My goodness, your fanboyism is unfathomable, lol. Really now, Stan Lee invented Hulk, that's true, but what's your point? Is he writing Hulk now? No. Has he written him in a couple of decades? No. He was Marvel's strongest AT HIS TIME. Doesn't mean it stays that way, there are other writers out there that do other things, and other characters created that are stronger than Hulk at his base level. Whine and complain about it all you want, but it's the truth, whether your fanboyism will let you see it or not. And, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but he has been beaten by strength during Stan Lee's time. Remember his firstt meeting with Abomination? When Abomination was twice as strong as Hulk (yes, TWICE as strong)? Abomination nearly beat him to death, with his strength alone. Namor, who got Hulk into the water, owned him also. If I'm wrong about Stan Lee, then my apologies, but those events have happened though. And, Juggernaut already gave him more than enough trouble in their first fight, but for some reason you don't want to acknowledge that. And won't mention how Juggernaut beat him like a redheaded stepchild in plain streetclothes, that issue speaks for itself. And also, about his potential for limitless strength; key word is POTENTIAL. He has the potential for it, doesn't mean he has limitless strength itself. He has yet to completely go past any limit any may think he has. And, if he did actually have overall limitless strength as you say, then he should be unbeatable, and he should never have been beaten the way he has at times, by strength alone. But, he has. Potential, yes, but he's also been shown to have limits to his rage, and strength with it. And, about War, you ask how can someone with unlimited strength be made stronger? Well, simple; seeign as how it's only potential, he still has his base strength, sowhat do you do? You amp up his base strength, seems about right to me. Makes perfect sense to me, don't know why it doesn't to you. I'm glad you acknowledged that his base strength was brought up though, and that's exactly the point we've been making for months. Anyways, to another subject. I'm also glad you acknowledged my comment about Hulk being the strongest. Now, true, there are plenty of ways other than strength to beat Hulk. So, if he's gonna automatically be stronger than everyone in Marvel, then why have him battle any superstrong being in the Marvel Universe, if it's just gonna show him winning? Like I said, it's not very exciting, and a fight that would be pointless to read, cause we've know the result before we opened the book. If there's not a chance he'll lose, then lets just make him omnipotent and be done with it. He's had foes that have given him hell when matching muscle, and I have no problem seeing that, makes for an exciting comic. And it doesn't to know there are those out there that would make Hulk actually work for a win. And, on a large scale, we can say Hulk the most physically powerful being on Earth, but who's to say he's the strongest in the universe itself? Thanos, Champion, and others can teach Hulk a thing or two. Now, Hulk has the potential to surpase both, but chances are he'll be put down before that ever happened. Now, you don't need to change Hulk's powers for hm to have any kind of physical match, that's just silly, you can have plenty of opponents able to match him in muscle and still be a good comic. And two bit fighters? Thing, although he can only match Hulk for so long, is no two bit fighter. Abomination, more or less the anti-Hulk, is no two bit fighter. Thor sure as hell ain't no two bit fighter. Juggernaut, although some people might think so, is no two bit fighter. Although he's not the most interesting character, he's more than proved himself against plenty of foes, and has shown that he could be more than a threat to almost anyone on Earth. And you say Hulk should not be matched by muscle, well I could easily say Juggernaut's forward movement should not be halted, but that would go into a totally different arguement. But do you see my point? I sure hope so. If not, then I'll try to explain later. To conclude, try to open your eyes. Either character has a chance (as I've said, many, many times) because of both of their respective powers alone, it just depends on who's lucky day it is, and the location.
And 5KnuckleShuffle: Juggernaut Gene? Tell me you're not serious.