Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Right, another hulk versus juggie thread. lets get to the points in hand that matter to the outcome of a battle with these 2.
1. No juggie is not stronger than hulk. no one is. end of story, be it 8th day or 10th day, whatever, hulk has limitless strength therefore any battle where he loses on strength is not being fair to the hulks powers.
2. war hulk stopped juggie, so it is possible.
3.the only way to beat the hulk in a battle is really to use magic or some other way other than strength. i get fed up listening to people arguing that hes stronger othayre stronger than the hulk, no one is period, i listened to an interview with Stan Lee who basically stated that hulk was designed as the ultimate engine of destruction with limitlass strength, ie, un toppable. as juggie haslittle else ther than brute force in his arsenal i think it unlikely he would win, or incorrect based on analysing each character. its poor writing basically having hulk stopped defeated in battes on strength etc by anyone and is annoying to se it happen in comics

Originally posted by Tough Guy
1. No juggie is not stronger than hulk. no one is. end of story, be it 8th day or 10th day, whatever, hulk has limitless strength therefore any battle where he loses on strength is not being fair to the hulks powers.

But do not confuse potential with actually being stronger. Hulk has to live to get stronger, when somebody kills him or beats him senseless, he will not get stronger and will lose the battle. Plain and simple. That has happened before.

2. war hulk stopped juggie, so it is possible.

3.the only way to beat the hulk in a battle is really to use magic or some other way other than strength.

In Hulk #402 Juggernaut knocked Hulks @ss out.

Maybe I'm wrong, but those sound like some fanboyish comments there. No one said Juggernaut's stronger for one, but he's been shown to match Hulk in muscle more than once. And to say Hulk can't be beaten by strength? I'm pulling out the bullshit card. He has the potential for limitless strength, but that doesn't mean he snaps his fingers and he's all of a sudden juggling planets. He was beaten by Abomination and Namor also with just strength, so are you gonna say that their wins were bad writing too? Juggernaut's forward movement isn't suppose to be stopped by anyone, only slowed, but I'm not making the arguement that Hulk, even powered by Celestial energy, stop him is complete bullshit. Although it was degrading for the Juggernaut and what he's suppose to stand for, I'm not overly annoyed by it. Why would it be so difficult to believe that a character that's significally strong could beat Hulk? It's not a common thing, but the last few times he was beaten, it was more or less understandable. It's not completely unbelievable, some guys are strong enough to do it, and quick enough to do it before he starts picking up serious steam.

i just joined this thread, so i don't wanta read the 1300 posts before this. if it hasn't already been said juggernaught is unstoppable, as in he would crash straight through hulk. i think hes tougher as well. He could take more damage. also im not sure but can hulk survive tank blasts, i know juggs could. no show of force has ever been known to stop him in his tracks.

also his sheild thingy

juggernaught cannot be stopped byany show of force, thats his gimmick.

You don't know Hulk can survive tank blast? And that's most brutal thing you could think of? Do you read comics? Note that comics is plural, don't answer yes if you've only read one an have come to share you abundant knowledge with all on this forum.

And the Juggernaut has been stopped (on more than one occassion,) who better to do it again than mister "limitless strength?"

sorry im not big on hulk, ive read part of a few different hulk comics, but got bored, and to my knoledge juggernaught hasn't be stopped by any show of physical force.

Well, I hate to say it uQifg2WV, but you actually should have went back a few pages, and that statement has already been discussed for many pages, so what you just said will probably be ignored by anyone who's been discussing this for the past few months.

as much as i thought juggernaut was simply unstoppable when i first read of him, through time i've learned over and over that he actually isnt, i'm not saying he's a weak character, but when you read his bio it isnt exactly one of amazing things, except the most talked about thing thats happened to him which is getting flicked across a few states by onslaught

juggernaut has proven strong against hulk, but hulk has taken him down, although thinking the fight was over hulk just left

i really had no idea this topic was still in discussion till now, i dont even remember the last time i posted

It is my goal to read this entire thread.

Good luck, I actually did before I started posting. Then again, that was about 30 or 40 pages or so ago.

hulk owns

Originally posted by Tron
I don't know about that, he did challenge Eternity after all, lol.

And, the whole Onslaught thing is NOT a decisive factor in this, and you would know if you saw what happened in all four of their fights. And Hulk wasn't holding all of that mountain up, Iron Man blew out a pocket over them and Hulk kept it from collapsing on them. Hulk was using leverage, as he said himself.

Look my point has been once again bent out of its original meaning.
1 No if u fight hand to hand against someone with limitless strength u can not beat him with strength unless u are too limitles. juggie is not. hulk (and who thinks Juggie would kill him lol), would quickly be angry enough to match then surpass Juggies strength in a hand to hand battle. Now Juggie is not smart or a great fighter or has magic, so he has to rely pretty much on strength, he will then lose as hulk will just keep getting stronger and stronger each time juggie pounded him, and as war hulk proved he can be beaten, and stopped and basically has a limit to his strength as was no where near the level of war hulk.
2. apocalypse only seemed to give war hulk a set of weapons, ( sword and funny doc oc like arms), i mean how can u boost a strength level in someone that already has no limit to his strength?
3. he has shown to grow in strength pretty damn quick, almost like snapping his fingers. i mean he starts out as being able to lift like 70 tonnes yet in a comic will be lifting mountains or pulling pushing lifting or smashing with huge force greater than 100 or 200 tonne capability within the space of a picture or 2.
4. Stan lee when describing hulk does not really seem to have an equal in a fist fight. like i stated earlier hulks limited powers and lack of intellect leave plenty of ways to be defeated short of brute force, so it is bad writing to just have hulk lose within the bounds of a fist fight/brwal to any 1 not celestial or anything. juggie by the way posseses no powers really short of strength, and this indestructable thing, both unable unfortunately to top or beat the hulk.
5. juggie is a crap character.

Originally posted by Dark Sun
just admit juggernaught is not in hulks league.

lol tough guy how you only wish it would go the way you want lol

the only reason war hulk beat juggernaut was because he gained celestial magic. he did not stop the juggernaut he halted him in which hulk normal would never do. if i recall this correctly juggernaut was beating hulk into a puddle when red skull told juggernaut not to kill him. As far as juggernaut not having magic well he does or at least he did -_- dam uncanny x-man crap. any way if this is a battle with classic juggernaut there isnt a way in hell hulk can win, sure he gets stronger and stronger thats amazing to bad he can still get tired it may not be soon but he still tires. lets face it boys n girls juggernaut does not tire or become exhasted, knowing this because he doesnt need to breath. ok hulks limitless strength i here about this alot and to be honest im not impressed anger triggers his strenght increase but when you get angry you get tired faster no good for big green neither is the fact that even though his strenght goes up his defense is still the same. and getting stronger he still cant hurt the juggernaut. yet juggernaut can still take everything without a scratch and throw everything back at him.
Please for one second remember juggernaut has a force field that is completely indestructable no matter the force or energy exerted agaist it.
the fight would be good dont get me wrong oh wait a second this fight already happend three times get off it reason hulk won the first time was because the x men got in the way. This is for all the fanboys pick up a comic!!!!!! Take some science classes!!!!! and more importantly when juggernaut gets his power back hope he doesnt test them on yer big green friend

later

Talon

Its about time sombody said this. Old school Juggernaut is not going to be stopped by the Hulk. His endurance is too great cause he does not tire. Hard to beat somebody like that. Plus he cannot be physically harmed in any way. Man I dont how many times I said this.

now its old school juggernaut versus hulk, can someone update me what characters are we talking about here?

people bring up old-school juggy and war hulk and all these different times in their lives, i just thought of it as both characters in present time comics