Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by wrathofachilles
It's not disqualified because it's a magic sword. The point was that Juggernaut could bleed and be hurt, not that he could be hurt by a butter knife.

yes it is disqualified. juggernaut cannot be hurt by physical means which is what we were talking about. the sword has mystical properties about it which makes it able to penetrate...... the juggernaut.

Originally posted by wrathofachilles

Juggernaut is stronger than Namor, clearly. Namor is up there, but as has been stated before, out of water he's overmatched real fast. Of course he's the most powerful underwater, it's a bit hard for anyone else to fight in the ocean. He is not stronger than Hulk, however. Nor than Thor. Indeed Thor stopped his forward motion, because it CAN be stopped. Juggernaut did not know this, however, which explains his shock and fear once he figured it out. Again, it just takes a superior force.

if you are refering to when thor punched him..... and he was sent flying backwards........ i think you should re-read it 😉

thor was under rubble to which juggernaut was digging through. the "unstoppable" nature of his power applies to his whole body (i know i have said that before) and only takes effect if he is in motion. when you are digging through the trash are you in motion??? as for namor i dont even wanna discuss that.

Originally posted by wrathofachilles

Juggernaut is capable of beating Hulk, sure. No question. But that doesn't mean he would every time they fight. The times they've fought were not under normal circumstances except for one, where Hulk left, believing he won. Juggernaut would have come back, but the writers wanted to go to bed so gave it a cheap ending. He has trouble with Juggernaut because of the simple fact that Juggernaut keeps coming back, Hulk is not used to that. However, in the end, Hulk is capable of beating Juggernaut down if he gets angry enough. Hulk is capable of beating anyone down if he gets angry enough.

i agree it was a cheap ending..... but hulk has already proven that even when -extremely- enraged he cant beat juggernaut down............. NEXT.

madman knocked out Hulk with one punch 2 issues after Jugs did, does that mean he is stronger than Jugs?

i wasnt talking about that issue.......

juggernaut proved his own strength against hulk in 172. not 402 404

hulk looks very small in that pic...

he was sick...he had the equivalent of Hulk HIV invented Madman, the only disease Hulk could ever catch...Madman has brain, brawn, and is as smart as he could be without increased brain evolution like his brother, The Leader

none the less that fellow is huge 😉

So like he can knock Hulk and Thor around but rubble takes 'em some time eh?

what?

maybe i should of quoted, guess i got lazy.

Originally posted by JuggernautFan

if you are refering to when thor punched him..... and he was sent flying backwards........ i think you should re-read it 😉

thor was under rubble to which juggernaut was digging through. the "unstoppable" nature of his power applies to his whole body (i know i have said that before) and only takes effect if he is in motion. when you are digging through the trash are you in motion??? as for namor i dont even wanna discuss that.[/B]

there

oh ok...i thought u were talkin bout Madman

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
So like he can knock Hulk and Thor around but rubble takes 'em some time eh?

you are focusing on the wrong part of the story. reminds me of when joe dirt was talking to kickin wing (the indian tracker) of coarse he asked absurd and stupid off the wall questions that have nothing to do with anything

he was diging through it. he wasnt advancing.

"i have to get out of here before this guy gets to me"-something to that effect said by thor. Then he toughens up and knocks jugs silly. Even if you can't stop 'em (which obviosly you can.) why not telport behind him and wail him from there?
And like i said, dimensional barriers can't stop him, thor can't stop him, tony starks prison can't stop him (which it did but this is by your standards.) but rubble completely impedes his movement?

it didnt impede his movement..... he was digging through it. what is there to say?? do you not understand that?? swinging his arms back and forth knocking it out of the way. i thought that was simple. but apparently you dont understand. he was looking for thor, and had no idea where he was.......

No, come on now, be serious. Since when do you have to push things out of your way if you can walk threw anything?

Shouldn't he have just smashed threw it like a dimensional barrier?

Now that's not right, just picking apart quotes now. He wasn't walking through the rubble, he was digging through it. Why he didn't just walk through it, you'll have to ask the writer on that (it would've bee kinda silly just walking around through rubble anyways, in my opinion). That's how it went down. Deal with it.

And I see you're still picking on the dimensional thing also, which is silly. He did that once when he was being persuaded, or controlled by Cyttorak to go to a certain place, which brought out his true potential while doing so. Now, he doesn't doesn't do that normally cause he doesn't know how to reach that potential yet. Hopefully that explains it somewhat for you, to stay on it is just silly.

Originally posted by EgoPrime
Btw: Intellect has nothing to do with a slugfest. All the brains in the world aren't going to help you in a boxing match.

Havoc: Stay on Topic.

Mohammed Ali and Bruce Lee never won their fights on intellect, you dolt.

They won because both of them had incredible speed, endurance, and strength. How smart they were had nothing to do with how fast they were punching. That comparison was just stupid.

Honestly, Bruce-Banner Hulk shuffling around the Hulk like a boxer or bouncing around Jeet-Kune-Do style isn't going to help him at all with the Juggernaut. Between Juggernaut and the Hulk, whoever is smarter doesn't matter.

Bruce Banner was never a martial arts/boxing champion either. So your point is shot.

Smarts would have an effect the outcome. If Juggernaut is smart enough to let Hulk harmlessly bonk him at his base level and picks his moment to wail on him, easy as pie. If he cheeses Hulk off for a week and a half, he'll have way more trouble.

Originally posted by Tron
Now that's not right, just picking apart quotes now. He wasn't walking through the rubble, he was digging through it. Why he didn't just walk through it, you'll have to ask the writer on that (it would've bee kinda silly just walking around through rubble anyways, in my opinion). That's how it went down. Deal with it.

And I see you're still picking on the dimensional thing also, which is silly. He did that once when he was being persuaded, or controlled by Cyttorak to go to a certain place, which brought out his true potential while doing so. Now, he doesn't doesn't do that normally cause he doesn't know how to reach that potential yet. Hopefully that explains it somewhat for you, to stay on it is just silly.

Oh yeah, i can see jugs just sitting there thinking "i will move my arms from side to side, searching requires no foward motion, so long as i keep moving my arms like so, i will eventually find him" Although taht does seem to be on his level of intellegence, i seriuosly doubt it was so.

Originally posted by EgoPrime
Havoc: Stay on Topic.

Mohammed Ali and Bruce Lee never won their fights on intellect, you dolt.

They won because both of them had incredible speed, endurance, and strength. How smart they were had nothing to do with how fast they were punching. That comparison was just stupid.

Honestly, Bruce-Banner Hulk shuffling around the Hulk like a boxer or bouncing around Jeet-Kune-Do style isn't going to help him at all with the Juggernaut. Between Juggernaut and the Hulk, whoever is smarter doesn't matter.

Bruce Banner was never a martial arts/boxing champion either. So your point is shot.

smarts almost always has an effect on the outcome. obviously it doesn't matter if it's raging Hulk versus Jugs though. But Banner Hulk is a different story.