Spider-Man vs Batman

Originally posted by the_hulk_79
yes i did know that but goblin punches aren't stronger than hulk so batman i think could beat spidey, no offense to u spidey fans

The Green Goblin's punches don't have to be as strong as the Hulk to defeat Spider-Man,but if he's able to lift 9 tons and punch through concrete,do you really think this is something in Batman's class?Every ten or twelve punches it would take Batman to hurt Spider-Man,Goblin could do it in one or two.With Spider-Man,you only have one possible chance or catching him -- not ten or twelve.

Originally posted by batmanrules
listen im not saying that the whole noticing how many bullets have been shot is a factor in this situation here. im just pointing out how quickly batman notices things. and an average joe is able to know when someone is reloading or not, but what im pointing out is that batman is prepared and knows exacly what moves hes going to do when the opponent reloads, and again this wont help in spiderman vs batman, because obviously spiderman doesnt use a gun. and the whole spidy sense thing can be matched as ive learned from rages remorse that batman has a level of enlightenment that is in someway like spidys spider sense. "He would be completely deceived by the speed,agility,and reflex of the character". deceived? hell no. hes always going to be prepared for another power or whatever. he wont jump to the conclusion that this is all spiderman has and is all that batman has to work with.

That is a your vision of the character;that is what YOU would like to see of a Batman,but not all goes as visioned.Batman is not some psychic nor a Spector Gadget.He does not prepare nor handle himself as you are describing him.He can not figure out a person or plan in mere seconds if there is no lead to the advantage or his.This is how Death Stroke was able to take him,Manbat,Joker,Predator.The list goes on and on.Like I said before,he is not likely to figure out that Spider-Man is functioning on a six sense unless Spider-Man somehow gave him a visible clue -- otherwise the very same procedure could apply to people like Quicksilver,Batgirl,Speedball,Wonder Woman,etc.. The first thing to come to his mind would be the speed of the fighter -- not some six sense.By that time,it would too late to.Spider-man could move-in or disable Batman faster than he could execute a gadget.

BTW,why don't you take a look at THIS site.The author answers the very same questions in which you are questioning about Batman.

Originally posted by batmanrules
Spidersense - enlightenment, speed - to walk as a shadow (anchient ninja technique, durablilty - karate master (not that its a match but will probably do something, karate is the form of fighting that has to do with taking pain and what not), webs - acids and crazy sharp blades

and a guy like batman has been "preped" on quite possibly every situation that is thrown at him. and im really tired of ppl separting human from superhuman, really humans have no limits at, thats how i like to think of it. nothing is perfect right? which means that whoever u are u can always get better at anything u do. have u ever drawn a great picture and looked back at it and decided that it needed touching up? its always going to get more touched up as u go along.

You have already duggen yourself in a hole,you know that,right?

But first,lets start with the enhanced abilities.You said enlightenment would be enough to handle the spider-sense.Again,this is YOUR vision of what a Batman should be -- not what's written in the comics.If Batman does not know about the spider-sense,there is no possible way for him to use force on Spider-Man without him knowing about it first.The spider-sense functions in two different ways:immediate and potential."Enlightenment" is not enough,especially to a person that is about as intelligent as you are.That would be like me tell you that Spider-Man stands a chance to Superman because he's better enlightening.

Walking as a shadow holds little to no baring on Spider-Man.With a spider-sense,he is able to detect more than just a punch from behind;he has eyes in the dark.This is how he was able to make Wonder Woman look like an amateur when she tried to fight him.But,to make it all so bad is she admitted him being better than she was.He would be able to detect the exact location in which Batman is hiding and pounce on him.

Karate training means nothing if your opponent is able to rise to their feet after molding a steel door or going through a brick wall with their body,while it would take a normal,trained human such as Batman deep concentration just to break a few brick with his limbs or body parts as well as avoiding injury or pain.Spider-Man is able to punch directly through steel without the slightest thought.Do you really think Batman's body is or can become as durable as that of steel?I think not.There is no option here.A fourth of Spider-Man's strength could kill Batman,karate master or not.

As for webs,I can see how one would think blades,decomposers and such when mentioned in a fight to someone with webs.Who wouldn't?But,let me point something out to you that is considered a trademark of the character where blades and acids prove useless:webbing to the face,source,or just plain gluing a person's limb to the ground or to their body in mid leap either willingly or instinctively (meaning by reflex).What is Batman going to do then:burn,cut,or blow himself up to get this goo off of him?By the time he escapes either one of these predicaments it will already be to late to dodge or defend himself before Spider-Man closes in and KO's him.

Batman is out of his league if he faces Spider-Man without any prep time.

whoa, man that is deep. but insanely true you worded it best.ninjas rock

tis site makes it sound like u think i think that batman can beat the silver surfer. nah. i just think he has is own share of ass' he can kick along with the ones he cant. i think that he can beat spiderman because of spiderman having the same weakness' as batman does, batman basicaly beats his opponent just by figuring out the weakness. a guy like silver surfer has no weakness. there for i dont think that batman can take him. this author points out that batman can just be beaten as easily a bullet and stuff. same goes with other superheros. spiderman probably would have been shot by now, superman died once, green arrow died once, someone could have just killed daredevil in one of those situations which he got caught. the only superhero who comes closest to reality is punisher, because he doesnt take sueprpowered villians on, he takes on humans. batman is a guy who once he gets a hit around, it really counted. since he never fought spiderman he might keep dodging things, studying him long enough till he notices some pattern, in how spiderman fights. and then makes a move and makes it count. but i could be wrong, obiously none of the ppl on this thread are going to change theyre mind. so all we can do is await the day bob kane and bill fingers rise from the dead and have a discusion about spiderman vs batman.

Originally posted by Domination
You have already duggen yourself in a hole,you know that,right?

But first,lets start with the enhanced abilities.You said enlightenment would be enough to handle the spider-sense.Again,this is YOUR vision of what a Batman should be -- not what's written in the comics.If Batman does not know about the spider-sense,there is no possible way for him to use force on Spider-Man without him knowing about it first.The spider-sense functions in two different ways:immediate and potential."Enlightenment" is not enough,especially to a person that is about as intelligent as you are.That would be like me tell you that Spider-Man stands a chance to Superman because he's better enlightening.

Walking as a shadow holds little to no baring on Spider-Man.With a spider-sense,he is able to detect more than just a punch from behind;he has eyes in the dark.This is how he was able to make Wonder Woman look like an amateur when she tried to fight him.But,to make it all so bad is she admitted him being better than she was.He would be able to detect the exact location in which Batman is hiding and pounce on him.

Karate training means nothing if your opponent is able to rise to their feet after molding a steel door or going through a brick wall with their body,while it would take a normal,trained human such as Batman [b]deep concentration just to break a few brick with his limbs or body parts as well as avoiding injury or pain.Spider-Man is able to punch directly through steel without the slightest thought.Do you really think Batman's body is or can become as durable as that of steel?I think not.There is no option here.A fourth of Spider-Man's strength could kill Batman,karate master or not.

As for webs,I can see how one would think blades,decomposers and such when mentioned in a fight to someone with webs.Who wouldn't?But,let me point something out to you that is considered a trademark of the character where blades and acids prove useless:webbing to the face,source,or just plain gluing a person's limb to the ground or to their body in mid leap either willingly or instinctively (meaning by reflex).What is Batman going to do then:burn,cut,or blow himself up to get this goo off of him?By the time he escapes either one of these predicaments it will already be to late to dodge or defend himself before Spider-Man closes in and KO's him.

Batman is out of his league if he faces Spider-Man without any prep time. [/B]

ok so batman has enlightenment is that DC's version of a zen/supergalactic one'ness kindathing? cause if it is it might not be the same as spidersense but just as usefull

Originally posted by batmanrules
tis site makes it sound like u think i think that batman can beat the silver surfer. nah. i just think he has is own share of ass' he can kick along with the ones he cant. i think that he can beat spiderman because of spiderman having the same weakness' as batman does, batman basicaly beats his opponent just by figuring out the weakness. a guy like silver surfer has no weakness. there for i dont think that batman can take him. this author points out that batman can just be beaten as easily a bullet and stuff. same goes with other superheros. spiderman probably would have been shot by now, superman died once, green arrow died once, someone could have just killed daredevil in one of those situations which he got caught. the only superhero who comes closest to reality is punisher, because he doesnt take sueprpowered villians on, he takes on humans. batman is a guy who once he gets a hit around, it really counted. since he never fought spiderman he might keep dodging things, studying him long enough till he notices some pattern, in how spiderman fights. and then makes a move and makes it count. but i could be wrong, obiously none of the ppl on this thread are going to change theyre mind. so all we can do is await the day bob kane and bill fingers rise from the dead and have a discusion about spiderman vs batman.

The author does not just go on about how a fan believes Batman can take on a Silver Surfer.He tells you how most fans would prefer the following of their own version of a Batman:

*has eyes in the back of his head
*can take on an army and win
*can bust into the most impregnable fortress with no explanation of how because "he's Batman"
*can escape any deathtrap with no explanation necessary because "he's Batman"
*gets about an hour of sleep a day
*goes into battle with broken limbs
*is twenty steps ahead of everyone else around him
*can repair time machines

...which is what you are trying to tell me in this message:"hell no. hes always going to be prepared for another power or whatever. he wont jump to the conclusion that this is all spiderman has and is all that batman has to work with." Statements one and two points right to this part of your message,does it not?

Spider-Man does not have the same weaknesses as Batman.He is able to take more punishment and his physical form clearly outclasses Batman at least 30x,and he's aided by a sense that allows him to react two steps ahead of his opponent.He is not in the same class.Batman looks for weaknesses,yes,but the majority of the time he doesn't have time to find a weakness.Facing a person like Spider-Man,he has very little time to find a weakness (more like seconds) before Spider-Man begans circling him with a series of somersaults and blows like a pinball.It is even possible that his cape would get tangled in a goo of webbing or around him to prevent any surprise attacks or him being as mobile.Spider-Man also looks for weaknesses just as much as Batman does.I could direct you to a few issues/pages confirming this.This is why you would constantly hear people pointing out how intelligent he is.He's book and street smart.

Originally posted by batmanrules
ask rages rermorse of the enlightenment, all i learned from him is that it can match the spidersense. maybe there is no way in hell that batman will notice a spidersense. but there is just as slim of a chance of spiderman knowing of batmans enlightenment. walking like the shadow has great capabilitys, against super speed they have great differances. u also give the exampe of spiderman getting batman while batman is in his hiding spot. lets put spiderman in the hiding spot this time. he is not quite enough to sneak up on batman or hide from batman. there are many examples of ppl trying to quietly come from behind batman. even in the animated series. batman standing on a building and night wing behind him. "i could here u from 3 buildings away." i dont know how he even knew it was nightwing but maybe it was part of the enlightenment. and the karate i didnt say that batman has him beat or even matched in that area, but it would do something. the way i see it the only thing that sets them apart is strength and intelligence. i will let u guys decide who will win, once again im going to leave, because i cant picture myself changing anyones mind. only an actual comic book fight between the 2, by stan lee bob kane and bill fingers will settle this.

You are kidding,right?Did this or did this not help him when the Predator snuck up on him?Spider-Man does not have to know about the way Batman is able to beat a fighter in order to take him down.His vulnerabilities already makes him vulnerable enough.Disabling his belt or is face would cause his "enlightenment" to be of little assistance to him.

Spider-Man does not have to see Batman to know when and where he's likely to attack next.He can sense him.How is Batman going to inflict pain to him if it appears difficult to get a weapon -- less alone a contact blow, near him?As long as Batman is ready to do any harm to Spider-Man,he will always be aware of his exact location.That is why shadows and ambushes don't work on him.he can basically see you.

Originally posted by Domination

[b]*has eyes in the back of his head
*can take on an army and win
*can bust into the most impregnable fortress with no explanation of how because "he's Batman"
*can escape any deathtrap with no explanation necessary because "he's Batman"
*gets about an hour of sleep a day
*goes into battle with broken limbs
*is twenty steps ahead of everyone else around him
*can repair time machines

[/B]

Originally posted by batmanrules
i am not one of those fans, the eyes in the back of his head is just called being prepared. he is always concentrated, listening for the smallest of sounds. dont think he can take out an army. there isnt an explanation on how he can bust into the pentagon, perhaps cause we cant, but he can. hes a brilliant escape artist. besides i think its cooler when he just appears in the area. makes him more mysterious towords us fans. gets an hour of sleep a day, what does that have to do with anything? goes into battle with broken limbs... yeah, so? im not exacly sure what the author ment by is 20 steps ahead of everyone, but if he means a crime investagation or tactic plan, hes the worlds greatest detective. the mechanics can repair cars that they havnt built. its not like batman built a time machine he just can see the problem and knows how to fix it. i dont think i made myself clear, but im going to leave this thread. these forums disturb my every day life of doing nothing. does anyone know how i can delete my account?

Eyes in the back of your head means being aware of your surroundings at all times,which Batman is not if the Predator was able to sneak up on him.Hardcore fans make it out as him having super/enhanced hearing and sight just because he's a martial artist.

I caught a small clip of the JLA toon not to long ago (while flipping through channels),and it happen to catch my eye when Batman was in the holding bed that Lex Luthor built -- strapped down and a disc over his head,making it impossible for any telepath to find him or for him to free anyone of his body parts.But,when it was time to escape,he was out and running about with no explanation to how he got free just before he clocks Joker in the mouth.This is what the author means by escaping any death trap.Just because he's Batman does not excuse the fact of him being in a tight hold.If he's human,there should be human explanations to how he was able to break out in the first place otherwise he is not human.

Twenty steps ahead of his opponent,I don't see how you couldn't see this.What the author meant by this one is Batman facing a person (with or without prep time) and plan 'A' fails him.Therefore,he goes straight to plan 'B',then plan 'C' if 'B' fails,'D' and so on.Which makes it impossible to hit or get near him without him anticipating your every move -- rather you're super human or not.Yet,the only people that seems to do this is HIS rogue of insane villains.

I would really like to break the others down as well,but this topic alone is winding.You'd have to go to the site in which I've provided in one of my messages.

Spiderman would wip batmans ass........hes way out of spidermans league

Originally posted by Domination
Eyes in the back of your head means being aware of your surroundings at all times,which Batman is not if the Predator was able to sneak up on him.Hardcore fans make it out as him having super/enhanced hearing and sight just because he's a martial artist.

I caught a small clip of the JLA toon not to long ago (while flipping through channels),and it happen to catch my eye when Batman was in the holding bed that Lex Luthor built -- strapped down and a disc over his head,making it impossible for any telepath to find him or for him to free anyone of his body parts.But,when it was time to escape,he was out and running about with no explanation to how he got free just before he clocks Joker in the mouth.This is what the author means by escaping any death trap.Just because he's Batman does not excuse the fact of him being in a tight hold.If he's human,there should be human explanations to how he was able to break out in the first place otherwise he is not human.

Twenty steps ahead of his opponent,I don't see how you couldn't see this.What the author meant by this one is Batman facing a person (with or without prep time) and plan 'A' fails him.Therefore,he goes straight to plan 'B',then plan 'C' if 'B' fails,'D' and so on.Which makes it impossible to hit or get near him without him anticipating your every move -- rather you're super human or not.Yet,the only people that seems to do this is HIS rogue of insane villains.

I would really like to break the others down as well,but this topic alone is winding.You'd have to go to the site in which I've provided in one of my messages.

i saw that episoid of JLA, there was an explanation. batman persuaded the cheetah to let him go. and still hes an excape artist. im sure that an author would be able to explain how he can break into these places. like when he broke into the pentagon. distract the gaurds somehow, possbly tear gas. quickly slip in and find some vent. and if there isnt vents, youve played metal gear solid have you? your capible of getting around the gaurds in that. so why cant batman? he has the skills of a ninja. im sure he can, the problem is that i dont. so i cant give u a more spacific answer. and still he can probably get a hold of the blue prints to these high security places. im sure robin can.

and i guess he is always a FEW steps ahead of everyone. hes extreamly tactical. he spent years becomming this way. its one of his "powers".

he has no powers hes a human who knows jujistsu and other fighting styles along with some gadgets and thats all he is............i cant even begin to fathom how u think batman could take spidey on..cuz he cant

*sigh* i dont even know where to start on how batman isnt just some guy who knows ju-jitsu and has a belt. not just ju-jitsu and a few others. all the major forms of comabat in the world. and to many ppl think that since batman has a belt, thats all there is to him. hes the worlds greatest detective. a crime fighting mastermind. and someone whos trained all over a the world for 12 years in healing techniques, physical combat, manhunting, detective work, escape artist tricks, ninja spy stuff, and a crazy amount of other things. read some things from earlier in this thread to learn more about batmans qualitys. (i didnt actualy mean superpowers)

Batman would eventually win; he has the tactical mind advantage over Spider-man, he can create gadgets that can get him out of any situation, he can make himself strong as anyone with the use of his different bat-suits and Spider-man is STILL a human being he just got bitten by a radioactive/genetically enhanced spider.

Originally posted by batmanrules
its not the martial arts that helps his knowing everything thats happening around him. its his complete concentration. and perephiral(how ever u spell it) vision. hes always aware. and i think that he has some kind of hearing aid, they mentioned in the ultimate guide. im not sure about that.

i saw that episoid of JLA, there was an explanation. batman persuaded the cheetah to let him go. and still hes an excape artist. im sure that an author would be able to explain how he can break into these places. like when he broke into the pentagon. distract the gaurds somehow, possbly tear gas. quickly slip in and find some vent. and if there isnt vents, youve played metal gear solid have you? your capible of getting around the gaurds in that. so why cant batman? he has the skills of a ninja. im sure he can, the problem is that i dont. so i cant give u a more spacific answer. and still he can probably get a hold of the blue prints to these high security places. im sure robin can.

and i guess he is always a FEW steps ahead of everyone. hes extreamly tactical. he spent years becomming this way. its one of his "powers".

No,it is martial arts training that enables him to be aware of his surroundings.Prime example,Iron Fist.He is a better combatant than Batman.His art of mastery is far more advanced,which explains why he is able to punch through a steel plate with his fist.He has no superhuman powers of any kind,but ,due to his martial arts training,he is able to tell when a person or object is near him.

Want proof?In Spider-Man #43,near the beginning of the story,Spider-Man and Iron Fist leaps off a bridge (previously fleeing from a group of platoon soldiers) as they are falling.Iron Fist is caught in the shoulder by a passing bullet from one of the many guns firing at them.Spider-Man's exact words were,"Iron Fist?!? Fist is so well-trained in combat that I sometimes forget he doesn't share my spider-sense."

Now,to prove that this wasn't enough for him in a straight fight.In Amazing Spider-Man #380,Iron Fist fights a cloned villain of Spider-Man's known as Doppelganger (a.k.a. Spider Doppeler).After Doppel is pissed-off by Iron Fist,he begans leaping around him -- without Iron Fist able to connect not one single punch.Iron Fist's exact words (just before getting KO'd by Doppeler) was,"So quick! Didn't know it could MOVE that..." BOK!

As I said before,enlightenment means squat if that is all you'll be bringing to a fight.

As for how many steps he's ahead of a person,I'm quite confident that you've read the story HUSH.He was outsmarted by a certain someone (I forget who) in the story with him and Croc first duking it out just before Catwoman shows up or something like that.Anyway,he didn't have a single plan to back himself up after being duped.This proves he's not several steps ahead of his opponent.The most he has is a two step plan,if that,in a straight fight UNLESS he prepares himself before hand.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Batman would eventually win; he has the tactical mind advantage over Spider-man, he can create gadgets that can get him out of any situation, he can make himself strong as anyone with the use of his different bat-suits and Spider-man is STILL a human being he just got bitten by a radioactive/genetically enhanced spider.

Couldn't we say the very same thing about Batman?He's more human than Peter Parker.Afterall,he is just some rich boy with a heap of money at his supply.Without it,he is as useless as any other person.

And all this about the batsuits and such,don't you know that this kind of work takes time to prepare?That is why they call it 'prep time'.Without this aiding him,he has very little chances to defeating Spider-Man -- which is what the entire topic is based on.It doesn't say,"Batman with prep time vs Spider-Man" or vice-versa.It says Spider-Man verses Batman.Meaning,what each person uses and does on a daily bases to fight crime.I don't see Spider-Man nor Batman coming to a daily crime scene or fight with a custom suit or weapon of their choosing everyday.Only when they "anticipate" a problem is when these options come into play.

Yeah, but you've got to realise that although Spider-Man has got enhanced strength he doesn't always use it to his full potential, he relies on his webbing which every super-villian he fights figures out it can be cut, and Batman's too agile and smart to dodge it

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Yeah, but you've got to realise that although Spider-Man has got enhanced strength he doesn't always use it to his full potential, he relies on his webbing which every super-villian he fights figures out it can be cut, and Batman's too agile and smart to dodge it

That's funny you mentioned that.But,first,let me point out something to you about Batman.He relies on a belt.He has no super powers of any kind.So,if this belt is disabled at anytime or he miscalculates a move during the fight to someone as weak as Green Arrow,Bat,man is bound to lose.

Now,lets us move onto Spider-Man,you are simply confusing Spider-Man with Batman.And you think that just because Batman is intelligent that Spider-Man isn't?Don't kid yourself.There are about three pages which I have explained HOW Spider-Man is likely to defeat Batman as well as counter everything he has or can do,but since I'm a little tired of repeating myself I guess it wouldn't hurt you none to take a look at them.One of them were concerning his webbing.Here is one of my quotes:

"As for webs,I can see how one would think blades,decomposers and such when mentioned in a fight to someone with webs.Who wouldn't?But,let me point something out to you that is considered a trademark of the character where blades and acids prove useless:webbing to the face,source,or just plain gluing a person's limb to the ground or to their body in mid leap either willingly or instinctively (meaning by reflex).What is Batman going to do then:burn,cut,or blow himself up to get this goo off of him?By the time he escapes either one of these predicaments it will already be to late to dodge or defend himself before Spider-Man closes in and KO's him."

If this site wasn't so bogus,I could post a few pics of the character in action.