Originally posted by The UnknownI think so...
My opinion is that Persephone is the mother. As forumcrew said, she was created to study the human psyche, which involves love. And when Neo says that the Oracle is the mother, the architect says "Please" sarcastically, which I think meant that Neo was wrong, but I may be incorrect.
Originally posted by markb287
The Oracle was not the Mother of the Matrix, or
he thought it was stupid to name Mother the Oracle.
But if the Oracle is the mother, then she would have knowledge of the destructions of Zion and the past ones.
Psyche: Nature, soul, being. Also includes such things as super-ego and the subconscious.
Emotions are something else.
As I’ve said countless times, someone is STILL to show me how Persephone is more motherly than the Oracle. The latter bakes cookies, hands out candy, gives advice and wears and apron! Persephone acts like a spoiled bored aristocrat.
Maybe she once did study emotions. Sampled them, to understand them. But now she can’t feel love anymore.
“… initially created to study certain aspects of the human psyche.”
“The Oracle.”
“Pleaasee. AS I was saying…”
Note the wording. The Architect may simply be annoyed because Neo interrupts him. Note the “as I was saying.” Or, that’s not her official system-name.
Yes, the Oracle has probably guided the previous Ones along the same path as Neo. Initially she studied the human psyche, now she acts as a system of control, foreseeing events and leading the One to the Source. Or acTED. She’s made the choice to help Neo (ETM). There are perhaps limits to how much she can diverge from her original programming, but she may be trying.
one thing... beign the mother of the matrix doesnt have to have shit to do with being motherly.. in the architects speach he says she stumbled upon a solution where meerly 99% of the... so on we all know it.. this does NOT mean she needs to be motherly at all.. im not saying this makes persephone the mother or make the oracle not the mother.. but im just saying the "mother" of the matrix does not at all need to be motherly
Forumcrew> THAT is of course perfectly possible. However: The machines do use names, that are related to human usage. The Architect – The Father of the Matrix (authority, creator, “god” as per freemason usage). Or what about names like The Oracle, the Keymaker, the Merovingian or – even - Persephone. The machines are obviously well aware of our connection to archetypes (making the name Architect even cooler).
So why even refer to himself as FATHER, if it’s not to be taken in a strict, even old-fashioned fatherly sense? And along the same line of reasoning, the “Mother” would have motherly traits.
YOU ARE NOT GETTING IT!!!
Guys,
This is my first post. I'm writing from Brazil. It's good to be with you.
Anyway, I believe that the mother of the Matrix should be a very old woman, someone who must control the 1% of the population who just can't accept the Matrix.
Ergo, this woman probably resides IN Zion and should be a very powerfull woman, correct? I think all of us here now believe that Zion is just another computer program to keep the 1% who can't accept the Matrix in control, correct? So this must be a woman who can really change things, someone who has a world of power. Someone who can keep the people and their soldiers (of Zion) on the path that the Machines want them to... meaning.... this is a woman that must have enough power as to control the path Zion is following.... a path that must follow the initial plan. Of Neo saving Zion and fulfilling the prophecy.
So, who is this woman? Remember the council hearing? Where Commander Lock is trying to convince the council that they need all the ships.... bla bla bla.... anyway. There is a very old woman who very clearly leads this meeting. She is the boss. She is the one who demands that two ships go after the Neb.....
Don't believe me? Why not? I'll show you....
Look, we all know that the machines came up with this The One program, to control the 1%. So, this womans job in Zion is to make sure that Morpheus gets Neo to the source. In order to do so, they need the Keymaker. They get him. But WHAT IF Niobe hadn't been there to save Morpheus when he falls off the truck? Agent Jones would have killed the Keymaker and then what? And what if there weren't two ships sent to aid the Neb? There would be no way to get Neo through the door in exactely 314 seconds.
So you see, guys, it was just to make sure Neo got there. What they didn't expect was for Neo to make the other decision, vis-à-vis, to choose the door on his right.
What do you all think?
YOU are not getting it...
treading on thin ice, dude...NO one, save myself, believes in MWAM anymore...and, as everyone else on this forum knows, i am a big proponent of purpose...everything happens exactly as it HAS to happen, because it is MADE to...also, the mother would NOT be in zion, unless she dies and is reincarnated so that her life is the same length as those humans...otherwise, around the 100th year, if not earlier, when people noticed she hasn't aged or grown feeble, they would get suspicious. the Mother is a program in the matrix, but not necessarily the oracle or persephone...i do not think the mother is either one of these programs, but rather another program...one we have not met yet, perhaps she is even incarnated in Kamala or Sati...i know not many other people think this way, so, waiting for opposing viewpoint...
the savior one problem is the mwam (the fact that zion is a program) has been about 99% surely disproved.. not until i see the movie i wont say 100% and the mother doesnt control those who dont accept it, she found a way to make 99% accept
the counciler wasnt the one.. hamman was the one who helped morpheous cause.. its a good idea.. just think theres too many holes and too many stretches..