How do you know the person whos limit is unknown has a limit himself? Thats something to think about. There is no doubt about it that Hulk cannot be beat by physical force. But Juggernaut is the only character who actually has knocked Hulks @ss out by physical force. Weather or not it was professor Hulk or savage Hulk does not matter cause They are both equally strong. I would think professosor Hulk would be harder cause he is alot smarter. The Spikey form Thing did beat the grey Hulk but that isnt something to really brag about. Gray Hulk was the weakest and tamest of the three. The physical power of the Juggernaut cannot be denied.
I just want to know how can someone have unlimited rage?
How mad can someone get before they go insane?
Has anyone thought about that?
Have we ever seen hulk reach his unlimited rage on his own?
Being that juggernauts strength is a mystery and we dont know how mad hulk has to get to reach that strength and would he go crazy getting so angry?
I still believe on hulks way to reaching juggernauts strength, juggernaut will end the fight. I mean abom is what twice the strength of hulk when hulk starts out and abom beat him?
We know juggernaut is more than twice as strong as hulk.
We also know no matter how strong hulk gets he cannot hurt juggernaut.
Yet juggernaut can always hurt hulk with or without healing factor it doesnt matter it still hurts.-
Originally posted by Tough Guy
er what happpened after that pic tron u silly boy?????????
Well, I got the pic for what happened after also, but unfortunately the site's telling me it's too big, so I can't post it. But, Wynndar himself has that pic, and I'm sure he'd be more than happy to show it to us again.😉
I agree with Paola. This will never die, just because it's so debateable. It can be closed, but only to be restarted in a whole new thread. Different opinions, facts, polls, doesn't mean a thing. Their powers are similar, yet at the same time different enough to keep the debate interesting and going longer. I still say it can go either way depending on the situation, but few people here don't see it that way. Oh well, can't say we all haven't tryed.
Originally posted by Tron
I agree with Paola. This will never die, just because it's so debateable. It can be closed, but only to be restarted in a whole new thread. Different opinions, facts, polls, doesn't mean a thing. Their powers are similar, yet at the same time different enough to keep the debate interesting and going longer. I still say it can go either way depending on the situation, but few people here don't see it that way. Oh well, can't say we all haven't tryed.
agreed
Originally posted by snoopdogg
How do you know the person whos limit is unknown has a limit himself? Thats something to think about. There is no doubt about it that Hulk cannot be beat by physical force. But Juggernaut is the only character who actually has knocked Hulks @ss out by physical force. Weather or not it was professor Hulk or savage Hulk does not matter cause They are both equally strong. I would think professosor Hulk would be harder cause he is alot smarter. The Spikey form Thing did beat the grey Hulk but that isnt something to really brag about. Gray Hulk was the weakest and tamest of the three. The physical power of the Juggernaut cannot be denied.
totally inaccurate...Madman knocked Hulk out with one punch 3 issues after Juggernaut did....does that mean he is way stronger than Juggernaut? Prof Hulk was displayed as KO'd on multiple occasions...saying Juggernaut was the only one who has reveals a lack of Hulk knowledge.
And it makes a big difference between prof Hulk and savage Hulk.
Regardless of whether Hulk was Grey when Spike form Thing beat him is irrelevant, Grey Hulk has the same potential as the rest, he just starts out weaker...in fact, I would say Grey Hulk is more dangerous against Jug. than prof Hulk, just because he is so nasty. Just ask the X-men, he trashed them pretty bad. It would have been interesting for spiked up Thing to fight Jug.
no juggie wont hurt a savage hulk, he is not strong enough, sorry there
talon all juggies bios ( and ive read many actually) state a high durability drawn from the magic of cytorrak ( thats theoretically infinite)and the magical ability to run without being halted, also a force field can be projected, why? who knows. now if marvel gave him infinite strength aswell im sorry that would be very dc. and innaccurate to how he was created, ie what will they do nest make him fly???? , and ive not seen hulk fight juggie in comics with the same ferocity and strength levels he has used at other times ( inconcistencies of comic books).
apocs strength is infinite, very similar to hulks in as comes from an unknown dimension, sorry sarkastic.
excellent point onslaughts armour was indeed unbreakable, er i wonder who dod smash it, and onslaught knew also that hulk was the 1 able to do so.
also grey hulk wynndar has no ability to grow stronger with rage but somehow there is not a lot of info that ive read on that so i could be wrong. but from what ive read savage and mindless are the 2 most able to unlock their unlimited potential of strength/healing etc. grey seems stuck at around 75 tonnes but with a mean attitude and intellect, probably why spikey thing beat him, not so sure any form of thing would beat the mad as hell savage hulk im talking about
talon if your gonna start arguing science , ie how can someone have limitless rage well er whats so logical about a limitless magic gemstone from your point of view?????? also er no he is not at least twice as strong as hulk, i also believe abom would be more than a physical match for juggie but thats a different thread.
of course we cant say for sure what would happen in a comic as as we have seen that depends on the writers and their accuracy in writing the story, my whole point is just going by their respective powers hulk would win in a bral with juggie.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
no juggie wont hurt a savage hulk, he is not strong enough, sorry there
he already did hurt savage hulk 😉 and he already fatigued savage hulk 😉 arguement nullified. END.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
talon all juggies bios ( and ive read many actually) state a high durability drawn from the magic of cytorrak ( thats theoretically infinite)and the magical ability to run without being halted, also a force field can be projected, why? who knows. now if marvel gave him infinite strength aswell im sorry that would be very dc.
hulks writer said juggy had unlimited amounts of energy to call upon, therefor making him an equal to if not superior to hulk in strength. arguement nullified. stop reading bios and pick up an actual comic book. this is a comic book vs thread, not a bio vs thread 😉
Originally posted by Tough Guy
and ive not seen hulk fight juggie in comics with the same ferocity and strength levels he has used at other times ( inconcistencies of comic books).
actually he was on the virge of insanity with rage 😉 pretty ferocious...
Originally posted by Tough Guy
apocs strength is infinite, very similar to hulks in as comes from an unknown dimension, sorry sarkastic.
funny you should mention this... apocalypse said he had long wondered who was more powerful... himself or juggernaut. he also said juggernauts power was a valuable test to celestial might. not hulks might... CELESTIAL might. thanks for proving my point. its obvious you are basing your entire arguement on cards and bios when the real facts lie in comics. to which you probably havnt read any of thier fights (hulks and juggies).
Originally posted by Tough Guy
excellent point onslaughts armour was indeed unbreakable, er i wonder who dod smash it, and onslaught knew also that hulk was the 1 able to do so.
actually onslaught didnt know, and nowhere does it say that onslaughts armor was unbreakable. had it been adamantium... it would still be unbroken (true adamantium). therefor, not unbreakable.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
also grey hulk wynndar has no ability to grow stronger with rage
actually, he does 😉 you are quite full of useful information arent you??
NOT.
it was stated in the comic killall at some point live with it it was unbreakable till hulk broke it
* im not sure u r right about grey hulk i dont think his strength increases, certainly not emphasised like savage or mindless hulk.
* apoc would kick juggie shitless so he neednt worry, if him giving hulk a bit of celestial energy and a bit of a strength increase, ( something hulk can do himself might i add) then id hate to think what hed do , with celestail power and also limitless strength, thanks for proving what point numbskull?
*nope ive seen hulk madder, he was much more insane against onslaught . also abomination has pissed him off many times.
* tired didnt he whack juggie into amountain after he said that? when was savage hulk hurt by juggie??????mmmm wishing again?
* onslough was waiting for one of the heroes to break his armour etc and release his spirit, hulk was the only one that could, thinking he was actually destroying him.
* juggie just isnt in hulks strength league, hasnt proved so he isnt END
* hulks writers baloney, why in the new MARVEL trump cards is juggie put as weaker than hulk, thor, apoc and galactus ( obviously), and abom???? hmmmmmmmethunks this guy was talking pudding mix my good man, seeing as now juggie is old and dead doesnt seem whoever said this had a clue.
* for the last time he is not infinite in strength, invulnerability, forwadr momentum, whatever, he is not that powerful. nor is he that established a character, so marvel can pretty much piss about with him at will, hence his inconsitancies and bloody stupid powers, i mean running in a direction, im invulnerable s what do i need , oh , a forcefield, ha ha ha ha, come to think of it this is not a debate, as soon as there is a story where a being is neede to stop juggieand beat him senseless it will fall to hulk, and as long as writers stick with his character then hell do what he always does, stop the unstopable, and hurt the unhurtable.
* DONT INSULT ME COS I HAVE TOO MUCH OF A LIFE TO SIT AND MEMORISE THE UPTEEN HUNDREDS OF COMICS IVE READ THROUGH MY LIFE, OR TAKE THE MICKY COS I ACTUALLY LIKE TO READ BIOS, TRUMP CARDS TO GET A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHARACTERS IVE ENJOYED READING ABOUT, SOMETHING I BELIEVE YOU NEED TO DO MORE KILL ALL.
This argument is indeed a hot one and very debatable, closing this would be a perfect remedy..This argrument is indeed going to go back and forth as long as conflicting points of view clash continuously..
This would be a fair argument if people didn't keep on "giving" Juggernaut powers, once the argument goes off of mere "fanatical assumptions" then logic is literally deviated from the argument itself..
My point in a nutshell is the argument on Juggernaut's strength, let me attempt at nulling out some points altogether:
1. Indeed in Jugg's profile he is 1) Invulnerable to physical pain BUT like I stated in my previous post "these are comics" things like physical invulnerability means NOTHING as either a superior or equally strong opponent overrides their invulnerability almost every time. If anyone in the comics were impervious to physical damage then they would never grimace when hit, or be knocked unconscious, saying Juggernaut can't be hurt by hulk's blows is false, we've seen their fights and both grimaced, grunted and reacted to the blows..Hulk can hurt Jug and vice versa..
2.Secondly, this argument should be based on what we "know" not what we "imply" about a character, we "know" hulk has infinite strength, we DO NOT know Jugg's limit so we CANT just say screw it and label his power inifinite, that's giving him "way too much" credit.(Like I said until I see it in print then that argument is always gonna rear its ugly head)..
I know the battle could go either way according to circumstances most comics indeed do, BUT my argument is a long lengthy fight to the death, The hulk doesn't have to raise his level "that much" to hurt juggernaut, as far as I've seen in previous battles they went back and forth meaning their power was "already" around the same area, in the "long run" I still do believe hulk has that advantage of getting angrier and toppling Juggernaut in the same manner in which he did the "physically invulnerable" Onslaught..
Originally posted by Tough Guy
it was stated in the comic killall at some point live with it it was unbreakable till hulk broke it
that was secondary adamantium. hulk cant break true adamantium 😉
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* im not sure u r right about grey hulk i dont think his strength increases, certainly not emphasised like savage or mindless hulk.
of coarse not... he has some intelligence to control it. but he has the madder/stronger ability.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* apoc would kick juggie shitless so he neednt worry, if him giving hulk a bit of celestial energy and a bit of a strength increase, ( something hulk can do himself might i add) then id hate to think what hed do , with celestail power and also limitless strength, thanks for proving what point numbskull?
and you know this how?? can you say rabid assumption?? i think so... if apoc wonders who's power is greater his, or juggernauts, apparently he doesnt know for sure if he would win 😉 but since you said it, it MUST be true.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
*nope ive seen hulk madder, he was much more insane against onslaught .
he was?? he said "hulk smash" thats about it. he was far from being on the virge of insanity 😉 rabbid assumptions i tell ya.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
also abomination has pissed him off many times.
many times doesnt mean it was the same intensity.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* tired didnt he whack juggie into amountain after he said that? when was savage hulk hurt by juggie??????mmmm wishing again?
read the issue before you speak... hulk screams out in pain when juggernaut grabs his hair and was going to break hulks neck. he hurt him 😉
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* onslough was waiting for one of the heroes to break his armour etc and release his spirit, hulk was the only one that could, thinking he was actually destroying him.
your point??? do you have one??
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* juggie just isnt in hulks strength league, hasnt proved so he isnt END
he hasnt proved it?? you mean a hulk on the virge of insanity with "unlimited strength" stated by your self.. couldnt over power him. then the next appearance beats him to a pulp, and in the most rescent confrontation hulk didnt extremely over power him... it wasnt all that much of a difference and hulk was exponentially boosted in power.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* hulks writers baloney, why in the new MARVEL trump cards is juggie put as weaker than hulk, thor, apoc and galactus ( obviously), and abom????
juggernaut has been severily depowered obviously. do you not read comics?? is that all you go by is cards?? juggernauts strength now... nowhere near what it was. neither is his durabilty. nor any other of his powers 😉 he cant even mentally summon his armor. i think hulk would kick the crap out of juggie/cain marko, not the TRUE juggernaut.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
hmmmmmmmethunks this guy was talking pudding mix my good man, seeing as now juggie is old and dead doesnt seem whoever said this had a clue.
he will be back... then what would you have to say?? the only reason he is depowered/dead is because the writer *chuck austen* didnt like him. but he will be back.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* for the last time he is not infinite in strength, invulnerability, forwadr momentum, whatever, he is not that powerful.
because you said??? i doubt it...
Originally posted by Tough Guy
nor is he that established a character, so marvel can pretty much piss about with him at will, hence his inconsitancies and bloody stupid powers,
i happen to like his powers. its all preference...
Originally posted by Tough Guy
i mean running in a direction, im invulnerable s what do i need , oh , a forcefield, ha ha ha ha, come to think of it this is not a debate, as soon as there is a story where a being is neede to stop juggieand beat him senseless it will fall to hulk,
hulk has tried, and failed 😉 if its going to anybody i'd say thor/surfer because they have the versatility to do the job. even then thor has tried also and succeeded once. oh and juggernaut rarely ever erects his forcefield.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
* DONT INSULT ME COS I HAVE TOO MUCH OF A LIFE TO SIT AND MEMORISE THE UPTEEN HUNDREDS OF COMICS IVE READ THROUGH MY LIFE, OR TAKE THE MICKY COS I ACTUALLY LIKE TO READ BIOS, TRUMP CARDS TO GET A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHARACTERS IVE ENJOYED READING ABOUT, SOMETHING I BELIEVE YOU NEED TO DO MORE KILL ALL.
actually this is your problem. the understanding comes from comics, where the cards etc are based off of 😉 and just because i'm on here once or twice a day doesnt mean i dont have a life... in fact you are the one probably without one. you certainly have time to look for my posts, and then post 3 - 4 times after them with absolutely irrelavant information 😉