God / Religion Thread [merged]

If you'd seen my previous posts you'd know that I'd been a catholic for most of my life and for the large part of it believed many of this things you believe right now. So yes, I have considered the possibility that you are correct in your beliefs. I am totally open minded in that I will consider any theory or question someone puts to me despite whether think I'll agree with it or not. You claim to be open to everything but you said earlier that you've never even considered the possibility that god may not exist. Does that not sound close minded? I didn't mean, has your faith ever weakened I more meant have you ever just looked at life for what it presents it self is and considered whether there is anything that suggests the existence of a god. In my previous posts I did suggest that you seem to have a blind faith in your religion (or Messiah) but if you think I'm wrong then say so. I never think that I'm totally right about anything and my comments are always open for debate.

i don't knw what your situation was, so i really can't comment, but I do know that God is always there, its up to us to give all of our problems to him and not try to do it all on are own, which most peeps try to do first, before giving it to him.

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Originally posted by The Omega
Oh, Noah again:
Why is it that there is nothing to show ALL animals we know of today originated from a SINGLE place (where the Ark touched down after the flood?). How did animals indigenous to Australia get all the way TO Australia?

Queeq>
1) So now the Bible says “world” and means “land”. Kinda difficult to know WHAT it means, isn’t it? Why then does the Bible say Noah took two of EACH species if only the species for ONE land?
2) There are flood-stories in many mythologies. Some geological studies suggest there was one after the last ice-age. But no studies to show all animals on the planet originate from ONE place. Of COURCE massive floods would pass down through history in oral legends.
3) Gensis 6:22
Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.
4) You first have to convince me the flood was only in taht area. Genesis 6:7
And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
So not just SOME men. Not just some beasts.

Hey I didn't write it. You wanted to know if the flood was fact and tehre is proof for it that is. And I did not say the Bible says "world" and "means "land". I SAID that the word used is "eretz" which both means world and land. Many words in hebrew have multiple meaning, it's an extremely poetic language which can in fact mean multiple things and in most cases the multiple thing do not contradict necessarily. In this case the question is more: what is the writer talking about, the world or the land.
You're moving into a very complicated issue here wuth science, ice ages, language, Sumerians... But it's pretty clear you don't care about the topic, your knowledge is limited and you show very little sign that you want to learn more about it. You just want to be right, so BE right. the Bible is all nonsense, you win. Good show.

FE I reckon asking for prove about that would be stretching it, but you never thought that might just be that you're subcontiously fooling yourself

Hehe Queeq TO just wants prove, she always wants prove, and that's hard to supply for most religions

Maybe that's just what he believes

Now could you both try to keep your cool?

You wanted to know if the flood was fact and tehre is proof for it that is

or you feel the wrath of a norse god

I know in Iceland the Norse mythology has gotten an upswing lately, gaining loads of new members. (if we can considerer what spears population Iceland has as loads😕 😄 ) I`ll check out the situation here in Norway, its time we got back on track again cracking some sculls down the european continent......... yet again.

Ohhhh Odin take this blood as a sacrifice for a good harvest this fall.
(looks for a swede to bring forth some blood 😈 )
Or a follower of Kvitikrist 😈 (the name the Norwegians/Vikings used for Jesus Christ ) It translate as white christ, name origin of all the pictures of Jesus illuminated by light that was shown by priests and monks

Just came across a website yesterday while I was aimlessly surfing that I think applies to this discussion. I read it and found I quite interesting, although I don't agree with everything it says. I was more interested in the concept of whether or not God and freedom can exist together, the two do seem to contradict each other. Check it out if you like: 🙂

http://www.osho.com/Topics/TopicsEng/UnderGod.htm

An excerpt;

All the religions believe that God created the world and also mankind. But if you are created by someone, you are only a puppet, you don't have your own soul. And if you are created by somebody, he can uncreate you any moment. He neither asked you whether you wanted to be created, nor is he going to ask you: "Do you want to be uncreated?"

Indeed. All I am saying is that it's far too easy to say there is no proof. I can't prove everything in the Bible is true, just as you can't prove it's all false. All we have is a document that claims to give its version of certain events. We can certainly look into this matter to see if such events took place, to see if tehre is a historical background for the story. In the case of Noah there is one, tehre are quite a few interesting archaeological finds that at least roughly corroborates the story: tha fact that a massive flood took place roughly around the time of the Noah of the Bible. The fact that pottery development can be traced back to the same area the Ark was supposed to have landed, the fact that Kurd legend has it that they are descended from the first civilisation, and they live in region where we can see by pottery that civilisation (Sumerian) started in that same area of Noah's landing place. So lots of that gives a historicla background. But no more than that either. There are no inscriptions with Noah's name, the Ark has not been found, but other details (like Noah being the first wine grower) is reflected in the ancient history of wine growing in that same region....
So no, I can't prove it's right, just as you can't prove it's wrong. But what archaeology tells us (and mind you, that's bloody limited) there is reason for acceptiong a historical background.

All in all, I think it's a tad dumb and very much ignorant to scream and shout that it's all made-up nonsense.

True I think there might have been a flood and Noach might have very well believed that the entire earth was flooded and he might have made that arc and saved (what he thought was two of every kind of animals) but I don't think the whole world was flooded and repopulated by noach, his animals and his family. There is just TOO MUCH evidence screaming for that to be a load of BS

*sigh* I explained that whole world thing twice now. I'm not going to do it again...

I know Queeq I read it, but I know FE will read my comment as well, and she believes in to the letter, and my version of it says world so 🙂

No. Your TRANSLATION in Dutch or English says so. But that story wasn't written in that language, so their is a higher source.

true but as you said the hebrew word can mean both Land and World, so I think it's up to linguists to decide what they want to make of it.

Originally posted by Jury
😂 poor souls ... they don't even know what "life" is... no2

Consider my point of view. If I wanted to be that arrogant and judgmental I could say you are a fool following the lies of generations and generations of fools who have come before you. Too caught up in your own delusions of self importance to grasp the simple grandeur of the life you are living. "They don't even know what 'life' is"? I too could say the very same thing about you my friend.

And they won't. It just shows what room there is for interpretation. Plus that it's not a random pick and choose of HOW you interpret. It's based on what you have. And I don't anyone can say which one the author meant. But if it does talk about "the land" and "mounds" (instead of mountains) being flooded (knowning that cities were built on mounds) then a) the story becomes quite credible and b) there is archaeological evidence to support such an event so c) the Bible may not be such a fairy tale book after all.
And that's basically all I'm trying to say.

Originally posted by WhiteEagle
If you'd seen my previous posts you'd know that I'd been a catholic for most of my life and for the large part of it believed many of this things you believe right now. So yes, I have considered the possibility that you are correct in your beliefs. I am totally open minded in that I will consider any theory or question someone puts to me despite whether think I'll agree with it or not. You claim to be open to everything but you said earlier that you've never even considered the possibility that god may not exist. Does that not sound close minded? I didn't mean, has your faith ever weakened I more meant have you ever just looked at life for what it presents it self is and considered whether there is anything that suggests the existence of a god. In my previous posts I did suggest that you seem to have a blind faith in your religion (or Messiah) but if you think I'm wrong then say so. I never think that I'm totally right about anything and my comments are always open for debate.

I'm sure that anyone that is a christian has at one time or another ask theirself "is there a God" and doubts there is... But Like i've said many times, God has done too much for me, i've seen him do healings, miracles, change peoples attitudes, pick someone up when they've reached rock bottom, put Love back into marriages, where Love was gone, there is NO way that anyone could convince me there is NO God. 🙂

Fire & QueeQ, I knw that in Hebrew words can have several meanings, but like QueeQ said, just as I can't prove to you that there is a God, There is no way you can prove to me there is a God. I can tell you all kinds of things that God has done, and you will just come back w/some other excuse. To me the bible is true, and God is sooooo real in my life. 🙂