Spider-Man vs Batman

soz i aint bin on so long but i cudnt get my password to wrk for like the past 2 months neway y does every1 keep puttin spidey's intelligents dwn if u read the all of the realy early comics tht were in the 1960's u cn c tht spidey was always makin 1 time gadgets to thwart his enemys, im not sayin he's smarter thn bats cause well bats has him beet but he still is inteligent and cums up with stratgey's batman isnt the only one u no. Besides sumtimes super heros dnt bother cumin up with stratgeys. 1 ting i keep 4getin to mention wots to say spidey cnt just web up bats utility belt or web im to a wall, batman mayb at peek human athleet but he cnt dodge a speedin webline. 💃

Originally posted by Sparkz
soz i aint bin on so long but i cudnt get my password to wrk for like the past 2 months neway y does every1 keep puttin spidey's intelligents dwn if u read the all of the realy early comics tht were in the 1960's u cn c tht spidey was always makin 1 time gadgets to thwart his enemys, im not sayin he's smarter thn bats cause well bats has him beet but he still is inteligent and cums up with stratgey's batman isnt the only one u no. Besides sumtimes super heros dnt bother cumin up with stratgeys. 1 ting i keep 4getin to mention wots to say spidey cnt just web up bats utility belt or web im to a wall, batman mayb at peek human athleet but he cnt dodge a speedin webline. 💃

Pete's a bright kid but his mind simply pales in comparison to the Bat's. BTW, Spidey is the one that's quick, not his weblines. I'm sure his webs are no quicker than a good bat grapple.

Originally posted by gambit88
batman is smart and knows several forms of martial arts

SEVERAL FORMS? Batman is worlds third best martial artist in comic, you know...

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
batman is by far smarter than spiderman. There is no way around that. Of course parker is a smart cat. Alot of people think he is so incredibly smart for the fact that he developed the web shooter. Well After being bitten it was explained that he was given unknown knowledge about the spider's webbing which helped him develop the formula. I'd like to see parker design and build a car that can travel up to speeds of 400 miles an hour, loaded with weapons. Id also like to see him figure out rocket science,and creat a jet that can travel faster than the speed of light.

Batman has his own form of a spider sense. It's called clarity. Clarity that is only reached through the highest peaks of enlightenment. Spidey is a great hero, but let's face it he's a bit sloppy when it comes to fighting. He relies on his super strength and spider sense to save his life.Batman relies on skill, expierence,and knowledge to save his life. Batman has fought villians just as strong as spider mans villians, and has beaten them using only human strength, reflexes, and human intelligence.I mean batman cant say when fighting a villian " it's ok if i get hit because i'll be able to recover,due to my super strength" he has to be tactical,feirce and fast. which he is. If you are a comic reader you should know that strength is very rarely a key aspect in deciding the victory of a battle. Batman would scohol spidey on proper fighting techniques.

I've read a lot of what you guys had to say,but the one I found making the most sense was this post,not that it isn't debatable,however.

The brains part I can give you.I have no doubt that Batman has proven to be the most intelligent of the pair,but this doesn't put Peter in the sub class neither.A lot of you people,esspecially the person pointing out that Peter only went to one school while Bruce had gone through several, therefore making him at a retards' level,are quite wrong.Not only is Peter considered to be a genius in his school,but he's considered a wide genius as well.If you read Amazing Spider-Man #28,you'd notice that he's had the highest grade point average in schools' history.He's also a detective,not as good as Batman but a detective never the less.He has also use wits and strategy to overcome various odds.Which comes to show you that his fighting technique does not just consist of brute strenght.He's a thinker just as much a Batman,but he doesn't think as often as Batman due to his spider abilities.Does this mean Batman can reverse the odds?Not necessarily.Batman's weapon is his brain -- not his gadgets.This doesn't mean he's a psychic,though.To outwit Spider-Man you first have to figure out the fact that he functions with a second assistance.This assistance can either be his spider-sense,his willpower,or and his durable side.Meaning,even if Batman some how figured out a way to catch Spider-Man (even without the likes of him knowing about the spider-sense), will it be enough to hurt him?If so,would it be effective enough to cancel out the "driven" side of the character?If you think this doesn't matter,then you oughta read a little more about the character.Even under the most pain or immpossible circumstances,the character is known to will himself to go on.With Batman,this is of no option.His body can only take so much before it finally gives in.A single punch could render the fighter unconcious.

Point is,Spider-Man is very,very stubborn.This more than makes up for him not having Batman's intelligence.His odds clearly overwhelm that of Batmans'.

i know that i said i would leave this tread for good but im sorry i just need to make a come back here. u mentioned batman gives in. no deffinetly not. batman is the most stubborn superhero i know even over spidy. hes always going to push himself far past limits to get the job done. alfread always is lecturring him on how he has to rest eat blah blah. but batman always pushes himself further. nomatter how sick or tired. the way he does it is crazy. read knightfall and you will get the jest of it, when he got no sleep for atleast 8 days and then had a broken back but still kicked a few asses around. and if your not willing to read it, atleast watch justice league. in an episoid i remember all the men of earth growing sick and stuff but that didnt stop batman from saving a bus load of ppl. this is in a way batmans superpower, being the last superhero to give in.

Originally posted by batmanrules
i know that i said i would leave this tread for good but im sorry i just need to make a come back here. u mentioned batman gives in. no deffinetly not. batman is the most stubborn superhero i know even over spidy. hes always going to push himself far past limits to get the job done. alfread always is lecturring him on how he has to rest eat blah blah. but batman always pushes himself further. nomatter how sick or tired. the way he does it is crazy. read knightfall and you will get the jest of it, when he got no sleep for atleast 8 days and then had a broken back but still kicked a few asses around. and if your not willing to read it, atleast watch justice league. in an episoid i remember all the men of earth growing sick and stuff but that didnt stop batman from saving a bus load of ppl. this is in a way batmans superpower, being the last superhero to give in.

I never said he wasn't a striver.He is if he's willing to fight crime without any superpowers.What I mean is his body taking a minimum of strain to that of Spider-Man's body.What I'm trying to say is Spider-Man could possibly take one of Batman's best shots and continue coming after him -- rather that be a gadget or a just a contact blow inparticular.Batman,is not suited to take Peter's best shot otherwise you'd find him lying next to Robin.My words are not meant to dumb-down the Bat.He is just not suited for such a fight unless he has a plan on hand.

fair enough, but a guy like batman would notice spidermans superstrength (if a suprise fight) and remember to watch out for it. the fight can go something like batman dodging a first punch which spidy brakes some huge iron pole and batman would keep in mind to watch out for those punches. but even if this is a fight to the death batman has more then enough toys that could help spidys head keep rolling on the ground.

Originally posted by batmanrules
fair enough, but a guy like batman would notice spidermans superstrength (if a suprise fight) and remember to watch out for it. the fight can go something like batman dodging a first punch which spidy brakes some huge iron pole and batman would keep in mind to watch out for those punches. but even if this is a fight to the death batman has more then enough toys that could help spidys head keep rolling on the ground.

There is more to Spider-Man than superhuman strenght.I don't really get how you believe this is his only advantage.Yes,I do believe Batman has had his own share of power hitters before,but neither of these fighters have the same weakness as Parker.Adapting to Peter's strenght is only about 15% of his worries.He has to cope with his speed,agility,reflexes,spider-sense,brains,webs,determination,durability,etc. etc. etc. Now,one may argue that Batman is capable of figuring out the spider-sense,which I have no problem with.But,if you believe he's capable of figuring this out in a brief or first hand confrontation (maybe even a second one),you are seriously mistaking.Although Batman may be intelligent,he is no psychic.

You mentioned something about Batman staying on the defensive angle to avoid being tagged with a fierce blow.Your analogy makes a great point but also lacks a surface at the same time.Inorder for Batman to stay on defense he'd have to have speed and reaction time near that of the webhead.Frankly,this was something he never obtained through training.Spider-Man's style is also made up of more than just the mere stick and move strategy.The options are teeming.With these odds,Spider-Man is likely to steer clear of the majority of these schemes Batman tries to use against him.

oye, dont make it sound like i dont know anything about spiderman. he use to be my favourit until i got more into batman. im not saying his powers is all that is to him. im pointing out batmans advantages against his powers. i know just as much about spiderman as i do to batman. but the reasons i only point out spidys strength is that, thats the only advantage he has over batman, and when your up against a guy like batman the strength has no hold, what so ever over batman. but i wouldnt know maybe spidy will put strength to good use. i just think that they should make a marvel and a dc version of a fight. spidy looses against batman in marvel and batman loses in dc. but i just think that if this was a reality thing and it had nothing to do with the fans and sales, batman would win. cuz really if one character wins the fans will be all pissed off and perhaps stop reading it. its happened before.

Originally posted by Domination
But,if you believe he's capable of figuring this out in a brief or first hand confrontation (maybe even a second one),you are seriously mistaking.Although Batman may be intelligent,he is no psychic.

How can you see about Spiderman and Batman to saved MJ Watson kidnapped by insanity villains Green Goblin and the Joker .but Green Goblin and the Joker tried to attack and destroyed Gotham City.so Green Goblin stole the Wayne diamond from New York Museum.and the the Joker tried to help by Green Goblin to Arkham Asylum.so Batman and Spidey are coming to gets their two arch-nemesis.so look to
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batman is hardcore hes like wolverine, but like the guy said befor spiderman is dang close to being the perfect super hero,strength,intellegence,spider sence,a few gadgets,bla bla he rules.
(venom can still kick his ass)

siperman isn't perfect is defense is terrible considering thats goblins weak punches can hurt him say the hulk puched him spidy would be dead.

Originally posted by the_hulk_79
spiderman isn't perfect is defense is terrible considering thats goblins weak punches can hurt him say the hulk puched him spidy would be dead.

Originally posted by batmanrules
oye, dont make it sound like i dont know anything about spiderman. he use to be my favourit until i got more into batman. im not saying his powers is all that is to him. im pointing out batmans advantages against his powers. i know just as much about spiderman as i do to batman. but the reasons i only point out spidys strength is that, thats the only advantage he has over batman, and when your up against a guy like batman the strength has no hold, what so ever over batman. but i wouldnt know maybe spidy will put strength to good use. i just think that they should make a marvel and a dc version of a fight. spidy looses against batman in marvel and batman loses in dc. but i just think that if this was a reality thing and it had nothing to do with the fans and sales, batman would win. cuz really if one character wins the fans will be all pissed off and perhaps stop reading it. its happened before.

I'm not infering whether or what you know about the character since you've been a fan,but you are making it sound as if his strenght is the only factor against Batman when it isn't.If you don't think so,tell me then,what is Batman's advantage to the spider-sense,his speed,his durability,and his webs,... and I'll go right behind you pointing out major holes in your theory?

Batman may be fast,skilled,and sharp-witted on a human's level,but most of this,if not all of it,is canceled out when he starts reaching for people in the superhuman class.Before you go on further about the pass few people in which he has faced with some superhumans or enhanced ones,think first about how he brung them down and the type of character they were/are compared to a person like Spider-Man.Batman's chances are pretty low if he faces someone like Spider-Man without preptime.

Originally posted by batmanrules
dude its happened before. it takes him less then 5 seconds to notice these things. " 2 bulets shot, take him down when he reloads" " bump on that ones chest area, possibly concealing a weapon." " lifting 80 pounders, strong, take him down using kritsu- jitsu" he notices all these kinds of things, and im sure he will notice spidys strength, quick enough before saying, " ill just get myself punched and find out weather he has superstrength or not".

I believe you read everything EXCEPT what I wrote.I never said Batman could not figure out that Parker has superhuman strength in a first meeting.Anyone with a half a brain is likely to know this once their opponent does something that seems impossible for a normal human accomplish.I said Batman would not be able to figure out that he functions on a six sense in their first or possibly second meeting.

Unlike a gun that is sold in stores,used in services,etc. -- enabling a person to identify the kind of clip or revolver chamber for the number of bullets taken,there is nothing too fancy about knowing when a person has to reload before realizing they're out of bullets.Anyone having just a little bit of knowledge with a gun is able to determine that it has to run out at some point,but with Batman's heighten intuition,he was able to strategies and listen for any reloading sounds and prolonged pauses within the firing before he was able to unleash his attack.The same goes for a person carrying a weapon.

Cops do this all the time.If there's a visible area on the body of a street punk walking around that look suspicious,they assume that it may be occupied by an object -- not necessarily a weapon,but seeing how their lives are on the line,this is nothing too suspicious to just toss out of the window.Batman acts in this very same way.

Unlike the above where you can gain information through books or experience,Spider-Man's spider-sense is not something "visible" to the human eye unless he was taken off guard more than three or four times while his back was turned,...and even then,one would still have trouble figuring out what sense he's actually using and how it actually works.Batman can not figure this out in neither a first and possibly even a second meeting.He would be completely deceived by the speed,agility,and reflex of the character.

Originally posted by the_hulk_79
siperman isn't perfect is defense is terrible considering thats goblins weak punches can hurt him say the hulk puched him spidy would be dead.

I don't know if you knew this or not but the Green Goblin is not weak.He has superhuman strength,reflexes,agility and so on -- very close to Spider-Man.I figured the movie would have solved this for you.Oh well... 😮

Originally posted by Domination
I don't know if you knew this or not but the Green Goblin is not weak.He has superhuman strength,reflexes,agility and so on -- very close to Spider-Man.I figured the movie would have solved this for you.Oh well... 😮

yes i did know that but goblin punches aren't stronger than hulk so batman i think could beat spidey, no offense to u spidey fans

Originally posted by Domination
I believe you read everything EXCEPT what I wrote.I never said Batman could not figure out that Parker has superhuman strength in a first meeting.Anyone with a half a brain is likely to know this once their opponent does something that seems impossible for a normal human accomplish.I said Batman would not be able to figure out that he functions on a [b]six sense in their first or possibly second meeting.

Unlike a gun that is sold in stores,used in services,etc. -- enabling a person to identify the kind of clip or revolver chamber for the number of bullets taken,there is nothing too fancy about knowing when a person has to reload before realizing they're out of bullets.Anyone having just a little bit of knowledge with a gun is able to determine that it has to run out at some point,but with Batman's heighten intuition,he was able to strategies and listen for any reloading sounds and prolonged pauses within the firing before he was able to unleash his attack.The same goes for a person carrying a weapon.

Cops do this all the time.If there's a visible area on the body of a street punk walking around that look suspicious,they assume that it may be occupied by an object -- not necessarily a weapon,but seeing how their lives are on the line,this is nothing too suspicious to just toss out of the window.Batman acts in this very same way.

Unlike the above where you can gain information through books or experience,Spider-Man's spider-sense is not something "visible" to the human eye unless he was taken off guard more than three or four times while his back was turned,...and even then,one would still have trouble figuring out what sense he's actually using and how it actually works.Batman can not figure this out in neither a first and possibly even a second meeting.He would be completely deceived by the speed,agility,and reflex of the character. [/B]

Originally posted by Domination
I'm not infering whether or what you know about the character since you've been a fan,but you are making it sound as if his strenght is the only factor against Batman when it isn't.If you don't think so,tell me then,what is Batman's advantage to the spider-sense,his speed,his durability,and his webs,... and I'll go right behind you pointing out major holes in your theory?

Batman may be fast,skilled,and sharp-witted on a human's level,but most of this,if not all of it,is canceled out when he starts reaching for people in the superhuman class.Before you go on further about the pass few people in which he has faced with some superhumans or enhanced ones,think first about how he brung them down and the type of character they were/are compared to a person like Spider-Man.Batman's chances are pretty low if he faces someone like Spider-Man without preptime.

and a guy like batman has been "preped" on quite possibly every situation that is thrown at him. and im really tired of ppl separting human from superhuman, really humans have no limits at, thats how i like to think of it. nothing is perfect right? which means that whoever u are u can always get better at anything u do. have u ever drawn a great picture and looked back at it and decided that it needed touching up? its always going to get more touched up as u go along.