Originally posted by Soujaboy
Thats like saying what Stan lee says = opinion
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But it kinda is. Stan's sweet, but he hasn't written anything seriously for years. We're probably more versed in certain characters' canon than he is.
The minute other writers took over, the characters became public property. I wouldn't willingly disagree with Stan, but at this point his is just a very valued opinion, not the comic book equivalent of Gospel.
Ok I decided to come back after thinking for a while.
1. I say Juggernaut can increase strength through focus/will and you argue i dont have enough proof. I say i do and i realized i do its just that I piece the information together using logic. You refuse to use logic in that situation and do not piece the information together. "Gee maybe since Juggernaut always has the strength to do what he wants, even trion getting through to the trion dimension, maybe its because he gains the strength when he needs it."
2. When i said Hulk cannot fight for an eternity on adreniline, you say he can and show small feats of a maximum time of a few months. Now since i have a brain and logic i pieced to together to say maybe he can last forever. Even though it is never stated he can last an eternity.
3. I could have just used your logic to say "lack of proof" and say hulk dies of exaustion. So now i ask you hulk fans to use logic and realize that Juggernaut can increase strength through focus, otherwise the theory that Hulk dies of exaustion is still plausible because i will just use "Hulk" logic back on you.
4. Since this is bloodlust, both characters use what they have. Juggernaut uses his momentum sapping shield and when hulk comes in for a punch he is completely stopped. This gives Juggernaut an option of landing a solid punch to his face
5. When a boxer is hit with a good punch he becomes dazed and that is when the other boxer realizes its time to go all out. The first boxer can only defend and cannot even realize what is happening and eventually gets Koed in that position. I have seen this happen many times and basically it could happen to the Hulk when Juggernauts shield allows him to land a solid punch that rocks the Hulk. He cannot do anything because he would be dazed.
6. POSSIBLE ways juggernaut can win- BFR(uses shield to stop hulk then has time to get a good grip on him and toss him), Early KO, Later Ko after increasing strength enough to beat hulk.
I repeat these are POSSIBLE ways. Even if it is unlikely that they can happen, it is still plausible giving Juggernaut a slim majority.
just saying hulk isnt invincible.
why is this thread still going?
first of all juggs is above hulks base strength.
juggs is more durible. and hulk doesnt becum so durible that he cant get hurt in the time its going to take to tee off on hulk.
personly, i think juggs takes it 6/10, but you guys wont even accept one win, so heres how it goes.
so we know hulk becums more durible, with anger, he becums stronger too. ok sure.
we know hulk has tooken some shots by thor, to little to no effect. yes, here now think of something. what was he when he took those shots?
mindless, now how long does it take to becum mindless?
a long f*cking time!!
and he started the fight as mindless, and what does he start as in this fight? normal, thats right!!
now lets look at a strength feat for juggs.
knocking stranger down with one hit, and looking like he koed him.
stranger was out, sure he got up, but he was rocked.
and that feat also showed his jumping ability.
juggs strength, matters in this fight, hulks unfortunlatly does not.
sure he can throw him around, but he not taking some serious shots by juggs. how many people have duked it out with hulk?
and saying juggs couldnt is either:
a) fantoyish.
b) underating.
hell rhino has hurt hulk, but juggs cant?!!?!?
so unless you can prove, hulk cant be koed, or hurt when hes enraged, this arguement is over!
im using this until someone responds.
Originally posted by bigbran
just saying hulk isnt invincible.
why is this thread still going?
first of all juggs is above hulks base strength.
juggs is more durible. and hulk doesnt becum so durible that he cant get hurt in the time its going to take to tee off on hulk.personly, i think juggs takes it 6/10, but you guys wont even accept one win, so heres how it goes.
so we know hulk becums more durible, with anger, he becums stronger too. ok sure.
we know hulk has tooken some shots by thor, to little to no effect. yes, here now think of something. what was he when he took those shots?
mindless, now how long does it take to becum mindless?
a long f*cking time!!
and he started the fight as mindless, and what does he start as in this fight? normal, thats right!!
now lets look at a strength feat for juggs.
knocking stranger down with one hit, and looking like he koed him.
stranger was out, sure he got up, but he was rocked.
and that feat also showed his jumping ability.
juggs strength, matters in this fight, hulks unfortunlatly does not.
sure he can throw him around, but he not taking some serious shots by juggs. how many people have duked it out with hulk?
and saying juggs couldnt is either:a) fantoyish.
b) underating.hell rhino has hurt hulk, but juggs cant?!!?!?
so unless you can prove, hulk cant be koed, or hurt when hes enraged, this arguement is over!
im using this until someone responds.
Go check out the Hulk vs heavy hitter thread, it's a classic.
Ok I decided to come back after thinking for a while.
1. I say Juggernaut can increase strength through focus/will and you argue i dont have enough proof. I say i do and i realized i do its just that I piece the information together using logic. You refuse to use logic in that situation and do not piece the information together. "Gee maybe since Juggernaut always has the strength to do what he wants, even trion getting through to the trion dimension, maybe its because he gains the strength when he needs it."
2. When i said Hulk cannot fight for an eternity on adreniline, you say he can and show small feats of a maximum time of a few months. Now since i have a brain and logic i pieced to together to say maybe he can last forever. Even though it is never stated he can last an eternity.
3. I could have just used your logic to say "lack of proof" and say hulk dies of exaustion. So now i ask you hulk fans to use logic and realize that Juggernaut can increase strength through focus, otherwise the theory that Hulk dies of exaustion is still plausible because i will just use "Hulk" logic back on you.
4. Since this is bloodlust, both characters use what they have. Juggernaut uses his momentum sapping shield and when hulk comes in for a punch he is completely stopped. This gives Juggernaut an option of landing a solid punch to his face
5. When a boxer is hit with a good punch he becomes dazed and that is when the other boxer realizes its time to go all out. The first boxer can only defend and cannot even realize what is happening and eventually gets Koed in that position. I have seen this happen many times and basically it could happen to the Hulk when Juggernauts shield allows him to land a solid punch that rocks the Hulk. He cannot do anything because he would be dazed.
6. POSSIBLE ways juggernaut can win- BFR(uses shield to stop hulk then has time to get a good grip on him and toss him), Early KO, Later Ko after increasing strength enough to beat hulk.
I repeat these are POSSIBLE ways. Even if it is unlikely that they can happen, it is still plausible giving Juggernaut a slim majority.
Originally posted by Accel
Unlike the Beyonder with Hulk, Thor didn't examine Juggernaut's strength with his godly cosmic powers. I don't care what Spider-Man says.So it is getting outside help. Should that really be allowed?
Yeah, but we all know now that the Beyonder was retconned to be delusional...'ooo, I'm so beyond everything, la-dee-dah' and the PTB were just playing along so anything he said is suspect.
