Juggernaut or The Hulk?

bye kill all well 7 days was the pacific swimming, im sure there are battles hes had that went on longer and he also didnt fail from his task through tiring, ( once his task is complete he then calms not the same sa tiring) thats my point sorry if u cant get it, but yes hulk will tire and calm once he has done what he is set to do.
enough guys juggie is not infinite in strength live with it. why would marvel make a character infinite in strength, infinite in invulnerability, he would kick the crap out of anyone not psychic, and who was arguing that hulk just being limitless in strength would be boring if that was used in every fight? u see hulk is the hero with unlimited strength, juggie the invulnerability POTENTIAL thats the battle anger and brute strength v anger and invulnerability, juggie has super strength, hulk super healing so really u go with what would win a brawl, hulks strength, juggies invulnerability, i go with strength as being beaten around till i get smashed under a rock or something would at the very least look rather embarrassing.

Hmmm, won't tire til his task is done, so you're saying he was about done with this task😉:

Juggernaut's invulnerability is infinite against physical attacks....not psychic.

THAT is Juggernaut's weakness, not brute force.

Even though physical might is Hulk's "strength"...it doesn't do any good because invulnerability to physical attacks is Juggernaut's "strength"

you have to go weakness against weakness...and Hulk doesn't have any psionic powers, so there goes Juggernaut's weakness. Hulk has to breath to stay conscious....that's Hulk's weakness.

Juggernaut has exploited it before...but by the same token, Hulk has exploited Juggernaut's before.

Now what's more likely:
Hulk being choked unconscious....or another psychic backlash?

Juggernaut wins after reading Link's post.

Now, what was Hulk saying in that pic? Something like "Hulk tired", wasn't it? You gotta give me more than the same thing you've been saying for over ten pages Tough Guy, if you even want me or others to even consider most of what you're saying as credible.😉

Give me some quotes, issues, pics, something other than simple bios.

Like I said when I first got to this thread though, it can go either way, it just depends on the situation. Although, I would give the immediate advantage to Juggernaut, due to his powers compared to Hulk's.

Yes, to even give Hulk any benefit of the doubt, I said in the earlier post that on any chance for Hulk to get ahead, he would have to get Juggernaut to forfeit on his own (pain tolerance). And Juggernaut can heal too, not just Hulk.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Hulk has to breath to stay conscious....that's Hulk's weakness.

Juggernaut has exploited it before...but by the same token, Hulk has exploited Juggernaut's before.

Now what's more likely:
Hulk being choked unconscious....or another psychic backlash?

I seem to remember an incident where Juggernaut literally almost drowned the Hulk by holding him in a chokehold and submerging the Hulk's head under water. Anyone know what issue that was?

er what happpened after that pic tron u silly boy?????????
right as to my earlier point at last its got through hulk is impervious enough for juggie not to be able to beat him either so whats gonna happen the strongest throws the weaker away hence a hulk victory, and tron maybe if i was shown otherwise i mightnot repeat myself over and over.
linkalicious neither is likely thats your answer from those choices. hulks strength wnt hurt juggie, juggies invulnerability wont hurt hulk, it would then obviously be a wrestle for superiority and hulk would win that. if u actually read and understand my post at the top of this page ull find that nothing has changed from what ive said. if u dont find bios etc credible then u can stay arguing issue numbers that very few of us seem to be able to agree on as they seem written to be inconsistant and controversial.
wynndar where u stand on this hulk tired issue???? ur the issue genius.

Originally posted by radioboy121
Yes, to even give Hulk any benefit of the doubt, I said in the earlier post that on any chance for Hulk to get ahead, he would have to get Juggernaut to forfeit on his own (pain tolerance). And Juggernaut can heal too, not just Hulk.

Yes but he doesnt have to heal, there will be no pain to ever cross juggernauts mind to begin with.

Hulk can beat on him all day it still doesnt matter how strong he gets, and never in the history of these two fighting has hulk gotten mad enought that juggernaut could not still over power him. End

Originally posted by Tough Guy
er what happpened after that pic tron u silly boy?????????
right as to my earlier point at last its got through hulk is impervious enough for juggie not to be able to beat him either so whats gonna happen the strongest throws the weaker away hence a hulk victory, and tron maybe if i was shown otherwise i mightnot repeat myself over and over.
linkalicious neither is likely thats your answer from those choices. hulks strength wnt hurt juggie, juggies invulnerability wont hurt hulk, it would then obviously be a wrestle for superiority and hulk would win that. if u actually read and understand my post at the top of this page ull find that nothing has changed from what ive said. if u dont find bios etc credible then u can stay arguing issue numbers that very few of us seem to be able to agree on as they seem written to be inconsistant and controversial.
wynndar where u stand on this hulk tired issue???? ur the issue genius.

wrestle him til he got a big fist in his face right????????

Originally posted by theflyxx
I seem to remember an incident where Juggernaut literally almost drowned the Hulk by holding him in a chokehold and submerging the Hulk's head under water. Anyone know what issue that was?

not 100% sure, but I believe it was Hulk #402.

He was dressed as a construction worker, and he got the drop on Hulk. Hulk had plenty of time to power up and go berserk but he took it easy on Juggernaut because he didn't recognize him. Hulk didn't want to hurt a human...then Juggernaut overpowered him.

Actually Juggernaut would have killed Hulk, but the Leader showed up and stopped him.

that was prof hulk. i think, ask wynndar.
no talon juggie has never been to strong for a savage hulk. END
hulk is gonna get stronget than juggie if they fight,and how exactly is juggie gonna hurt hulk???? all he has is his fists and theyre not powerful enough against a raging savage hulk

Originally posted by Tough Guy

linkalicious neither is likely thats your answer from those choices. hulks strength wnt hurt juggie

True

Originally posted by Tough Guy
juggies invulnerability wont hurt hulk

Also true. Juggies strength will be what hurts the Hulk.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
if u actually read and understand my post at the top of this page ull find that nothing has changed from what ive said.

Read...yes. Understand....no.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
if u dont find bios etc credible then u can stay arguing issue numbers that very few of us seem to be able to agree on as they seem written to be inconsistant and controversial.

Your problem is that you only read Hulk bios. Read a Juggernaut Bio. Everything I've said is true to the character. Juggernaut can't be hurt by Hulk, he can't be knocked unconscious by Hulk's strength, Hulk can be choked unconscious.

Comics are controversial....and so is this subject. it didn't get 90 some odd pages just because everyone keeps saying that Hulk wins.

everyone says that physically the juggernaut cant be hurt, but wasnt it also true that onslaught's armour was unbreakable, just as unbreakable as juggernaut is impervious to physical attack.
ALL im saying is that when we are talkin about pissed of hulk then none of these FACTS hold, just like te laws of physics dont hold for the hulk.

Originally posted by Tough Guy
that was prof hulk. i think, ask wynndar.
no talon juggie has never been to strong for a savage hulk. END
hulk is gonna get stronget than juggie if they fight,and how exactly is juggie gonna hurt hulk???? all he has is his fists and theyre not powerful enough against a raging savage hulk

What issue has juggernaut been too weak to stand against hulk?????

Originally posted by leonheartmm
everyone says that physically the juggernaut cant be hurt, but wasnt it also true that onslaught's armour was unbreakable, just as unbreakable as juggernaut is impervious to physical attack.
ALL im saying is that when we are talkin about pissed of hulk then none of these FACTS hold, just like te laws of physics dont hold for the hulk.

that is a good point to bring up

writers tend to say one thing or say many things but when they write their stories they dont hold up to what they have just said about their character

reminds me of Dragonball Z and their Super Saiyan come only once a thousand years and stuff. They messed that idea up big time

Linkalishish: What comic are "you" talking about?? Obviously not this one..

I hardly think the hulk "got scared" and hopped away, Thor was left in a heap of bloody mess, disorientated and dased, the hulk simply walked off..

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sorry here's the real link to the images...

http://www.leaderslair.com/gammapeople/hulksmashes/hulk2001-3.html

The comic ended there, the hulk overpowered Thor via getting rid of Mjolnir(however you spell it) and proceeding to kick his butt..Hulk left thor a bleeding, bloody, dazed and confused mess..Your comic analysis is dead wrong, hulk didn't "hop" away...He came, he saw, he kicked Thor's tail..That would make Hulk's(what?) eighth win over Thor..

Back to the Juggernaut debate, the only proof you have of Juggernaut's strength being infinite is "you not seeing his limit"..You've never seen (lets say) Apocalypses "limit" BUT his strength isn't deemed infinite, just because you've never seen his limit doesn't make his strength infinite you're just grasping straws saying that it is...I've never read a bio, heard a writer, or any source of comic database say anything about Jugg's power being infinite, only fans say otherwise.

It's kind of like someone coming out of the blue and saying Superman's strength is infinite in a debate, hell we never saw him strain to pick up a planet, or punch a planet into pieces, we never saw HIS limit . But that fact has never been stated and why? because we never seen anything in his bios, comics, cards or writers for that matter saying his strength is infinite therefore we "assume" that his powers have some sort or limit "although" way beyond common "human" comprehension..Jugg's may be able to lift the heaviest mountain with little to no effort BUT until a writer, bio or some informative comic source brings it to light THEN WE CAN ASSUME his powers are just 1) Invulnerability 2)Immense physical strength, everything a comic-hero does is in some bio somewhere and infinite strength was never in Jugg's bio, QUIT GIVING HIM powers..Show me some form of writing that states Marcos power is non-stop and I'll close out my argument
on that issue altogether, but you won't because it doesn't exist...

Lastly, many hereos in the comic book have powers of Invulnerability, look at Rogue, Gladiator, and The Thing, yeah they are invulnerable but they go by "Human" aspects, things we can relate to like a tank blast or bullets, the bio's can't really determine that their invulnerability can withstand a hulk blow and why because hulk's strength/powers are undertermined thus you see guys like Gladiator grunt, groan and grimace when the hulk hits them iwth a devastating Hulk clap!! It's a comic for goodness sakes things like physical invulnerability gets "overridden" ALL THE TIME...In the end like I said before both hulk and Jugs rely on mostly physical strength to win a battle, and even though Jugg's strength may be alittle over Hulk's the hulk has the chance to equal and dwarf Jugg's power in a long lengthy fight...Bar none!!!

A wise man once told me, Logic and Fans don't mix...

Put it like this, if someone came up to me to prove that the hulk's strength is infinite I would show them biographies, cards, a depiction of hulk's strength rising when getting mad..What would you show them if they asked to prove is Jugg's strength infinite?? Him lifting a mountain...lol...no wait..him throwing Cap'n America??

say where can i find more pictures like that from that website??

also there was a website that explain and also showed pictures of the HUlk's famous battles with Wolverine, Thor, and Juggernaut and others