In the realm of console gaming, a higher percentage of gamers are underage (44%). Thirty-six percent of console gamers are 18 to 35 years old, and 20% are age 36 and older.
I have some sources too, According to this, I would say that means about 63% are less than 24years old. Im off a bit, but we ARE talking about console games right? Unless ETM is avail on PC, and I havnt heard that.
Anyway, point is gone, Praise the Matrix, Praise ! lol
Re: Question fro WIZARD
Originally posted by dragoon
Hey, Wiz, I'm still not clear on one thing - the architect said that zion was detroyed 5 times before, does he mean in actuality destroyed and repopulated or in terms of a simulation mean to loop the anomaly so he could minimize it.And just WHAT does Smith mean when he calls the Oracle 'mom' na dhow was it explained that her appreance changed?
1. Zion was totaly destroyed 5 times then rebuilt by the one and the members he selected from the matrix.
2. The oracle was stated to be the mother of the matrix in M2, but it goes beyond that.
Imo I think she is the one who created The Smith virus. As stated by the Oracle herself In M3. The Arc's job is to keep balance, while it is her job to make things unblanced. It was Smith's job once he became an exiled program to create havoc with in the matrix. In other words to make it unbalanced. He was evil and didnt follow the rules anymore.
While Neo in the end followed the rules, and went back to the source.
In a way it could be summed up like this.
The Arc & Neo followed the Rules.
The Oracle and Smith did not.
Now as far as The Oracles New Avatar or skin. If you played Enter The Matrix. You would have seen that her code was stolen By Mero, so she had to get a New avatar or skin, to put it simple.
Re: Re: Question fro WIZARD
Originally posted by Metamorphisis
Her appearance is changed because she helped Neo, and because she helped Neo, her shell program was terminated (I believe by the Merovingian in ETM, but I've not had a chance to play it yet) so she had to find a new shell to operate from.
Re: Re: Question fro WIZARD
Originally posted by -=Urot=-
Imo I think she is the one who created The Smith virus. As stated by the Oracle herself In M3. The Arc's job is to kee blance, while it is her job to make thing unblanced. It was Smith's job once he became an exiled program to create havoc with in the matrix. In other words to make it unbalanced. He was evil and didnt follow the rules anymore.
Cool, Wizard
Thanks for the quick reply... sure, I have some other questions if you know them.
The Architect said that those who want out will be unplugged - how will they know if they're in the matrix.
If Zion gets smoked everytime, why do all of a sudden the machines decide to make a truce?
Also, what is exactly Smith, was he programmed by the architect to balance out Neo (I guess they just lost control of him)
DID Smith ASSIMILATE EVERYONE in the Matrix and were they all freed after?
Is the master machine actually the architect?
When a new Zion is built, do they reboot the Matrix or just keep it running?
Is the one meant to set the rest of the Zionites free - in M1, Morpheus spoke of a man born inside the Matrix who shaped the world as he saw fit, was this Neo's predecessor?
Sorry to keep bombarding, but so far, you seem like the only reliable person on this matter in the whole damn forum 🙂
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One of the statistics on video gamers I gave you was straight from the Census poll!! And yes ETM is available on the PC - but, console games are the popular choice for anyage. Saga Dreamcast and Sony playstation console systems were designed for the 18 to 30 age group. I used to work at a Local Gamers store and this was a very big point that all the Saga and Sony reps wanted to make, along with the majority of the literature and the game ratings..
You don't have to praise the matrix just to admit you're wrong about the statistics. If you didn't like it then you didn't like it. However I think that the instance of the Oracle having a new body was a very interesting twist in the plot.
Though it is sad that Gloria Foster died -- she so liked candy. 🙁
ok, the mother of the matrix, AKA Oracle, did not design Smith, but he is acknowledging the fact that she is the Mother of the current matrix, the reason Smith is Smith...in that respect, it is her fault, however, Oracle says that "he is you, your opposite, your negative, the result of the system trying to balance the equation" and then she says the Archie is trying to "balance the matrix"...this meant, to me, that Archie created Smith, created the "cataclysmic system crash" to keep the one in line...and, i dont think Neo is dead. Also, it seems to me that Sati is more powerful than other programs, she can change the Matrix itself...
Just a thought:
Everyone keeps saying the masses were unhappy with revo and it is true. I don’t think when the W. bros came up with this story they were thinking, "hey lets make a movie the whole world will love" it can only truly be understood by people who think like they do. Do I truly think people who don’t get the movies are "dummies", no; they just don’t think the same. Not smarter not dumber just different
Re: Cool, Wizard
Originally posted by dragoon
Thanks for the quick reply... sure, I have some other questions if you know them.The Architect said that those who want out will be unplugged - how will they know if they're in the matrix.
The Oracle made the Architect promis to release the others. Not that they had a choice. Most likely it will be done gradually by members of Zion hacking into the matrix and slowly showing people the truth.
If Zion gets smoked everytime, why do all of a sudden the machines decide to make a truce?
I have to answer this in two parts -- the first part being that the machines always wanted peace, but the humans would not let them have it. For the details on this you must watch the Animatrix.
The second part is that Smith has become a virus. He is running through-out the Matrix and would soon infect the machine's network and their beings, since they are integrated into the matrix.
So Neo says that he will stop Smith if they accept Peace. It is beyond machines to lie, persay, but they also understand that the humans are fighting the same fight that the machines were orriginally fighting -- just for their freedom, and that their numbers, and the lessons learned, could be enough to allow for peace. Why continue the game if there is no need to?
Also, what is exactly Smith, was he programmed by the architect to balance out Neo (I guess they just lost control of him)
No. He was programmed simply as an agent, but, when Neo "destroyed" him in M1 it caused a shift in the Smith program. This can be taken from quotes from both Smith and the Architect:
Smith: "I don't know how it happened, perhaps some part of you copied over me...."
Architect: "Precisely, as you are undoubtedly gathering the anomaly is systemic. Creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations."
He became more like a virus that is the result of Neo's mathmatical anomaly. When he destroyed Smith, Smith became another variable in the mathmatical equation that is now trying to balance itself out.
DID Smith ASSIMILATE EVERYONE in the Matrix and were they all freed after?
Is the master machine actually the architect?
No. The architect is an AI program on the Machine Mainframe. He lives in the computer network and has no form other than binary code outside of the construct of the matrix. (Notice I said construct -- that's because when Neo visited him, they were not inside the actual Matrix)
When a new Zion is built, do they reboot the Matrix or just keep it running?
This is a tricky one. There are two running theories on this. One says that the matrix is "rebooted" and it starts over at 1900 to run for the next 100 year cycle. I find this hard to believe because, as Trinity said, "The matrix cannot tell you who you are." That's not the only reason, but the simplest reason behind my view. They would have to reprogram everyone's minds to believe that they were in 1900 instead of 1999.
An accepted theory is that time is of no relivance inside the matrix, and that, because of that, no one notices that the time continues to repeat (a much simpler solution than reprogramming everyone for the year 1900 -- since you only have to warp the sense of time). I think that's very plausable.
Honestly I have another theory that is beyond the scope of your question because it is only a portion of a much larger theory that has nothing to do with this thread or any of your questions. 😛 If you're interested, send me a PM. But I think these answers should satisfy you.
Is the one meant to set the rest of the Zionites free - in M1, Morpheus spoke of a man born inside the Matrix who shaped the world as he saw fit, was this Neo's predecessor?
Again, a multi-part answer for a multi-part question. I'll start with what Morpheus spoke of.
Morpheus was telling Neo about the prophecy in M1. At that time, no on knew of Neo's predecessor[b]s. So the man Morpheus spoke of was the previous anomaly, who was born inside the matrix, but went through the motions much the same way Neo did. He wasn't able to just manipulate things and set people free. Think about it, wouldn't he have tried to set EVERYONE free? And how did he realize that his powers were part of a computer program? When he set himself free, who rebuilt his atrophied muscles? -- No, nothing more than a previous anomaly simular to Neo.
So, the man Morpheus spoke of was the most recent of Neo's predecessors. And he could manipulate the Matrix in much the same way Neo could.
But Zion was a form of control for the machines to protect themselves from this anomaly. The anomaly, or the one if you prefer, was only ment to believe he was here to set the people free. In the end, he was the ultimate desicion maker in killing Zion and rebuilding it, or killing Zion and risking the possibility of killing all humans.
So, no he was not there to set them free as the prophecy spoke of.
Sorry to keep bombarding, but so far, you seem like the only reliable person on this matter in the whole damn forum 🙂 [/B]
LoL It's not a problem, though I must say I'm not the only capable person here. 😄 The flattery is much accepted though, as sometimes I feel a little ignored! If you would like me to answer any more questions about general details, or to elaborate on things I've said, just PM me by clicking on the little PM button on the bottom of my post. 😛 You may also confuse a lot of people calling me Wiz - that would be my title. Meta, Metamorphisis, Wizard, or Wiz -- they all work for me though. 😆
Really couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread, so apologies if someone has already mentioned this.
How many times on this forum, and others i might add do we have to listen to this:
"U didn't like the movie? Thats because u didn't understand it."
That is probably the most childish and embarrasing comeback ever. It IS possible for someone to FULLY understand the Matrix movies and NOT like them. Fact.
Originally posted by dundarz
Really couldn't be bothered to read the whole thread, so apologies if someone has already mentioned this.How many times on this forum, and others i might add do we have to listen to this:
"U didn't like the movie? Thats because u didn't understand it."
That is probably the most childish and embarrasing comeback ever. It IS possible for someone to FULLY understand the Matrix movies and NOT like them. Fact.
Fact: 75% of the people who did not like the movie did not understand it.
Fact: the other 25% do not like philosophy, counter culture, questioning authority, or deeper meanings.
Fact: Those percentages, while made up, do hold some truth to the fact that everyone who argues they do not like the movie cannot give any logical reason why they didn't like it -- or argue plot-holes that do not exist.
Fact: I have yet to hear someone who didn't like the movie say: I understand all the hidden meanings, metaphores, quasi-biblical and literary references, and psesedue-philosophy/psychology/socialigy -- and "I still think it blows".
Fact: Those of us who say "You didn't like it because you didn't understand it" give supporting facts for every detail, whereas I have yet to see someone who didn't like the movie give anything but pure opinion.
Fact: Your arguement saying that it's childish to say someone didn't (or most likely didn't) understand the movie is childish in itself.
Opinion: If you didn't like it, and you're only going to ***** about it, then why bother coming to a place where you know everyone is going to say "You must not have understood it"?
Opinion: Why bother trying to argue opinions in the first place? No one ever wins and it just makes those of you who don't like it sound like a bunch of freaks who have nothing better to do than whine.
Opinion: If all some one is going to do is *****, moan and complain, then why waste the time and energy? Don't you have something better to do than to convince us that your opinion is the right one?
Opinion: You must not have thought it was to bad otherwise you wouldn't subject yourself to arguements where people are going to tell you that "You must not have understood it" and try to help you grasp the meaning better through arguing facts and references with supporting facts, citing where those facts are, logic, reason, and the like. So if you didn't think it was to bad to subject yourself to that why bother trying to convince everyone else that it was bad -- let them make up their own damn minds.
Opinion: If you really hated the movie and are here to convince people not to see it, or that it sucked, thus forcing your own opinion on them, then you must be afraid that you are going to be in the minority, so you must convince others it was bad too. In doing so you only display your lack of understanding because the movie had strong anti-conformist and strong freedom of choice themes, whereas you would be trying to get people to conform to your view simply based on opinion, and you are thus taking away their freedom of choice to decide for themselves what they thought.
This is why I am here. I am the eventuality of a probability that there will be pressure on those who have not seen the movies to have a pre-disposition that it sucked. My purpose is to balance out the equation; to give freedom of choice back to those who have not see the movie and collected the information needed to make an informed opinion for themselves. And as long as there is a single breath in my body I will not give up this fight, and I welcome those who want to question me and my motives. 🙂
Meta, you krack me up. Movies are made for the masses, not the 5% that gives a krap about the ultra exxagerated "Deep" philosophical, hidden, religious meanings. This is the same 5% that likely bought the comics and animatrix's , played the video game, etc. Again, the millions of people are supposed to go thoughall these hurdles just to fully understand whats going on>? Thats total bull.