he didnt had so childhood trouble, remember he had alfred, who was a friend of the family, and became his father and mother.and i dont assume he was happy cos he had money, what i said is, with money backgound he focused into training to get his revenge,saying the trauma is too strong who cares ? both bruce and peter still have nightmare about thei acident, and bruce only saw their parents be mudered, peter HAD part on his beloved uncle murder, imagine the pressure that makes on u.
GET OUT OF THIS FORUM, u dont belong here.
batman faces mostly non superhuman people, put him to fight spiderman villlians, how dare u think a normal person can fight titania or doc octopus without powers u moron.(sorry for the personal offense but i got to let that out)
peter Is a hero without the suit, he was choosen by that spider to be spiderman. i cant imagina batman going to the sewers rescuing a cat, o catching a girls baloon, well spiderman done that , thats what i call a TRUE hero, he is always there to help those who need.
batman is no hero,he is a legend, but he uses his enemies as sparring to compensate the pain he suffered as a kid.the first seeked for revenge on the underground.later he neeeded a something else,and batman came out, cos he needed to impose fear into them
about mj not forgiving she always does suffers everytime peter leaves with the suit, but she alwasy forgive him for her loving being great than that. u dont know nothing about spiderman so u cant make poinst like that, talk about batman in contra offensive, and about spiderman talk we.and i doubt after having a venom if bruce would come back to be batman he would freak like a coward chicken, he not unfeared as much as spiderman, people think spiderman witty and jokes are becoujse he dont take his enemy seriouly, but he is only hiding his fear for such a great oponent while making up a strategy on how to defeat them and making them more vulnerable after going mad at him. and bruce all he does is to protect his heart behind the mask.pretending not to feel fear love or harthred.
as captain america showed once
"the mask serves to hide the face,not the heart"
woah take it down a notch ok r.j im am not being mean but do you have beef with batman lovers alright spidey is ace but batman is alright as well dont complty shatter peoples faith in the darknight you and i know he would get his roden ass kicked by our faviroute arachnid hero but we dont need you blowing a gasket and havign a heart attack proving it ok
Originally posted by Lenord
Bruce might have had money but he saw his parents being shot dead right in front of him when he was a kid for gods sake (Maybe 10/11). He lost his whole family and his whole world came crashing down on him at that age, can you imagine what that is like. At that moment Bruce lost his childhood, at least Spider-Man had a normal, loving family life until he got bit by the spider as a teenager, I think Bruce would have done anything to get the years Peter had with his family. You see Peter might have had a lot of money trouble but at least he had his aunt to talk to, to see and take care of him. You assume that because Bruce did not put on the mantle of Batman until he was a bit more grown up than Peter you assume he had an easier childhood. I think he had a much more difficult childhood than Peter, because while Peter had his friends and family, Bruce was going to boarding schools, studing hard with almost a non exesting social life, training his body to the very limits in preparation for when he would put on the costume of Batman. Unlike Peter, being Batman was a decision that Bruce made at a very yound age, and everything after that in his life has been getting prepared for that task.The thing is how many of you belive that Peter would have become a super hero if he was not bitten by a spider (I am gessing 0). If he was not bittin by the spider and came back home one day and found that his Aunt and Uncle were killed by a burgalar I think that he would deal with it like any other person and grieved for a time and then try and get on with his life. I don't see him suddly going into training to become a superhero and there is the fundamental difference and why I am always saying that Bruce has more determination than Peter.
Spider-Man isn't as angry as Batman, but that doesn't make his determination or willpower any less. Apart from the death of his parents, Bruce Wayne had all the luck in the world compared to Peter Parker. He inherited an enormous amount of money, an extremely loyal butler is his best friend, he's (mostly) good friends with the police (chief Gordon), has a good press, is very well respected among his colleague heroes, has no financial worries and can get any woman he wants. Despite the fact he's just a normal person who can be killed with one bullet, everybody fears and respects him.
Peter Parker, on the other hand, has none of this. He became an orphan at an early age, grew up with his aunt and uncle and was the school nerd. Later, when he was older, he had trouble finishing high school and worked for Jameson, who hates Spider-Man. Despite his amazing powers and adventures, he still had trouble dating women and paying the rent. Despite the fact he has beaten many powerhouses and he has saved NYC more than once, he still has a questionable reputation, and tends to get underestimated.
=> Peter Parker had and has it much more difficult than Bruce - I went to very expensive schools and have my own butler - Wayne. But still, he never gives up, and is considered as one of the most strongwilled persons in Marvel.
Originally posted by Spiderman_RJ
he didnt had so childhood trouble, remember he had alfred, who was a friend of the family, and became his father and mother.and i dont assume he was happy cos he had money, what i said is, with money backgound he focused into training to get his revenge,saying the trauma is too strong who cares ? both bruce and peter still have nightmare about thei acident, and bruce only saw their parents be mudered, peter HAD part on his beloved uncle murder, imagine the pressure that makes on u.
This just shows how little you know about human emotions and reactions. He was 10/11 years old when he saw his parents brutally shot right infront of him. Can you imagine the nightmares he would have had every night for the next 2/3 years, fearing that those people would be coming back for him (at that age you don't know any better). I suspect that is one of reasons he started training so hard at such a yound age, so that he would not have to be scared of them anymore. I suspect that after the incident he would not even sleep alone in his room for a long time and I suspect he was afraid of the dark... And lastly can you imagine what Bruce must feel like when he looks back at that time and sees how helpless he was, and how he stood there in fear and did nothing while his parents were killed (for those who are going to mention that he was only a kid at the time should be aware of the fact that emotions very rearly deal with facts).
So for you to say "bruce only saw their parents be mudered, peter HAD part on his beloved uncle murder, imagine the pressure that makes on u." betrays you. Imagine you get a knock on your door when you were/are 16/17 and a policeman says that your father is dead, and then later on realise that you could have prevented it from happening. Personnaly I would feel guilt, anger and overwhelming sadness. Now imagine you are 10/11 walking down an alley/street and someone with a gun comes out of the shadow and tries to rob your parents, then in front of your eyes kills your parents while you are so scared you piss your pants. I am sorry but if that was me, I would never feel safe again, every shadow could conceal the murderer, I would not leave the house or be left alone at night for a long time after that...
Sure Bruce had Alfred, and he is in the end a sarvent and I don't see him as the type to cross the boundries of thier master/servent relationship, I am sure he was close to Bruce and a lot of comfort to him and is probably the closest person to him... but it just is not the same.
That is why I always think that Bruce is made of a sturner stuff than Peter because he has been through so much more and come out of it.
Originally posted by Spiderman_RJ
GET OUT OF THIS FORUM, u dont belong here.
batman faces mostly non superhuman people, put him to fight spiderman villlians, how dare u think a normal person can fight titania or doc octopus without powers u moron.(sorry for the personal offense but i got to let that out)
peter Is a hero without the suit, he was choosen by that spider to be spiderman. i cant imagina batman going to the sewers rescuing a cat, o catching a girls baloon, well spiderman done that , thats what i call a TRUE hero, he is always there to help those who need.
batman is no hero,he is a legend, but he uses his enemies as sparring to compensate the pain he suffered as a kid.the first seeked for revenge on the underground.later he neeeded a something else,and batman came out, cos he needed to impose fear into them
Get your facts right please (I hate it when people don't get thier facts right and then tell other people to "get out of this forum" or to "shut up"😉. Batman is a part of the JLA, in fact Batman/Superman are the most respected/feared members of the JLA (by the members at least) and they deal with Superhuman, Cosmic, and Mistical enemies all the time and Batman always plays a crucial part in the fights... so please quit all the "Batman mostly deals with humans" argument. And if you read Batman's comic you will realise that it is the human villans who are more dangerous that the Superhumans because they don't depend on thier strength to make a statement they use deadly methods (not to mention that they are all just plain crazy)... Let me ask you a question, how many of spiderman's villans are actually mass murderers, because almost all of Batman's villans are mass murderers who only live to add to thier tally.
As for the whole "spider choosing Peter" thing that is just something that was recently put in to add mysticism to the whole spider-man story (which in my opinoin is such a terrible idea, and I don't lay much credence to it). If your idea of a true hero is some one who rescues cats and baloon's then only Superman and a few others qulify in the whole comic universe (in all DC/Marvel/Dark horse/others). Of course Batman would not do such a thing, he would be too busy tring to keep the city safe from murderers, drugdealers and just plain crazy ****ed up people.
Spider-man is a part time hero who only gets involved when some super powered freak shows up or he comes accross a crime, while crime fighting is a full time job for Batman. He is someone with a job to do, he deals with the lowest scums of the earth (much like Daredevil).
whatever, thiS Thread is Uselless, keeP saying It, go aheaD batman wins for you,ok. but as u are talking about him, i´m gona go back to earth .cos the MOon was neveR my hOme."doNt know human emotion......."its a comics for sake.......if ur uncle died becouse of u ..well
aBout this whATever ,aFter thAt NoBOdY can have a proper discussion here.
Originally posted by Lenord
So for you to say "bruce only saw their parents be mudered, peter HAD part on his beloved uncle murder, imagine the pressure that makes on u." betrays you. Imagine you get a knock on your door when you were/are 16/17 and a policeman says that your father is dead, and then later on realise that you could have prevented it from happening. Personnaly I would feel guilt, anger and overwhelming sadness. Now imagine you are 10/11 walking down an alley/street and someone with a gun comes out of the shadow and tries to rob your parents, then in front of your eyes kills your parents while you are so scared you piss your pants.
this happesn a lot in my country, and people move on, the kids are already used to guns and gunfire.so what he cries for 2 weeks, feells sorrow for 2 months and will always remember but thats all.why u thinnk only he would be bold to do it. other wise after everymurder we should see a new batman.or at least a nightwing.
and i worked with kids before they get over after 4 months or so like 6 , but if they see a situation like that with someone else they freeze so no way bruce would face hsi childhood fears(in a material way i mean) thats no logical for a kid, thats why i say he alwasy been a psychotic sado freaken 💃 💃
Originally posted by LenordSure Bruce had Alfred, and he is in the end a sarvent and I don't see him as the type to cross the boundries of thier master/servent relationship, I am sure he was close to Bruce and a lot of comfort to him and is probably the closest person to him... but it just is not the same.
you say that SH1T to me , and say IM AM THE ONE WHO DOESNT KNWO BATMAN !??!!?!?!?! MUAHIUAUAHAUAHAHHAAHA
i wish to say SHUT UP! but this is a forum and all posting is worth his writter personal opinion. 🙄
ok u have good points about batman in ur last post, buuuuuuuuut. i mean batman even if with a free time wouldntdo those, and i agree a 100% with the mystic spider bullcrap.in marvel gold age ,every powers was son of radiactive.
about mass murderers its becouse since espiderman was concept this was not the line of marvel, that something i like about batman.
the JLA ting is not much aceptble (ok hes a normal human so is a big deal) cos spiderman only didnt joined the avengers cos the prime minister belived he was a treat
to be truth ive never read a jla comics with batman featuring it, cos it does not exist on my country. but i see the good part of batman at the JLA cartoon. and just love it.
but remember we are talking about fight
spiderman wins and its over; 😆 😆 💃 💃 😠
Originally posted by who?-kid
Batman fights crime because he's angry about the fact that some low life villain killed his parents, Spider-Man fights crime because he feels guilty about the death of his beloved uncle Ben.
Look, read more than just a couple of issues of Batman, before making comments like these. Bruce did not become Batman because he was angry at the death of his parents. If that was the reason then the first thing he would have done was find the people who were responsible and kill them off, because if he had been seething with anger all that time by the time he was ready nothing could have stopped him from doing that. Batman is a man that gets angry very rearly, he is a cool, calm person. The reason he does what he does is that he knows that the law can not always handle some of the villans in Gotham, and he wants to clean up his town. He does not want what happened to him to happen to another person, that is not anger.
Originally posted by who?-kid
Spider-Man isn't as angry as Batman, but that doesn't make his determination or willpower any less. Apart from the death of his parents, Bruce Wayne had all the luck in the world compared to Peter Parker. He inherited an enormous amount of money, an extremely loyal butler is his best friend, he's (mostly) good friends with the police (chief Gordon), has a good press, is very well respected among his colleague heroes, has no financial worries and can get any woman he wants. Despite the fact he's just a normal person who can be killed with one bullet, everybody fears and respects him.Peter Parker, on the other hand, has none of this. He became an orphan at an early age, grew up with his aunt and uncle and was the school nerd. Later, when he was older, he had trouble finishing high school and worked for Jameson, who hates Spider-Man. Despite his amazing powers and adventures, he still had trouble dating women and paying the rent. Despite the fact he has beaten many powerhouses and he has saved NYC more than once, he still has a questionable reputation, and tends to get underestimated.
=> Peter Parker had and has it much more difficult than Bruce - I went to very expensive schools and have my own butler - Wayne. But still, he never gives up, and is considered as one of the most strongwilled persons in Marvel.
Ok, that is a bit one sided isn't it. You assume that because Bruce is rich he somehow had an easy life... Lets get some facts straight here...
1.) Bruce had to work damn hard for many years to become Batman, what did Peter do... He got bitten by a spider and before the day is over he gets blessed by all these powers... I think Peter had it pretty easy here
2.) Bruce was orphaned at the age of 11/10, there were shot infront of him, he lost his childhood at that time. Peter was orphaned at a very young and does not even remember them ( he does not really feel thier loos because he did not know them ), but he had a father and mother as he grew up in his aunt and uncle, he had a happy family life until the death of his uncle when he was 16/17 and his aunt is almost indistructible (had a number of health problems, operations, died and came back to life, how lucky can Peter get).... again I think Peter had it better here
3.) Peter had trouble with school and girls when he was young, but so what, so do most people at one time or another, at least he ended up dating two of the most beautiful girls he knew (there was even a time when they were fighting over him) and even ended up marring one, he also had a number of good friends. Bruce was so fucused on studing and training that he had very little time for a social life when he was young. People assume that Bruce had it easy because he went to the best schools and had the best teachers to train him, but they forget that he was there to work hard so that he would be ready to become Batman. He was the top of his class and as anyone would tell you that is not an easy thing to accomplish, especailly when you are also working hard to be at the peak of your phisical ability. They both have their ups and downs but I think that in the end Peter had more fun...
4.) Spider-Man has bad press, that can not be denied but you have to remeber that it was only the Daily Bugle that was giving him bad press the other newspapers gave a more acurate depiction of Spider-Mans deeds. In fact by Amazing 200 people had started to see through Jamesons ranting and his newspaper was loosing cerculation because he was bagging Spider-Man and the police had held a press confrence saying that Spider-Man was innocent of all charges and was not wanted by the police long before that, so that hasn't been a big problem for him for a while now. Batman might not have been persecuted as badly as Spider-Man (I don't think he would have cared much though), but he wasn't on the cops good side to begin with either. He was seen as a vigilanti and the cops were after him for a while until he went to talk to Gorden and set things straight. In terms of the public and press Spider-Man has had a more difficult time (I will give you that).
5.) Now we come to the one that everyone mentions, the money. Bruce obviously has no problems with money and Peter has. Peter had a lot of money trouble and did end up working for Jameson, but that did not have to be the case. Once Jameson fired Peter and he went to work for the competition, where he got a much better pay and his own office. Peter also likes working for Jameson saying he gets a kick out of having Jameson paying Spider-Man for the pictures. Even so no one can argue that when it comes to money Peter has it though and Bruce has it easy.
So lets recap... Peter was a nobody who got lucky and got bit by a Spider and got his powers, he lost his uncle and blames himself for it. After he got his power his confidence grew, fought villanes, got some bad press, got a couple of new friends (both super and normal), got a lot of money problem, dated some girls (Beth, Gwen, MJ, Black Cat and a few in-between), got some school problems and ended up suing Jameson for liable.
Now Bruce, saw his parents killed before his eyes when he was 10/11, got scared for life, went to the best schools and teachers to train for a couple of years, learnt a number of combat and crimefighting techniques, closed himself of to the rest of the world and set himself the task of cleaning up Gotham City. Not much of a serious love interest but has a reputation as a playboy.
==> Bruce Wayne had a much more difficult life than Peter - I have given up more times than anyone else - Parker. This guy has given up being Spider-Man more times than I can remember and this is the guy you called "the most strongwilled person in Marvel"... Man the guy can't make up his mind.
Ahhh.... what was the whole point of this argument anyway, I have forgotten...
Originally posted by Lenord
1.) Bruce had to work damn hard for many years to become Batman, what did Peter do... He got bitten by a spider and before the day is over he gets blessed by all these powers... I think Peter had it pretty easy here2.) Bruce was orphaned at the age of 11/10, there were shot infront of him, he lost his childhood at that time. Peter was orphaned at a very young and does not even remember them ( he does not really feel thier loos because he did not know them ), but he had a father and mother as he grew up in his aunt and uncle, he had a happy family life until the death of his uncle when he was 16/17 and his aunt is almost indistructible (had a number of health problems, operations, died and came back to life, how lucky can Peter get).... again I think Peter had it better here
3.) Peter had trouble with school and girls when he was young, but so what, so do most people at one time or another, at least he ended up dating two of the most beautiful girls he knew (there was even a time when they were fighting over him) and even ended up marring one, he also had a number of good friends. Bruce was so fucused on studing and training that he had very little time for a social life when he was young. People assume that Bruce had it easy because he went to the best schools and had the best teachers to train him, but they forget that he was there to work hard so that he would be ready to become Batman. He was the top of his class and as anyone would tell you that is not an easy thing to accomplish, especailly when you are also working hard to be at the peak of your phisical ability. They both have their ups and downs but I think that in the end Peter had more fun...
4.) Spider-Man has bad press, that can not be denied but you have to remeber that it was only the Daily Bugle that was giving him bad press the other newspapers gave a more acurate depiction of Spider-Mans deeds. In fact by Amazing 200 people had started to see through Jamesons ranting and his newspaper was loosing cerculation because he was bagging Spider-Man and the police had held a press confrence saying that Spider-Man was innocent of all charges and was not wanted by the police long before that, so that hasn't been a big problem for him for a while now. Batman might not have been persecuted as badly as Spider-Man (I don't think he would have cared much though), but he wasn't on the cops good side to begin with either. He was seen as a vigilanti and the cops were after him for a while until he went to talk to Gorden and set things straight. In terms of the public and press Spider-Man has had a more difficult time (I will give you that).
5.) Now we come to the one that everyone mentions, the money. Bruce obviously has no problems with money and Peter has. Peter had a lot of money trouble and did end up working for Jameson, but that did not have to be the case. Once Jameson fired Peter and he went to work for the competition, where he got a much better pay and his own office. Peter also likes working for Jameson saying he gets a kick out of having Jameson paying Spider-Man for the pictures. Even so no one can argue that when it comes to money Peter has it though and Bruce has it easy.
I don't say he bought his diploma's, I know he worked hard and studied hard for it, but still, you can't compare exclusive schools to the schools Peter attended. Bruce Wayne was taught by the best, Peter Parker had to learn most all by himself.So lets recap... Peter was a nobody who got lucky and got bit by a Spider and got his powers, he lost his uncle and blames himself for it. After he got his power his confidence grew, fought villanes, got some bad press, got a couple of new friends (both super and normal), got a lot of money problem, dated some girls (Beth, Gwen, MJ, Black Cat and a few in-between), got some school problems and ended up suing Jameson for liable.
==> Bruce Wayne had a much more difficult life than Peter - I have given up more times than anyone else - Parker. This guy has given up being Spider-Man more times than I can remember and this is the guy you called "the most strongwilled person in Marvel"... Man the guy can't make up his mind.Ahhh.... what was the whole point of this argument anyway, I have forgotten...
Back to the bad press : you underestimate the power of this. When everybody hates you thanks to a bad press, and you risk your life again and again for very ungrateful people, and your beloved aunt is very sick (or weak), and your wife is angry with you because you spend too much time being Spider-Man, and your boss yells at you at hates Spider-Man, and you find out you're a clone (or you think you're a clone), and your best friend becomes your worst enemy and you don't have enough money and so on and so on...
When you take all this into consideration : do you find it strange he decides to quit from time to time ? Fact is, he always comes back. In most cases, people of NYC didn't even notice he was gone, because he rarely quits for a long time.
The fact that he sometimes wants to quit (you make it seem like he gives up his life as Spider-Man once a week) has everything to do with his bad press and his problems in his private life. Batman has none of these worries (that is to say, not as much).
Originally posted by who?-kid
Got "some" bad press ? At times, he was being hated or feared by most citizens of New York thanks to the bad press of the Daily Bugle. At least, Batman is respected. Do you want to risk your life every day of the week and not getting any respect ?
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Look people don't respect him... In fact they fear him, and they don't trust him since very little is known about him. In fact the JLA used to get bad press because people did not trust him, and the martian so Superman dicided to bring Lios to the JLA base so that she could write something posotive about them.
Originally posted by who?-kid
Now that's a bit unfair, I think. Spider-Man has a much more complicated life outside his Spider-Man life than Batman. Bruce Wayne lives to be Batman,without Batman, he's nothing (not dissing the man behind the mask, but it's a fact). Peter Parker has a full life without his Spider-Man life.
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That is why I say it would be more likely for Peter to quit being Spider-man than Bruce. Peter has other things in his life that are worth a lot to him, while Bruce has very little outside of Batman, it is a full time job for him while it is only a part time thing for Peter.
Originally posted by who?-kid
Back to the bad press : you underestimate the power of this. When everybody hates you thanks to a bad press, and you risk your life again and again for very ungrateful people, and your beloved aunt is very sick (or weak), and your wife is angry with you because you spend too much time being Spider-Man, and your boss yells at you at hates Spider-Man, and you find out you're a clone (or you think you're a clone), and your best friend becomes your worst enemy and you don't have enough money and so on and so on...When you take all this into consideration : do you find it strange he decides to quit from time to time ? Fact is, he always comes back. In most cases, people of NYC didn't even notice he was gone, because he rarely quits for a long time.
The fact that he sometimes wants to quit (you make it seem like he gives up his life as Spider-Man once a week) has everything to do with his bad press and his problems in his private life. Batman has none of these worries (that is to say, not as much). [/B]
Come on you can't blame the bad press for everything... Most of the thing you mention happens because he is Spider-Man not because of bad press.... As for him quiting, he does it because Spider-Man gets in the way of his life as Peter. You know what he reminds me of, he reminds me of a cigarate smoker who once in a while decides to give it up because he knows it is not good for his life, and then after a couple of days goes back to it because he can't resist it anymore. Now as anyone who has given up cigarate will know it is the first 2 months that are the worst... after that the craving goes away and you notice the benefits of giving up cigarate (easier to breath, less fatigue, and you save a lot of money). I think it will be the same with Peter and Spider-Man, after six months of being Peter and not Spider-Man while he is recovering, he will notice that the world continues on fine without him, he will notice all the things he missed out in life because of Spider-Man, all the diferences he can make as Peter now that he has more time to spend with his students and with MJ.... I just don't know if he would be willing to give it all up to become Spider-Man again.... Life as Spider-Man might be fun and exciting but it comes at the cost of the life of Peter and after all he has done in his life I think he would feel that it was time he got on with his life....
so does pete, i doubt he sleep more than 2 hours per night becouse he cant stand in bed while he knows others are needing him.and he works full day time, so in that peter is much better than bat.
lets finish this stupid thread right, spiderman wins
batman and spiderman are equal and differents in very small ways. so what differs them most is the enemy they face, but just becouse one faces superpowered and the other massa murderers lunatic villains that it should bellitle the other. so talking about this is pointless