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Well the whole idea about proving is to prove the possitive of something not the negative. But it doesn't matter, it's faith it can't be proven else it wouldn't be faith. I just don't believe in God (I believe in something just nothing that comes close to being called God) I do accept the possibility that there could be a god tho, I on the other hand DO NOT ACCEPT anything written in the bible except for the gospels themself, (atleast I think they are called gospels in english: those 4 "stories" about Jesus his life) All the other stuff is things that didn't come from jesus himself and there for I can't believe they could be the word of god. and even the 4 gospels have to be taken with a grain of salt, as in I don't believe it to the letter, tons of it is figure of speech.
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
i don't knw what your situation was, so i really can't comment, but I do know that God is always there, its up to us to give all of our problems to him and not try to do it all on are own, which most peeps try to do first, before giving it to him.
FE are you saying that if you hand your problems to God he will solve them for you?
at the risk of being ostracized and humiliated:
I for one am a catholic. So I believe in God, but my thoughts of Him have changed somewhat. In the Old Testament, God was the creator God, then an unforgiving God, the first sin, but then later on He became a destroyer God, e.g.: the flood, the destruction of the Canaanites by Abraham, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Then He was a jealous God: the tower of Babel. The saviour of a people enslaved in Egypt. The uncertain God: asking Abraham to sacrifice his son Ishmael, the torment of Job. In the New Testament He became through the ministry of Jesus a physical father to Jesus. A merciful and forgiving God. The Almighty without question.
Then he became a European God imaged something like the Greek god Zeus; as did Jesus: light to dark brown hair with blue eyes with European features. Then later on in time, God no longer interacted with man. People began to question, why does God allow evil to happen to the world, to men, to the children…why are there death, destruction and deadly diseases? Where is God?
It amazes me that for all of God’s benevolence and omnipotence and supreme divinity, that God throughout time has been fraught with all of humanities frailties and inequities: human emotions…Such is the powerful weapon of propaganda…
Most of you who believe in God will say to me that the God of the OT is not the same God in NT…that he is loving, merciful and all good qualities that we aspire to be…in spite of all that, the God of the NT no longer interacts with mankind but through prayer and faith…and to a select few through the power of healing that I sometimes see in televangelist programs, more out of curiosity than genuine belief…
But if God is supremely divine, the creator of things seen and unseen, we, in the image of Him, He who is above man, should God have human qualities? Such as: love, hate, jealousy, the power to set man against man…are we so weak of mind as to subject a thing so above us, as to lower that quality by associating God with human feelings? I’ve always thought, that a thing, God if you will, that is above man should be above all of man’s base emotions…even if it’s love, and mercy…
We cannot be God, as God cannot be us…it is because of this that my feelings for God no longer follow what God is or isn’t according to biblical text or to what others feel of Him…God, has been subjected, debated, studied, dissected, and engendered. God’s divine quality has also been identified as He/She/It…A Hebrew God, A Christian God, a Muslim God…He is white, he is black, he is Asian…and again to those with firm belief, devout will say that that just proves God is everything and everywhere…God is what you perceive him to be and conforms to what your disposition is. The vanity of man is beyond comprehension…
If God is anything, God is not what WE think God to be. There can be no description, no attached emotions, there is no comprehension of God, but that God is…God to me is not something that should be shoved down the throats of those who do not believe, nor do I feel that God will condemn those who’ve never heard of the Judeo-Christian or the Muslim God…I cannot answer what God is, nor will I attempt to do so. But God is not that is something so divine, so supreme, so above us that we should lower God to our level by stating that God is like us and not like us.
Originally posted by Fire
FE I reckon asking for prove about that would be stretching it, but you never thought that might just be that you're subcontiously fooling yourself
🙂 Hmmm someone is healed, miracles happening, attitudes changed, someone that smokes 4 ever, becomes born again & filled w/the spirtit and never picks up a cigarette, and that would be my subcontious. I don't think so, its God!! 🙂
Originally posted by Fëanor
at the risk of being ostracized and humiliated:I for one am a catholic. So I believe in God, but my thoughts of Him have changed somewhat. In the Old Testament, God was the creator God, then an unforgiving God, the first sin, but then later on He became a destroyer God, e.g.: the flood, the destruction of the Canaanites by Abraham, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Then He was a jealous God: the tower of Babel. The saviour of a people enslaved in Egypt. The uncertain God: asking Abraham to sacrifice his son Ishmael, the torment of Job. In the New Testament He became through the ministry of Jesus a physical father to Jesus. A merciful and forgiving God. The Almighty without question.
Then he became a European God imaged something like the Greek god Zeus; as did Jesus: light to dark brown hair with blue eyes with European features. Then later on in time, God no longer interacted with man. People began to question, why does God allow evil to happen to the world, to men, to the children…why are there death, destruction and deadly diseases? Where is God?
It amazes me that for all of God’s benevolence and omnipotence and supreme divinity, that God throughout time has been fraught with all of humanities frailties and inequities: human emotions…Such is the powerful weapon of propaganda…
Most of you who believe in God will say to me that the God of the OT is not the same God in NT…that he is loving, merciful and all good qualities that we aspire to be…in spite of all that, the God of the NT no longer interacts with mankind but through prayer and faith…and to a select few through the power of healing that I sometimes see in televangelist programs, more out of curiosity than genuine belief…
But if God is supremely divine, the creator of things seen and unseen, we, in the image of Him, He who is above man, should God have human qualities? Such as: love, hate, jealousy, the power to set man against man…are we so weak of mind as to subject a thing so above us, as to lower that quality by associating God with human feelings? I’ve always thought, that a thing, God if you will, that is above man should be above all of man’s base emotions…even if it’s love, and mercy…
We cannot be God, as God cannot be us…it is because of this that my feelings for God no longer follow what God is or isn’t according to biblical text or to what others feel of Him…God, has been subjected, debated, studied, dissected, and engendered. God’s divine quality has also been identified as He/She/It…A Hebrew God, A Christian God, a Muslim God…He is white, he is black, he is Asian…and again to those with firm belief, devout will say that that just proves God is everything and everywhere…God is what you perceive him to be and conforms to what your disposition is. The vanity of man is beyond comprehension…
If God is anything, God is not what WE think God to be. There can be no description, no attached emotions, there is no comprehension of God, but that God is…God to me is not something that should be shoved down the throats of those who do not believe, nor do I feel that God will condemn those who’ve never heard of the Judeo-Christian or the Muslim God…I cannot answer what God is, nor will I attempt to do so. But God is not that is something so divine, so supreme, so above us that we should lower God to our level by stating that God is like us and not like us.
🙂 God has always warned people before destruction comes, even now people are being warned, he is coming back and if you're not ready, destruction will come. Jesus paid the price therefore Mercy and Grace has taken place. God hates sin that bad....he warned before he destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah, God told Johan to warn Nineva, or he would destroy it, and they turned from their wicked way and he did not destroy, Abraham Did not scrifice he's son, yes he was asked to but...God never allowed that to happen, he wanted to see would Abram do that for me, and he found out yes he would, but God wanted to find out if he LOVED God as much as God loved him, cuz God was going to send his Son to save the world. 🙂
ok, someone always tries to say there is reasons for healings and miracles lol but the funny thing is Doctors can't explain it when these things happen, so how can anyone else? they can't, they just refuse the possibility thats its God, they don't want it to be God, cuz destruction will come, i'ts written in the bible.
Originally posted by Fire
FE are you saying that if you hand your problems to God he will solve them for you?
🙂 Yes thats what i'm saying, i believe if you trust in God, he will work things out for you, in his time not ours. Often we get in a hurry and can't wait and try to do it on are own, then we make a mess of things. 🙂
God is a concept...nothing more. He's is a supreme being thought up in the mind of all that believe in him. Believers look to this imaginary Being for strength in times of need, and guidence in times of trouble.
People claim to look to God for guidance, when infact, they are just looking deep within themselves.
In that respect, we all believe in God. What the bible has done to him is nothing more than make him a celebrity.
Originally posted by Fire
thought soWell the whole idea about proving is to prove the possitive of something not the negative. But it doesn't matter, it's faith it can't be proven else it wouldn't be faith. I just don't believe in God (I believe in something just nothing that comes close to being called God) I do accept the possibility that there could be a god tho, I on the other hand DO NOT ACCEPT anything written in the bible except for the gospels themself, (atleast I think they are called gospels in english: those 4 "stories" about Jesus his life) All the other stuff is things that didn't come from jesus himself and there for I can't believe they could be the word of god. and even the 4 gospels have to be taken with a grain of salt, as in I don't believe it to the letter, tons of it is figure of speech.
🙁 you've kinda contradicted yourself, hun. If you believe in the gospels, Jesus said, he was the Son of God, and Jesus healed & performed many miracles in the gospels.
Hmmm someone is healed, miracles happening, attitudes changed, someone that smokes 4 ever, becomes born again & filled w/the spirtit and never picks up a cigarette, and that would be my subcontious. I don't think so, its God!!
ok, someone always tries to say there is reasons for healings and miracles lol but the funny thing is Doctors can't explain it when these things happen, so how can anyone else? they can't, they just refuse the possibility thats its God, they don't want it to be God, cuz destruction will come, i'ts written in the bible.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
name a legitament healing or miracle that you can prove happened...God didn't make you put down the cigarette sweetie...it was actually you conscience.
God took the desire for a cigeratte away! 🙂
There's a man in our church has has the same dr. same hospital for years, he had heart problems and God put a new valve in there for him, even the dr. told him, it had to be from God, its never been there before and it appeared.
A little girl in our church, had some disease that dealt w/her legs, they started cramping and hurting til it got to where she couldn't walk, she had been to doctors and doctors i can't think of the name of it (her dad even took a leave from the army cuz his daughter was real sick) but she came before the church got prayed for and she had an appointment aat the doctors and her mom said, could you pls run those test again, they said we've already run them and have her diagnosis, she insisted for them to run the test so, they did, and it was gone, there was NO sign of it at all.
Another lady had uterus cancer, and was healed
Another lady, had headaches for over 7 years, there wasn't a day that went by that she didn't take something (4 to 6 pills aday & the max amount was suppose to be 2), it was so bad that she had developed ulsers in her stomach from taking so much stuff...Finally she gave it all to God and asked for healing and he did, she hasn't taken anything for headaches since March 25
God does does miracles and healings, I believe in him, trust him, I love him and he loves me. 🙂
again i reiterate...the vanity of man(or woman) is beyond comprehension that we who are below God, should elevate our status as to lower God's by attaching very human qualities on a divine being that is beyond all human frailties in order to associate our understanding of a thing that is beyond our limited minds can comprehend...
God for me is...
what is written, what is debated, and what is thought of is...human
and what is human no matter how good the intention is and can be corrupted to suit the needs of the time or at the time so as to create as powerful an impact on our needs and desire to understand a thing that cannot be understood...
FE your faith and belief is unshakeable(sp) and that is to be commended, but in your humanity you are flawed...and that is something God is not...
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
God took the desire for a cigeratte away! 🙂There's a man in our church has has the same dr. same hospital for years, he had heart problems and God put a new valve in there for him, even the dr. told him, it had to be from God, its never been there before and it appeared.
A little girl in our church, had some disease that dealt w/her legs, they started cramping and hurting til it got to where she couldn't walk, she had been to doctors and doctors i can't think of the name of it (her dad even took a leave from the army cuz his daughter was real sick) but she came before the church got prayed for and she had an appointment aat the doctors and her mom said, could you pls run those test again, they said we've already run them and have her diagnosis, she insisted for them to run the test so, they did, and it was gone, there was NO sign of it at all.
Another lady had uterus cancer, and was healed
Another lady, had headaches for over 7 years, there wasn't a day that went by that she didn't take something (4 to 6 pills aday & the max amount was suppose to be 2), it was so bad that she had developed ulsers in her stomach from taking so much stuff...Finally she gave it all to God and asked for healing and he did, she hasn't taken anything for headaches since March 25
God does does miracles and healings, I believe in him, trust him, I love him and he loves me. 🙂
Those are called "hear-say"
can you please provide a reference of some sort? Or was this just something that your pastor told you on Sunday?