Batman rules,I thought you said you were tired of this discussion and wanted to stay out of it? Yet your back in on it again. 🙄 Well I'm sticking by everything I said in my points that spidey would easily win and staying out of it myself.None of us are going to change anybodys mind and its really not an important issue with me.
Originally posted by Zephonim
Batman is by far, in my opinion, the second best hero out there. Spider-Man has always been my favorite with Batman at a close second. Others are miles below them, but I am a Spider-Man fan.
Batman is the perfect definition of badass. He has no powers, but he still kicks ass. He is incredibly smart in fighting and all kinds of other things, but over the years Spider-Man has gotten plenty of experience in fighting. He may not have started with it, and he may not have as much training as Batman, but he has his fair share.
Again, Batman = badass, but I think Spidey just has too much speed, agility, and strength for Batman to overcome.
that pretty much echos my sentiments.Spidey has always been my favorite with bats a close 2nd also.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
SEVERAL FORMS? Batman is worlds third best martial artist in comic, you know...
Batman would beat up spidey. In means of strength and fighting there the same, but Batman has gadgets added in. Alright, Spidey would start off, theyd punch the crap out of each other, spidey would be cheap and use his webbing and prolly fly up a wall and come down on Bats, theyd continue fighting, more webbing, then Bats would get out his bat knuckles, and start punching/slicing spider up with each hit! Then hed prolly throw out his ropes thingies, and get spidey tied up at the ankles, middle legs and arms tied to chest. And bats rope thingies are stronger than Steel, so spidey couldnt break out. And remember, Bats isnt even a super hero! Hes just a normal hero with gadgets, in his newest comics he can do that sun thing... thats dumb, but still, hes a normal hero in my opinion, but hes too good for spidey... Now wolverine... we have to go to that thread for that.
Originally posted by SuperNova
Batman would beat up spidey. In means of strength and fighting there the same, but Batman has gadgets added in. Alright, Spidey would start off, theyd punch the crap out of each other, spidey would be cheap and use his webbing and prolly fly up a wall and come down on Bats, theyd continue fighting, more webbing, then Bats would get out his bat knuckles, and start punching/slicing spider up with each hit! Then hed prolly throw out his ropes thingies, and get spidey tied up at the ankles, middle legs and arms tied to chest. And bats rope thingies are stronger than Steel, so spidey couldnt break out. And remember, Bats isnt even a super hero! Hes just a normal hero with gadgets, in his newest comics he can do that sun thing... thats dumb, but still, hes a normal hero in my opinion, but hes too good for spidey... Now wolverine... we have to go to that thread for that.
LOL! Only in your dream,pal...only in your dreams.
Well, perhaps Spider-Man could beat Batman...
but if I had Batman's skills, physique and resources... I would play a little game of Cat and mouse with spidey... test out his strengths...
He's stronger and more agile, fine, I keep my distance...
He's got webbing? not any harder to dodge than a bullet, I do that all the time, np, and if any gets on me I'll pull some organic dissolver out my pocket and boom, free... in fact, I might let him think he beat me once and then leave... just to test him...
He climbs walls? I have a jet... somehow... I'm not impressed...
He's got a sixth sense? Perfect. That's his weakness. He leans on this sense to avoid attack, when I get my plan set up how I want it, I give him double attacks... he dodges one batarang into another one, since by this time I know how he moves... he moves to escape the bomb, the wall he leaps onto has been coated with anti-traction fluid, spidey falls yet again...
Now he's hurt and I give him the upperhand he tracks me to my fake lair and encases me in webbing which triggers the airlocks and gas which knocks ol boy out, I dissolve the webbing, sedate Spidey to my liking and deposit him in the Slab along with Solmon Grundy and Copperhead and other superstrong no-goods...
at least... that's what I would do...
Originally posted by Mr Parker
Batman rules,I thought you said you were tired of this discussion and wanted to stay out of it? Yet your back in on it again. 🙄 Well I'm sticking by everything I said in my points that spidey would easily win and staying out of it myself.None of us are going to change anybodys mind and its really not an important issue with me.
Originally posted by Mr Parkerbatman does stuff like that. he knows he can beat the shit out of them. why not give them a little confedence in what theyre doing. he looked fine. he seemed to just be studying him. he didnt try to fight back. so i guess he was testing him. hes done it before, otherwise i would be pretty pissed off about that.
He's actually trained in ALL forms of combat which is one of the reasons why I despised the first Batman movie so much because he should EASLIY have been able to handle that goon of The Jokers at the end yet he looked like a total wuss with no fighting skills. 🙄
Originally posted by DominationArg! im so sick of the whole batman relies on his belt fiasco. he doesnt rely on it that much. its basically an "incase" thing. he barely ever has to use his belt in the middle of a face to face fight. he relies on everything else. his estreamly fast tactics, his crazy amount of knowledge in martial arts, is self healing techniques, his complete body control (flinching) and everything else. the only reason he would have to use his belt is to melt or cut spidys webbing. and spidermans webbing can melt to acid, and i also learned from rages remorse that batmans sideblades 50 x sharper then the sharpest blade in the world. and another thing stop looking at what batman is going up against. what about what spidy is daring to go upagainst. an extreamly tactical being, the worlds greatest detective, a man with knowledge that would blow up the mind of a every day joe (not literaly), a guy who knows all the major forms of combat in the WORLD, a guy who can heal himself, a guy who has the enlightenment level to know exacly whats happening (it is important, as its as good as spidys spidersense), a guy who has many years more experience then him (plus 12 years of training before he started his crime fighting career) a guy who doesnt ever give up, until hes dead, a guy who can dissapear from your sight and mind so silently you wouldnt notice it if u were a mind reader( happened to martian manhunter). so you see spidermans doesnt exacly have that many avantages.
That's funny you mentioned that.But,first,let me point out something to you about Batman.He relies on a belt.He has no super powers of any kind.So,if this belt is disabled at anytime or he miscalculates a move during the fight to someone as weak as Green Arrow,Bat,man is bound to lose.Now,lets us move onto Spider-Man,you are simply confusing Spider-Man with Batman.And you think that just because Batman is intelligent that Spider-Man isn't?Don't kid yourself.There are about three pages which I have explained HOW Spider-Man is likely to defeat Batman as well as counter everything he has or can do,but since I'm a little tired of repeating myself I guess it wouldn't hurt you none to take a look at them.One of them were concerning his webbing.Here is one of my quotes:
"[b]As for webs,I can see how one would think blades,decomposers and such when mentioned in a fight to someone with webs.Who wouldn't?But,let me point something out to you that is considered a trademark of the character where blades and acids prove useless:webbing to the face,source,or just plain gluing a person's limb to the ground or to their body in mid leap either willingly or instinctively (meaning by reflex).What is Batman going to do then:burn,cut,or blow himself up to get this goo off of him?By the time he escapes either one of these predicaments it will already be to late to dodge or defend himself before Spider-Man closes in and KO's him.
"If this site wasn't so bogus,I could post a few pics of the character in action. [/B]
ok i love bats and all but he just couldn't win he's a trained fighter and he's freakin smart but spidey has a spider sense and i'm sick and tired of everyone sayin he relies on that or his webs how everyone says that there over rated plus super strength plus super speed plus wall sticking plus super agility now there ya go bats would be a good fight but he now read closly BATMAN WOULD GET HIS HEAD HANDED TO HIM ON A WEB PLATTER!!! now that that's said i'm gonna leave this thread forever.
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Don't you think you are taking this a little bit seriously, I mean, you do know they are not real?
I'm not sure where that came from if you're even referring to me at all,but I'm not taking this topic serious or a grudge match to all that disagrees.I am simply pointing out what 'I' have seen of the character through the twelve years I've been reading about him.It is called justification.
I read through this entire topic and most of the people would mention how Peter's strength is his number one advantage to Batman when it isn't.That would be someone like Hulk or Blob.Peter is not considered one of Marvel's most versatile fighters for nothing.He is able to adapt and defeat a great sum of fighters (no matter who you are) due to him being mentally smart and as well as physically enhanced on a different level to that of most superhumans.When you compare this to Batman,his advantages are way less weighed to that of Parker's.
Okay: let me put it this way... unless Spider-Man's spider sense makes him invincible (which it doesn't, see any fight with the green goblin) then Batman can beat Spider-Man... I just explained to you how Spider-Sense is a handicap against Batman, he lives on exploiting powers people rely on, and if Spider-Man leans on the SSense that hard, Batman will bring him down without breaking a sweat...
And Spider-Man is very intelligent when it comes to science, in battles he relies on experience... his intelligence doesn't factor in like Batman's does...
Am I the only one here educated on both heroes??? You guys need to go out and buy those Ultimate Guide things... that'll help you out...
Originally posted by Hypester
Well, perhaps Spider-Man could beat Batman...but if I had Batman's skills, physique and resources... I would play a little game of Cat and mouse with spidey... test out his strengths...
He's stronger and more agile, fine, I keep my distance...
He's got webbing? not any harder to dodge than a bullet, I do that all the time, np, and if any gets on me I'll pull some organic dissolver out my pocket and boom, free... in fact, I might let him think he beat me once and then leave... just to test him...
He climbs walls? I have a jet... somehow... I'm not impressed...
He's got a sixth sense? Perfect. That's his weakness. He leans on this sense to avoid attack, when I get my plan set up how I want it, I give him double attacks... he dodges one batarang into another one, since by this time I know how he moves... he moves to escape the bomb, the wall he leaps onto has been coated with anti-traction fluid, spidey falls yet again...Now he's hurt and I give him the upperhand he tracks me to my fake lair and encases me in webbing which triggers the airlocks and gas which knocks ol boy out, I dissolve the webbing, sedate Spidey to my liking and deposit him in the Slab along with Solmon Grundy and Copperhead and other superstrong no-goods...
at least... that's what I would do...
That's a pretty good story,for a person lacking a bit of knowledge about the other.But,I'm going to show you a few flaws in this picture:
The cat and mouse game is a good way of bring down the webhead;it is,by far,the most useful effect.Infact,it solves the question for his strength and agility.But,Batman does not dodge bullets.That's false.He anticipates the person firing the gun.Parker can operate on instinct.But,if Batman's playing a cat and mouse game,I don't see why he should be dodging anything at all unless he decides to reveal his cover by fighting the OL webhead.Bring a jet to the fight is just plan ridiculous.Spider-Man has tangled with people using traveling wings and flight packs far more agile than a huge bat plane.Batman would lose him before he knows it,unless he plans on taking out the entire city of Gotham or New York.Now,Batman using his surroundings to hit Peter with gadgets,therefore making him react to his spider-sense,will only make Peter that much closer to figuring out Batman's strategy thus making Peter use one of his own.And let me also remind you that two or even three baterangs is not going to confuse Spider-Man's spider-sense if it is able to assist him through a barrage of random machine-gun fire.This is also not a birthday party or some kiddy maze.It is Gotham/New York.How many building do you think these cities have?That's right,too many,and they are called skyscrapers.Batman using a special anti-traction formula on each building is not going to get the job done,especially to someone who doesn't always climb walls.It would be considered a waste of time -- not to mention prep time,cause I really doubt that a pocket about the size of medium size billfold is able to hold a dozen billion gallons of "anti-traction fluid." .
Originally posted by batmanrules
Arg! im so sick of the whole batman relies on his belt fiasco. he doesnt rely on it that much. its basically an "incase" thing. he barely ever has to use his belt in the middle of a face to face fight. he relies on everything else. his estreamly fast tactics, his crazy amount of knowledge in martial arts, is self healing techniques, his complete body control (flinching) and everything else. the only reason he would have to use his belt is to melt or cut spidys webbing. and spidermans webbing can melt to acid, and i also learned from rages remorse that batmans sideblades 50 x sharper then the sharpest blade in the world. and another thing stop looking at what batman is going up against. what about what spidy is daring to go upagainst. an extreamly tactical being, the worlds greatest detective, a man with knowledge that would blow up the mind of a every day joe (not literaly), a guy who knows all the major forms of combat in the WORLD, a guy who can heal himself, a guy who has the enlightenment level to know exacly whats happening (it is important, as its as good as spidys spidersense), a guy who has many years more experience then him (plus 12 years of training before he started his crime fighting career) a guy who doesnt ever give up, until hes dead, a guy who can dissapear from your sight and mind so silently you wouldnt notice it if u were a mind reader( happened to martian manhunter). so you see spidermans doesnt exacly have that many avantages.
Y'know,the only useful thing about your message compared to lot of them that I read is the humor,and I am dead serious.From the likes of your response,you're inches away from breaking your keyboard in two.
I say about 95%,Batman has used his gadgets to bring down someone stronger than himself -- not to mention a few petty purse-snatching creeps.His belt is like a tool supply to him.Without it,he cannot disarm a person shooting at him from afar unless he has some kind of a shadow to work with.He cannot get around the city on foot alone.He cannot escape traps without his belt.The options are teeming.Mainly everything he does is done through his belt -- rather you'd like to believe it or not.Batman's belt is his weakness.
Tell me,did any of this martial arts training,years experienced,ingenuity,enlightenment and all that other garbage help him any when an unarmed Death Stroke,Longshot,or Predator villain beat him into the ground?No.I don't care what kind of training you insist on bring up here,it is not enough to aid him in a fight to someone out of his league.He can barely handle a person like Killer Croc,a lunatic like Joker,and a guy with some powdered dust name Scarecrow.But,you want me to believe that he can handle somebody like Spider-Man in a fair fight,....and without his belt at that.He does not have a spider-sense nor anything else related to it,some super dupper fighting technique,and certainly no brain to that of Reed Richards or some psychic.
What Spider-Man brings to the table is a lot more than a wanna be spider-sense and a belt of manual gadgets.
Originally posted by Hypester
Okay: let me put it this way... unless Spider-Man's spider sense makes him invincible (which it doesn't, see any fight with the green goblin) then Batman can beat Spider-Man... I just explained to you how Spider-Sense is a handicap against Batman, he lives on exploiting powers people rely on, and if Spider-Man leans on the SSense that hard, Batman will bring him down without breaking a sweat...And Spider-Man is very intelligent when it comes to science, in battles he relies on experience... his intelligence doesn't factor in like Batman's does...
Am I the only one here educated on both heroes??? You guys need to go out and buy those Ultimate Guide things... that'll help you out...
Let me point out something about the goblins,especially the Green Goblin,he has used a gas to negate Spider-Man's spider-sense.That is one of the main reasons he is able to get the drop on him as well as discover his secret identity,and not even this was full proof because Spider-Man began ignoring his spider-sense and using his reflexes and agility after he found out what the Goblin was up to.In one of the issues he managed to actually beat the Goblin -- even under a disabled spider-sense.
Another reason the goblins have managed to get the drop on Spider-Man is due to the transportation they use when facing him:a glider.That way they can constantly keep their distance while unleashing everything they have on him (bombs,gas,razor bats,smoke,electro palm blaster,etc.) to overwhelm his spider-sense,and even then do they STILL have trouble hitting him.Batman does not carry this.May I also add that these goblins have super everything near that of Spider-Man?That means one of their blows could,indeed,hurt him pretty good while it would take Batman several if he even has enough speed to keep up with him at all.You don't have that kind of time with Spider-Man before he begans capitalizing.
Obviously,you know nothing about Parker if you believe he only relies on experience in a fight instead of his ingenuity.One of the books I have right infront of my face is Marvel Tales:The Sensational Spider-Man #194 where he creates a stabilizer gun to defeat a person called Equinox.Another is Amazing Spider-Man #34 where he takes a drop of Morlun's blood and studies how to break down his DNA to where he would become weak.The other is Amazing Spider-Man #54 where he fights a guy called Digger;he studies his DNA and makes a anti-serum that causes his gamma powered body to break down and explode.Do you want me to go on,cause I will?Point is,Peter is a genius -- not only in science (that just happen to be his favorite subject) but in a vast sum of intellectual areas,including strategist.What he knows but is no real genius or master of is criminology and martial arts.He only knows just above average in those areas.You need to really stop watching the twisted movie version and pay more attention to the comic.There is reason,you know,that he was able to crack the code to develop his own synthetic webs to that of any scientist and was able to score the highest of the highest grade point average in the history of high schools.