by DalakI told I've alreadt taken 95 at about two feet it was harder lifting it up to that two feet over my head than actually catching it.
I agree that it isn't a purely Strength feat, I have said earlier that it's a good Durability feat for Hulk as well.But I'd have to say catching a 50 pound duffle across your sholders/back fron 10 feet and not staggering or anything would be more impressive than lifting it.
I'd like to note that I have never said that simply bracing something is harder than lifting it.
Originally posted by newjak86
I told I've alreadt taken 95 at about two feet it was harder lifting it up to that two feet over my head than actually catching it.
2 feet is hardly enough to pick up any speed, 10 feet gives it enough time to build up some. Not high enough to be excessive though, since the object in question was only about it's height above them, but when you are talking about 2 mile measurements . . . .
the champion
none of the above, the physically strongest, most invulnerable being in the universe is "champion of the universe" he possesses unlimited strength which far surpasses the likes of hulk, thor, adam warlock, surfer, beta ray bill, gladiator, etc of which he has beaten.......in one of his fights he once destroyed an entire planet with the force generated by a single punch.....no other being can do this from sheer force alone! let alone hulk and jug
This debate is becoming pointless, and honestly, its starting to bore me. There is no way Hulk can win, yet even Hulk fans say its possible for Juggernaut to KO hulk quickly, and Hulk has been KO'ed before, but they argue a stalemate, when Juggernaut has proven he has the strength to One-shot or manhandle many of marvels more powerful characters.
Meh, I think Im done for awhile, I'll check up on this Thread and continue to read it every now and then, but until stuff stops getting recycled, and somebody brings some hardcore evidence that Hulk can fight forever, Im done.
Originally posted by AccelNot that it matters. Cain drawing more power from Cyttorak would count as outside help. It'd be like Surfer drawing more power from Galactus in a fight against Superman or something. [/B]
Except even as far back as Hulk #4xx (way before Onslaught & 8th Day) that was listed as Juggernaut's power source by the editor in response to a question. He said that Juggernaut could draw on Cytorrak's limitless power to increase his strength. That's how they can match each other in strength. (<- anything he's ever done 8th Day, Trion is still possible but its bad form to punch through dimensions in the middle of a brawl 😉)
Hulk gets extra mass/strength from another dimension. Its just that with Juggernaut we know its the Crimson Cosmos.
Originally posted by partiallyinsane
Question: How do we know that Cytorrak has infinite power. An extreme amount of power, sure, but infinite?Juggernaut was beaten by Onslaught...was he depowered slightly at the time, because if he was not than I'd say Hulk definitely has more of a chance than we're giving him here.
An Onslaught before he had a physical form. Just a mass of psychic
energy. FWIW: Pre & Post Siege Perilous Psylocke have been able to penetrate his helmet. It gives high resistance to most tp attacks.
Also, I've seen the phrase 'everytime they've fought...' but hasn't it only been, what...4 times? #172, twice in the 40x's, and then War vs 'naut?
Originally posted by TheDecider
ugg hulk is winning again. Im sure i was a hulk fan boy who voted it. Either you should vote Juggernaut or nothing for a stalemate because those are the only possible outcomes of this fight. Been proved more than enough times where you can randomely go to a page and you shoulda see it.
Originally posted by galan7777777
none of the above, the physically strongest, most invulnerable being in the universe is "champion of the universe" he possesses unlimited strength which far surpasses the likes of hulk, thor, adam warlock, surfer, beta ray bill, gladiator, etc of which he has beaten.......in one of his fights he once destroyed an entire planet with the force generated by a single punch.....no other being can do this from sheer force alone! let alone hulk and jug
Originally posted by Apolloknight
This debate is becoming pointless, and honestly, its starting to bore me. There is no way Hulk can win, yet even Hulk fans say its possible for Juggernaut to KO hulk quickly, and Hulk has been KO'ed before, but they argue a stalemate, when Juggernaut has proven he has the strength to One-shot or manhandle many of marvels more powerful characters.Meh, I think Im done for awhile, I'll check up on this Thread and continue to read it every now and then, but until stuff stops getting recycled, and somebody brings some hardcore evidence that Hulk can fight forever, Im done.
Originally posted by lft4ded
Except even as far back as Hulk #4xx (way before Onslaught & 8th Day) that was listed as Juggernaut's power source by the editor in response to a question. He said that Juggernaut could draw on Cytorrak's limitless power to increase his strength. That's how they can match each other in strength. (<- anything he's ever done 8th Day, Trion is still possible but its bad form to punch through dimensions in the middle of a brawl 😉)Hulk gets extra mass/strength from another dimension. Its just that with Juggernaut we know its the Crimson Cosmos.
Every post that shows Hulk fighting for days or weeks or months also says he is growing tired. That shows he is fatigueing slowly yes, but still fatigueing. Eventually he will grow tired. lft4ded has a good point that it is not outside help if he calls for more power because it is in his powerset. Just like hulk getting more strength from another dimension by getting angry isnt getting help. So potentially Juggernaut could become as powerful as trion and then easily win the fight.
