God / Religion Thread [merged]

Originally posted by Darth Revan
I apologize for having an "attitude", but you really have no idea how many people come in here with views like yours, as well as saying things like "well your just stupid if you dont believe in god". Maybe I am being overly defensive, but from where I am, it doesn't look like you're a whole lot better.

What do you mean by my taking things out of context? I understand you being frusterated if I'm not understanding your point, but still... After three days of me asking pretty much the same question in every post you haven't answered me.

I've never said, you were stupid for not believing in God, nor have i said that to anyone else or implied that. I may have thought that LOL but i would never say that, thats not me 🙂 You state your opinion i state mine and thats that to me.

(Maybe I am being overly defensive, but from where I am, it doesn't look like you're a whole lot better.) What do you mean by this comment?
I've never implied that I am better than you at all, if thats what you mean by it.

What have i not answered? i've tried to answer what I could. I'm not the Bible answer Woman, hehe I answer the best I can, but it seems those answers are not good enough. Maybe i've missed a question, plz let me know. I've been in serveral threads about God, so maybe i'm getting them confused or something.
🙂

I wasn't meaning YOU had said that, I was just explaining what could probably be interpreted as an attitude... I only mean that a lot of idiots come in here saying that, and it's become a habit of mine to write everybody in these threads off as one of those people...

What do you mean by this comment?
I've never implied that I am better than you at all, if thats what you mean by it.

Actually, yes you have... I've never insulted you personally, just Christianity in general... And it seems to me that saying I'll never understand "the bigger plan" is indeed doing just what you described.

You still haven't answered my original question... The one so many people ask... If God loves us all, and is all powerful, why is there so much suffering? I explained originally the implausible answers I've gotten to that and why I don't believe them... Because if God could really do ANYTHING, he would make it so that there was both free will and no suffering.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
I wasn't meaning YOU had said that, I was just explaining what could probably be interpreted as an attitude... I only mean that a lot of idiots come in here saying that, and it's become a habit of mine to write everybody in these threads off as one of those people...

Actually, yes you have... I've never insulted you personally, just Christianity in general... And it seems to me that saying I'll never understand "the bigger plan" is indeed doing just what you described.

You still haven't answered my original question... The one so many people ask... If God loves us all, and is all powerful, why is there so much suffering? I explained originally the implausible answers I've gotten to that and why I don't believe them... Because if God could really do ANYTHING, he would make it so that there was both free will and no suffering.

Because God gave us Free will, and we have the right to chose. He made us to Love him but he gave us the choice. IF he stopped all sin, then he would be taking our Fee will from us. Cancer, disease, sickness illness, came from sin. Does only sinners get these, NO, cuz Adam & Eve Sinned therefore bringing sin bringing into human race. Sickness comes on the Just and the unjust. Just like speeding down the highway, you are warned about speeding but if you get caught you get a ticket. Copenhagen, right on the can warns you of cancer, but... peeps still dip.
if the bible is not real, why is there over tons of prophecys in the bible that have came to pass already. There's 2 thats not come to pass yet, rebuilding of the Temple, and Jesus coming back.

You're missing my point... if God was really all powerful to the extent that the bible claims, he would be able to give us BOTH free will AND rid us of all suffering. You could say that's impossible, but you could also say that it's impossible for a bush to be on fire without burning up. If you believe any of the miracles in the Bible actually happened, you can't deny that God is more powerful than any of us can conceive.

And what prophecies from the bible have come true? 😕

If im right about the Bible, then I will get to go to heaven and see my Father.
If i'm wrong, i'll die and turn to dust.
If your right, you will turn to dust.
but if your wrong, you will burn in hell for eternity
Now, what do i have to lose? absolutely nothing
What do you have to lose?

Well, now you're just beating around the bush... answer the question already!

The same could be said of my beliefs about Buddhism.

If I'm right about what Shakyamuni said, then I will be reincarnated as a human (as long as I continue to follow the eightfold path)
If I'm wrong, then I'll die and be food for the worms
But if you're wrong, you'll be reincarnated as a barnacle or something of the sort.
Now, what do I have to lose? Absolutely nothing.
What do you have to lose?

Originally posted by Darth Revan
You're missing my point... if God was really all powerful to the extent that the bible claims, he would be able to give us BOTH free will AND rid us of all suffering. You could say that's impossible, but you could also say that it's impossible for a bush to be on fire without burning up. If you believe any of the miracles in the Bible actually happened, you can't deny that God is more powerful than any of us can conceive.

And what prophecies from the bible have come true? 😕

Now how can he do that, if he gave free will, then we would have the choice to sin or not sin, right?
I guess i did miss your point, cuz i thought you wanted to know why those things happened, i've explained to you the best I can for the moment anyways as to why. He created us to love and worship him, and for us to chose him. He didn't create us to turn us into robots. Sin entered the world and this is what happened. He has a purpose when creating us,he's not finished w/that purpose. 🙂

Originally posted by Darth Revan
Well, now you're just beating around the bush... answer the question already!

The same could be said of my beliefs about Buddhism.

If I'm right about what Shakyamuni said, then I will be reincarnated as a human (as long as I continue to follow the eightfold path)
If I'm wrong, then I'll die and be food for the worms
But if you're wrong, you'll be reincarnated as a barnacle or something of the sort.
Now, what do I have to lose? Absolutely nothing.
What do you have to lose?

I have absolutely nothing to lose at all, if im right or wrong, is my point.
but if i'm right, you have everything to lose.
I don't believe what in reincanation at all.

yes, finti i believe the story of Noah

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
Thanks Finti, I thk so too

Well, personally I'm not ignorant enough to do that. Even my atheism comes after considering many other possible ways of life and selecting the most logical/rational/plausible option for myself.

If you are wrong then you will have spent much time and energy in this life to a false second existence. Whether you win or lose depends on how much of this life you dedicate to the possibility of a life after death and also how you look upon the world.

"I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is."

"If there is sin against life, it consists in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life."

-Albert Camus

meaning what?

the entire story is so bogus it is actually funny, just as an example. When the story was made the authors obviously didnt have any knowledge of spiecies that are limited to løibe in specific and remote areas of the world. Also the entire floodstory is found in other and older mythologies than that of the bible

There is also the problems of after the flood , for the sake of argument let say the carnivores became vegetarians for the duration of the flood (yeah right 🙄 )what about after the flood? The preadtors would have hunted down and eaten all of its pray making all animals extinct then they themself would have run out of food and died out

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
I have absolutely nothing to lose at all, if im right or wrong, is my point.
but if i'm right, you have everything to lose.
I don't believe what in reincanation at all.

No, because if I'm right and you're wrong... trust me when I say that being a moneran really sucks ass. Christianity is not the only religion on earth. If the ancient Egyptian religion is the correct one, you're also screwed. So saying that you have nothing to lose is absolutely incorrect. We all believe in our religions in the hope that they are correct. Not all of them can be right.

I know you don't believe in reincarnation at all, but I don't believe in the Christian God either.

I'll say it one more time: If God is truly all powerful, he can do ANYTHING--meaning that he can give us both free will and have it so there is no suffering in the world. How many times do I really have to say that? The Bible claims that God is powerful beyond human perception. If that is true, what I said should be possible.

And again you have failed to answer my question. I asked which prophecies from the Bible have come true.

Hmm....theological discussions......
I can't believe this thread was started by me, who was oft called a "satan-worshipper". 😈

Do you consider yourself that?

Not really. 😛
My religion is like one from Southern Africa, or the Middle-east I believe....
It says that quite a bit of the Bible was true, but that Satan repented, and before the End will take up his abode as the King of Earth beneath God.
My Religion also states that God had much to do, so he created many "semi-gods" that rule in his stead-satan was one of them.

Well, what is your religion... 😕

Repentance. 😎
or, as most may call it:
Paenitentia