Thanks mindbugaling. I know. And, I don't take them personally.
My words about ad hominem comments are for reasons of promoting rational discussion, not bruising nor strengthening, egos.
Whether aimed at me or anyone else, they distract from the subject at hand. What sets ad hominem apart is that they are addressed against the maker - whether true, false; a statement or a question of the originator. They in no way address the ideas themselves. The Greeks discovered over 2000 years ago that ad hominem statements devalue and lessen rational discussion, art music, etc. Just hoping to pass their fine points of discussion onto this modern medium. Anyways...
I don't think that having Persephone as the Mother of the Matrix requires that the Merovingian is the father. In Greek mythology, Peresphone spends part of her time in hades and part of her time on earth. So, her time could easily be split between the Merovingian and the Architect. I don't think that having her be the mother contradicts the obvious role of the Architect as father of the matrix.
I agree that Peresphone wouldn't have to be divine. The divine feminine is a just the name of a persona accredited with being the female half of the creator-god. The W Bros can throw out hints and innuendos, but a perfect fit would make things so obvious as to take all the fun out of it.
It'll be interesting to see how all our speculations pan out when Revolutions debuts next Wednesday. I can't wait got my tickets today off fandango.com.
Archpublican> Could you perhaps show me where I reject your claim based on some irrelevant fact about YOU?
An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument
“I don't think that having Persephone as the Mother of the Matrix requires that the Merovingian is the father.” But you use The Merovingians mythical connection to the Christian Jesus, to show Persephone must be the mother of the Matrix. As I see it, you can’t just “make” the Mero “divine”, and then forget HIS “divinity”. This is my main problem with your theory.
Also, if you want to utilize the mythological Persephone’s two “habitats” you have to somehow show a split of the Matrix, in an underworld and a world, inhabited by the Merovingian and Architect respectively.
In all articles where the people behind the movies discuss Persephone, she’s presented as an emotional vampire. This goes well with her role as the seductress on the heroes quest (like sirens and mermaids from folklore), and her “abuse” of the kiss. Her betrayal (or faked betrayal) of the Merovingian. I write fake in a parenthesis, as Neo’s quest is, all in all, another system of control.
ok pershopne i think could be the mother of the matrix cuz the architect says that the mother came up with the solution that all they needed is chice now persophone is a vampire right but a emotion vampire she sucks the emotions of the humans and feels what they feel so she can feel that they need choice and the machines want love she sucks love from neo in such a sense
Originally posted by TH3_0N3
r tushay but without chioce what is thier neo makes the choice to save trinity out of love?
Can you run that by me again? I don't understand the first part.
And that Neo makes a choice BASED on love, still does NOT make choice AN emotion, hence Persephone, as emotional vampire, could not learn about choice from being an... emotional vampire.
Originally posted by TH3_0N3
but love lead to choice shes not dumb! im not saying your wrong its just a possibiltiy
You write that she may FEEL that humans need a choice.
The Architect tells us that the Mother of the Matrix was an INTUITIVE program, that was INITIALLY created to study aspects of the human psyche.
An emotionl vampire doesn't sound very intuitive or as a psychologist, does it?
Psyche=being, nature, soul, the super-ego and subconscious. Emotions are something else. The Oracle, however, fits said description perfectly.
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Jedi> We should return to our regular scheduled debates and discussions when this... wave... have passed us.
Okay, it's a work-day tomorrow, so I'm off.
(Looks around and shakes fist at all spoiler-squiddies lurking in the dark corners of the web, just waiting to assault hapless forumites passing by).