Juggernaut or The Hulk?

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Intellegence matters. Banner Hulk would stuck juggernaut somewhere (I miss wrote this one porpuse!)

Cyttorak has limits. Hulk could surpass these limits and eventually would.

By the way Jugfan thanks for agreeing with me that it doesn't matter who gets knocked around, especially since that was your arguement for like 20 pages.

Originally posted by JuggernautFan
so its silly for a comic book character to be "unstoppable" but there is no questioning unlimited strength???

No, the point is that Jugs. has been stopped more or less. Hulk, on the other hand, still hasn't displayed the upper limits of his strength (yes, a bit convenient I know, but that's how he's written).

its not that they are a "lesser" character. its about attributes. now ghost rider could theoretically give juggernaut problems.

Well, in power levels Ghost Rider is always depicted as being on par with, or less than, Spider Man. I never understood this, as the guy is supposed to be impervious to harm. So I'd think he'd be a major pain for Cain...at least that's how I'd write him...if I could write. :-)

however if its magical, it could very wall cause juggernaut a WHOLE lot of trouble.

It's mystical from what I understand.

cytorrak would only want cain to die anyway, since the stupidy of cain punching cytorrak to steal his gem really pissed cytorrak off, and then juggy in the whole examplars story

I'm glad to see someone on here knows what happened the first time Juggernaut ACTUALLY met Cyttorak.

lol, i thought it was the stupidest decision cain ever made in his life

but cain didnt lose his powers then, cyttorak let him keep them.

its gotta be hulk, i say this cause of one very decisive fact, in the onslaught incidense, juggy was dead afraid of onslaught and when he tried to destroy the armour of onslaught, he didnt even put a dent on it, later with a hit, onslaught had juggy runnin fer his life, but, when jean greay took away the rational mind of bruce banner through telepathy, the hulk, RIPPED APART, the armour of onslaught, not to mention the i dunno how many ton heavy mountain hulk lifted in secret wars.

Originally posted by Havoc470
lol, i thought it was the stupidest decision cain ever made in his life

I don't know about that, he did challenge Eternity after all, lol.

And, the whole Onslaught thing is NOT a decisive factor in this, and you would know if you saw what happened in all four of their fights. And Hulk wasn't holding all of that mountain up, Iron Man blew out a pocket over them and Hulk kept it from collapsing on them. Hulk was using leverage, as he said himself.

Originally posted by Tron
I don't know about that, he did challenge Eternity after all, lol.

And, the whole Onslaught thing is NOT a decisive factor in this, and you would know if you saw what happened in all four of their fights. And Hulk wasn't holding all of that mountain up, Iron Man blew out a pocket over them and Hulk kept it from collapsing on them. Hulk was using leverage, as he said himself.

Unh, that still doesn't make sense. He was definitely supporting the weight of the rock above the hole, which was on the mountain side, and that's still well over 100 tons. Leverage on what? He wasn't using anything but his back. It's no bench press, but I haven't seen Jugs do anything like that.

Originally posted by Tron
I don't know about that, he did challenge Eternity after all, lol.

Ok, so what actually happened when Juggernaut met Cytorrak? He punched him in the face and then what? Since Juggernaut isn't Juggernaut without Cytorrak, why didn't he get his ass handed to him by Cy?

Originally posted by picoico
Unh, that still doesn't make sense. He was definitely supporting the weight of the rock above the hole, which was on the mountain side, and that's still well over 100 tons. Leverage on what? He wasn't using anything but his back. It's no bench press, but I haven't seen Jugs do anything like that.

Hulk said it, not me. Ask the writers what leverage. They said he used leverage, so that's what I go by.

I think one of the corners was down, no? Maybe?

juggernaut punched cy because he wanted the crystal on cytorrak's head so he could have more power, it happened in the crimson cosmo's dimension and juggy was with strange and nova, strange and nova did'nt want juggy to have more power so nova blasted the gem out of juggy's hand and strange created magical bonds on his arms, they returned the gem to cytorrak and all cy did was throw them out of the dimension, which is what strange and nova were trying to do all along

Why didn't he kill Jugs? If I gave a present to someone and he acted like a jerk, I'd kick his ass.

lol, they just didnt wanna kill off juggy, but i thought the exemplars saga would've been the end of juggy for sure, i guess cytorrak would rather take juggy's powers away slowly than simply take them all away at once, maybe theres a reason why cy could only take a little of the gem's power back that i simply forgot about

Originally posted by Tron
Hulk said it, not me. Ask the writers what leverage. They said he used leverage, so that's what I go by.

Hey, maybe Hulk was just bragging. Like you know "Eh, it was all leverage." -Hulk as he kisses his biceps (although obviously he didn't do that in the comic.)

Well, he was keeping the pocket around them from collapsing on all of them. If he had been holding the entire mountain itself, it would've crumbled in his hands, or around his arms and back I should say. Unless they pull a "Superman" here and say "f*ck physics" of course.

Juggernaut is unstoppable you can't kill him but he can be slowed down or defeated. Hardly anything can slow him down but once he has started moving, nothing has been known to stop him except himself. He gets his power from the stone of Cittorak. Even though I'd like to go with the Hulk, Juggernaut doesn't need to eat, sleep, or breath (he could stay in space or underwater forever, courtesy of this stone)!!! Plus Juggernaut can create a forcefield around himself. 😮‍💨

All you've said ahs already been stated and debated, just to be stated and debated all over again. But thanks for the two cents, ask welcome to the KMC.😉