Juggernaut or The Hulk?

Originally posted by Tough Guy
how dare u who kid. hulk is one of if not THE most powerful manlike creature in the marvel world, stan lees words, thats hulks power alarmingly unbelievable feats of strength, and yes he can access his INFINATE strength quickly as he showed by bracing and holding the mountain.

hulk to when en raged ( as he is bound to get fighting juggie) is well nigh on indestructable

certainly juggie would not have a way of beating him, hulk would just grow stronger and stronger till he buried juggie or threw him off into the vast distance.

and remember war hulk is only using strength any savage/mindless hulk would too possess if were angry.

To close juggie is indeed indestructable (theoretically) and unstoppablye (theoretically) both were shown to be false against war

Basically whatever Hulk can do juggernaut will do it except it will hurt hulk

Thors hammer simply bounced off his force field it is as indestructible as his body. His force field is waves of energy that he produces from his own power and he never grows exhausted or becomes tired. He never runs out of energy Trust me hulk is not going to get through his force field, But this is not about that this is a fight. Being hulk cannot hurt nor stop him the fight goes to juggernaut

And yes his upper strength level is unknown there has been nothing that the juggernaut could not move or destroy that was in his way. When he fought war hulk he pushed him all across africa hulk was so angry so was about to go insane. So to tell me hulk could match juggernaut in pure strength is foolish. I know my juggy very well.

And what did Hulk do to onslaught? He would break Juggs forcefield because his strength is limitless. Eventually hulk would get so strong that Juggs would get tossed or soemthing.

Hulks strength is limitless. An idea I dont necessarily like but one that is established none the less.

Not remotely the same with Juggs.

And yeah Hulk can get hurt but that only makes him madder which helps his cause. Plus, hes got that heal factor.

Well, I haven't been to this site in a couple of weeks, but I see this thread is still going strong. I give my congratulations to Leatherface. I mean over 1400 responses. Jeez. I don't think any other thread can top this. Although, It was pretty easy to call that a fight between someone with unlimited strength against a guy who can't be hurt would cause a good debate.

I hate arguing with fools who cant except the concept of hulk losing.
Just because his strength rises when he gets madder you think he cannot tire or be hurt.
The Incredible Hulk#402 look up that comic juggernaut beat hulk nearly to death but red skull told him not to.
What good is strength if you are to tired to use it.
they would trade punches back and forth none hurt juggernaut but they hurt hulk if he continues his fight and juggernaut keeps beating on him. Hulk can be knocked out just like any other mortal.

Juggernaut should win very easily. Does this thread remind anybody of Asian Hulk?

Man, I posted that on the wrong friggen thread. Supposed to be in the cap vs. jug thread.

Man, fanboyism is a scary thing, lol.

I have to wonder, people keep bringing up Stan Lee like his word is law in Marvel. I'll admit, he is "The Man", but the guy hasn't written for Marvel in a couple of decades or so. Yeah, he may have wanted characters to be a certain way, but that doesn't mean it would always be that way. I'm sure he never expected Spider-Man to have an army of clones running around. He sure as hell never expected Hulk to break off into 3 separate personalities (his words). Just cause Lee said said it, doens't mean it'll always be so. I'm sure he also meant for Juggernaut to be an unstoppable engine of destruction, but as years and writers went by, that failed also. That's just how I see it though. And Tough Guy, you say for anyone to match Hulk in strength is bad writing. So, you're pretty much saying that he should never be beaten by someone who's just as strong, right? If that's true, then that makes Hulk a very boring and predictable character, like Marvel's own Pre-Crisis Superman. What's so wrong with Hulk actually having a physical challenge? If there wasn't someone out there who could give Hulk the fight of his life, or at least a damn good challenge, then what's the point of reading or writing a Hulk comic, just to know he's gonna win anyways? For them NOT to give Hulk a challenge, EVER, is bad writing in my opinion, and if it ever got to that, I'd have to wipe my hands clean of Hulk until they changed it.

right well hate stan he invented hulk END
hulk would not hurt juggie i admit, yet would still bury him END
hulk has UNLIMITED strength its his power END,
hulk is nigh indestructable the madder he gets the quicker he heals END
hulk stopped juggie as war si juggie is not un stoppable END
war hurt juggie (nearly be headed him ) END
savage or mindless hulk both have access to infinite strength END
hulk tire??????? go read the comics END
tron good point about why i hate to see hulk being beaten physically, well i like marvel as their heros seem to be more lets say likely than dc in a way, hulk was created to be the strongest, period. i like that, it in fact gives you so many other ways to beat him, hence the leader is almost infinite in knowledge, ( i believe he got so powerful and ended up reaching some strange enlightenment). a great adversary, spidey is so agile, could not be easily clobbered would use a bit of skill to fight hulk, hell lets have green goblin throw some ambient chill bombs at hulk and let him calm sufficientlyb4 he gets pounded by abom, juggie. its just lazy to say right heres a guy with limitless strength potential that grows as he gets angry, ( and it grows as fast as he gets angry) lets have him get beaten by being overpowered by a guy using brute force, er thats not really being fare firstly to the character hulk, ( who has no equal in raw power in a brute force physical battle) and to the reader who then walks off saying well lets start a thread up to see if any other two bit character can beat hulk. lets face it, a normal hulk and juggie would be fine, pounding at each other then hulk would tire after about a month, and yes juggie would win, or in fact abom, or thor, or hell ben grimm, yet hulk gets stronger with no limit, war was just apoc setting hulk higher up his strength to start off with, a higher base rate, no other powers, alll juggie could do was push him, till hulk said something like, i think this was the script.
juggie: well hulk why u not yelling about you being the strongest
hulk: cos its obvious, then stopped juggie and threw him into egypt, lifted a friggin pyramid, then hurled him to america. now any hulk has access to the STRENGTH war had, war just has a major head start, he wasnt even pissed when he was dealing with juggie.
lastly juggie is not infinate in strength, END nor as strong as the hulk END maybe a bit more invincable with his force field till hulk gets mad END

jugg will slaughter hulk why you ask? juggernaut was born with a juggernaut gene the hulk was a freak accident. so jugg has the advantage

sorry to do a double reply but if u want to see hulk having physical equals then youd have to change his powers. maybe i dont know give him a strength limit, or a limit to his anger, but i would think ud lose the readers who like the fact he is a mindless brute limitless in rage and strength. u see he has no equal as he has no limit, u r dissempowering him having him mathched physically for no reason, and he only has strength and healing to play with, not like superman who probably had a blue beam come out hs eyes to hoover his house. lets have hulk tricked more,, outsmaretd thats why i read the comics, and when he catches up with whoever i want to see him pound them like he has every right to do, not have some crap half hearted attempt at a fight, never get much strnger and stalemate against some big character, hulk basically shoud smash anyone stupid enough to go toe to toe with him END

juggie was found gem of cytorrak, a gene????????

Don't you know the Juggyman is unstoppable!

I thought we went of the war hulk thing, It wasnt really him inside all the new toys he got and apocalypse argmenting him further. To say that that juggernaut is not unstoppable is a crime. War did not stop juggernaut with physical strength if you read the comic at all you would have seen juggernaut pushing war all over africa proving he has more physical strength. War stopped juggernaut with his newly found celestial energy. Celestial energy being of an unknown origin could stop the energy wich cytorrak gave him. So saying normal savage or mindless hulk hell i dont care wich one cannot fully match juggernauts strength. His magic enchants his forward progress much like when he was magically stripped of all of his flesh and organs and he keeped walking forward yeah lets see hulk striped of his flesh and organs lets see if he can still manage to walk. that happend in Juggernaut one shot

Just another little addition to what i said in oneshot his power was drained significantly yet he still continued his forward progress

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Neptune/7060/vs_DSpayre.html

juggie stronger.... what... who is this guy, u talk bollocks my son, and i mean that politely, celestial power made him stronger, his strength is infinite all apoc did was let hulk tap into what was already there, a higher base rate of strength maybe but nothing else, i cant believe you read that comic and think because the writer let juggie have a couple of frames pushing hulk he was anything other than annialated, by war hulk just tapping into his own power thats all, after all apoc wanted a hero who was powerful enough to be able to produce that kind of power, wonder why he didnt chose juggie, oh and furthermore why he chose juggie as a test subject to obliterate, clearly if u think hulk was suped up when he was really just tapping into his own vats of LIMITLESS potential just shows how much ud admire hulk if u took ur blinkers off and saw that he has no physical equal, has more power as such than juggie ( the power of a supernova was once used to describe him) and on a one on one er what can juggie do..... nothing, hulk will smash

oh and hulk grew back after 2/3 s of him was burnt away in secs, as he gets madder he heals quicker till literally he would be indestructable

i only bring war hulk into this as he was using power already available to savage or mindless hulk as both are limitless in strength

oh and marvel have juggie as 9 out of ten on strength in your bio thingy ma jig,