every time you say that it comesw across like ppl who do that are idiots who don't know any better and who really just don't want to believe in god. which is NOT True. I just said I would consider it a miracle, I just wouldn't consider it being of Divine Origin. And there is enough reason to believe it has another origin than there is reason to beleive it has a divine origin.
Originally posted by Fire
every time you say that it comesw across like ppl who do that are idiots who don't know any better and who really just don't want to believe in god. which is NOT True. I just said I would consider it a miracle, I just wouldn't consider it being of Divine Origin. And there is enough reason to believe it has another origin than there is reason to beleive it has a divine origin.
NO, thats not what i'm saying. I'm saying just what i said, you can see a miracle for yourself and you will still come up w/another reason for it happening.
Just like in the bible, when the begger died and he went to hell, he asked
Luke 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
He was asking if one came from the dead then he's brothers would listen, and he was telling him no they wouldn't if Moses and the prophets couldn't persuaded them the dead that rose wouldn't. Its the same thing here, you're not going to view it as a miracle. 🙂
no I said: " I just said I would consider it a miracle, I just wouldn't consider it being of Divine Origin."
and you said:"Its the same thing here, you're not going to view it as a miracle."
see, I said I would consider it a mircale just not a divine one, you just said I would not going to view it as a miracle.
FE>
I asked if including dinosaurs wouldn’t have made the Bible more credible, to which you replied “Not to ME.” I didn’t ask if including dinosaurs would’ve made the Bible more credible to you, as you already believe in this book by your own account, so asking THAT would’ve been a moot point.
Are you unable to tell the difference between the two questions?
For the fourth time: And once again: Where in the Bible quotes you posted does it say ANYTHING about the different colours of humans appearing. You keep claiming it does, and I can’t see the word colour anywhere.
Queeq> Well, he said she said I said… When people have problems with their short-term memory it is sometimes necessary to remind them what’s been said. OR check the previous interaction between FE and Fire. 🙄
To those who believe in Miracles>
Are they the work of God? Does God then intervene? Is that against our free will?
Morning star> But if God gave us choice to do whatever we want, this parent is letting his children do what they please – even if they’re not ready for the responsibility or know the full consequences of their actions. How can we – in your belief system?
Why is the alternative to total free will being a mindless puppet? What about free will under the caring supervision of a caring parent?
”And God does take care of us, he loves us - he always has and he always will not matter what you do or think.”
He does? How does God take care of people being raped, murdered, molested and tortured? Don’t you think these people would prefer Gods intervention to him just sitting idly by and letting the horrors happen?
If God is a loving caring God, who would want the least amount of suffering for his people, then what the **** is going on? Where is he? If he was all powerful, and wanted us to worship him, couldn't he make us do it? Oh that's right, he gave us freedom of choice, implying that we can do what we want, and he should STILL be looking over us. Well, where is he? Don't give me those single person miracles bullshit speeches(i.e. i know some guy who was cured of cancer! god healed him!), I think it's about time this God started working on a global level. World hunger, peace, something on a major scale.
He created us to worship him, and then gave us the choice not too? Sounds backwards.
God Desires worship cuz he desires commun w/you, a releationship with you. to praise him, yes he LOVES It, don't you like it when your kids tell you you did a great job on something, there's no difference God likes that too.
world hunger, peace, ect...We have choices in life, we create those things not God. How many people in this world, do have the capacity to do that, but do they? NO, some do most dont, we need to help ourself, Praise God, worship God, and what he can and will do in your life will blow your mind. WE have the choice, we are not puppets.
God is always there for us, thru the good times and the bad times. God never promised us it would be easy, we have choices in life, we are not puppets. He's ALWAYS there no matter what, but how we will act to the situation says alot. you can't just praise him in the good times, you have to praise him in the bad times too.
When you are married, or have a gf/bf, do you try to work things out in the bad times, or do you jst quit? Same thing w/God, you can't quit, never quit trying.
I don't have kids, and even if I did, sure it's nice, but it wouldn't be a must, like you are making it out to be.
No one person on this planet has the capacity to end world hunger, or make absolute peace. It is human nature to be violent. Hey, why'd God make us that way...?
If God is supposed to help us, why are we supposed to help our selves? He's all powerful right? Why doesn't he snap his fingers and make everything good again? Why doesn't he cure my grandmother of her cancer, if his love is unconditional? Why would I HAVE to pray to gt God to cure my grandmother, if he love s me and my family anyway? Or my uncles for that matter? It seems to me as if God is absent. Maybe he's on vacation?
Sorry, but until this "God" ups and shows himself, or does something convincing, I am on my own, and like it that way.