For those who did not like revo

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You seem to be in the minority, because the majority of those whom I know, even at 30, still collect comic books, especially the old marvel, or the Crow series, and, yes, the matrix.

Movies are a format for entertainment, but the writers determin who they want to gear it for, and the brothers did not intend this to be some half-wit movie, they wanted it to push at our very definitions of reality. Required reading material before the cast ever read the script included books like Jean Baudrillard's bood "Simulacra and Simulation" as well as eastern philosophy like the Tao, and also, philosophers who toy with the very concept of reality like Rene Descartes. Now, I may be one of the 2% of the population who's read the 15th century author Dante's Devine comedy about the levels of hell, and the journey through purgatory to heaven, who's read the Tao, Rene Descartes, and Simulacra Simulation before the first movie ever came out -- which gives me a good head start -- and I may be the only person here who's read any of that at all. But my point is that the majority of us on this forum were able to pick these movies apart, and disect the meanings behind them -- WHICH all literary and Motion Picture works are for. There are actually deeper meanings in movies like Rambo III -- if you are willing to disect it. That is what story telling is for, but somehow in our mind bending society that got lost in the translation and we have become a society of narssisistic, gluttoniful, prideful, sloths who expect things to be passed to us only for the pure entertainment shock-factor value, and if the deeper meanings cannot be spelled out blatently for all to see, and it can't fit into a 30 second sentence to accomadate our ever shrinking attention spans, then it's lost on us. Why would you want to fall victim to that?

Metamorphisis - Replied to PM. 🙂

IMO Theres no doubt this tale of the Matrix is a work of art, but isn't it true that every person can take a different meaning from any work of art? Two people can look at the same painting/ read the same book etc and get completely different meanings?
Also there are different degrees of understanding, some people may have no comprehension of the true meanings of the Matrix and just enjoy the action, others might kinda get an idea of whats going on, and then we build up to the level of understanding being reached in these forums!

Well said that man.

As i've said to MM in PM, i know people who haven't got a f****** clue whats going on in the Matrix movies and they still love them. I s'pose what i am saying is this:

There will be people who DO understand the Matrix movies and LIKE them.

There will be people who DON'T understand the Matrix movies and LIKE them.

There will be people who DO understand the Matrix movies and NOT LIKE them

There will be people who DON'T understand the Matrix movies and NOT LIKE them.

You see, it doesn't matter what group you belong to because you are an individual and you can make you own mind up. I personally am in the top group (despite minor reservations about Revs) and i have absolutely no problem with anyone else in the other groups. Its all opinion anyway.

You know what they say about internet forums : "Its all opinions and assholes."

The reason the machines stoped the attack is because Neo stated that he wanted to make Peace.

If you noticed when Neo go to the Machine City, The Machine leader had an emotional out burst at him. The Leader stated that "WE DONT NEED ANYTHING FROM YOU!"

Then Neo say Let me say what I have to say. Then after that you can do what you want. You can even kill me.

Neo goes on to say that he wants to make peace with the Machines.

If you remember 1 & 2nd Res the Machines wanted peace from the start, but the humans were not willing to give it a try.

Yes the Machines are still pissed at mankind, but they do feel that peace can be achived. So they let Neo fight Smith in the place of the Humans in Zion. That is why the Sentinels stopped their attack.

When Neo won, the war was over. The Machine leader kept his side of the deal. He was also impressed with Neo. That He took Neo's body away for an (impiled) Special bural.

Again if you really look at the Machines. They really wanted to get along with the humans. Remember the first Matrix was created as a paradise. Even though they had captured the humans, they still wanted to make them comfortable in a way.

Problem was they kept waking up. The machines knew that they had to keep them asleep, so they redid the Matrix based on the humans violent nature.

Now that the war is over, it will be interesting to see how the storyline plays out in the new online game.

Thank you Dundarz! I think you managed to explain what i was trying to say! Im with you in the grouping, well, at least i think i understand them! Theres still some bits im working on!

Okay. Let’s not accuse each other of stupidity, just because we do not agree.
Some people saw Revolutions and thought it was brilliant. Others hated it, and then you have everyone in between.
Some people did get it, and just didn’t like it anyways. And some didn’t get it, and were still thrilled.

For the FULL experience, you need The Matrix, Matrix Reloaded, Animatrix and ETM. You need everything, and only hard-core fans probably had it all. Your everyday critic will ask about, say, The Kid, and not know about the Animatrix Story, and why it’s important the Kid, again, says “Neo, I believe.”
However: Some people will HATE it, simply because Neo and Trinity dies. Some will hate it, because some questions ARE left opened at the end (which I, personally, find very enjoyable. It makes the movie slightly surreal – interpretation as per the individual).

Meta> 😆

Tshirt> First Warning. “Get off your high horse and put its dick up your ass, Mother Superior.” I won’t allow that kind of language.

Urot> No, The Oracle didn’t create the Smith virus. NEO did. At the very end of M1. It WAS, indeed, the cataclysmic system crash, which the Architect mentions at the end of Reloaded. The “equation truing to balance itself”. Making Smith not 0, but –1 in terms of mathematics.
The Oracle was not here to balance, but to “UN-balance” the equation, that means she would assist one part of it (Neo, The One), and not the other (Smith, The Negative One).

I think a big reason alot of people are dissapointed with Revs is because of all the hype, i mean this has been one of the most hyped up films i can remember, who the heck is gonna live up to that?

Originally posted by tshirt
Do you even listen to yourself?
They say they didn't like the movie. And you give them shit?
You are a smack head.

Just because you liked it doesn't mean other will or do. Many "get it" but don't like it. The reviews are HORRIBLE for the movie, and most of the movie reviewers understand the movie. It is just their opinion that it is bad. Of those that like the movie, very, very few think it is great. Almost all say it is a big let down from the prior movies.

Get off your high horse and put its dick up your ass, Mother Superior.

Now I'm gonna give U shit a$$ hole.
U are an opinionated prick with a giant ego, and ur ideas about horse FU**ING are probably ones that have been taken in to practice by u.
So try not to give US shit, and get off YOUR high horse, and stick YOUR d!ck up its ass. 😉

Originally posted by The Omega
Urot> No, The Oracle didn’t create the Smith virus. NEO did. At the very end of M1. It WAS, indeed, the cataclysmic system crash, which the Architect mentions at the end of Reloaded. The “equation truing to balance itself”. Making Smith not 0, but –1 in terms of mathematics.
The Oracle was not here to balance, but to “UN-balance” the equation, that means she would assist one part of it (Neo, The One), and not the other (Smith, The Negative One).

I know omega. I was just coming from the stand point of "Duelism". That way I stated that there are world religons that believe that Satan and Jesus are equals.

The Arc + The Oracle.

Neo + Smith.

She may not have created the virus, but she did have a hand in promoting it.

How did she promote the virus? I kinda see the reasons why she might have, but how?

Celcius> Same warning. Let’s keep it civil here, please.

Urot> As far as the Oracle being the mother, and the one who stumbled upon the solution (which in turn lead to The One, and thereby to the cataclysmic system crash) you’re right.
But the dualism is a little tricky.
You also have the
Neo+Trinity. When she died, it was kinda obvious Neo would also die (WEEPS again… ahem… Finds handkerchief). The look on Neo’s face, when Smith ran him into the ground from the skies, was …

I have to go t work now, bit I will say this. She knew everyone wold have to get taken over by smith.

If you remember her candy was a form of control, so neo didnt take it, but she gave the cookies to seraph. Imo that cookie had code in it for him not to fight smith.

Also she sent him (seraph away inorder for smith to make his move.

I will explain more when I get back in here later. 😉

Okay, this thread already exists. The "Why oh why", so I'll merge the two.

i dont really no if i liked the movi or not. i definetly didnt think it was as good as the second. i thought the ending was horrible. first of all, they shouldnt have made neo blind. that was jus plain stuid. second of all, i hate how trinity died. i thought she and neo were gonna liv. and finally, it was stupid how neo had to die to kill smith. neo is "The One". he shoulda been able to kill him without dyin himself. but on the other hand, all the matriz movies were great except this one jus didnt meet my expectations. ❌

I think what Spock said in star trek II sums up why neo sacrificed himself "Sometimes the needs of the many out way the needs of the one". Neo still lives in all of us

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I tell ya, Its really sad that so many people saw the Trilogy and still didn't get it. Sheesh it seems like most of the dopes were just looking for Big explosions and huge fight scenes. Man the total concept of the trilogy went right over their tiny heads. ❌

Funny, all I saw were big explosions and anti-climatic fight scenes

Omega

💃 Only holding out for those who have not seen it yet!!! ✅

**Walks up to Ex Deux Didnotlikedarevos**

I only came here to say what I have to say. After that you can do what you want with me, I won't fight you.

😆😆😆😆😆😆

Originally posted by The Omega
Celcius> Same warning. Let’s keep it civil here, please.

Urot>You also have the Neo+Trinity. When she died, it was kinda obvious Neo would also die (WEEPS again… ahem… Finds handkerchief). The look on Neo’s face, when Smith ran him into the ground from the skies, was …

Priceless! 😄

Omega did you notice Neo was not seeing in code after a hit like that?

I guess Smith Beat the code out of him!! L😂L!

Big pappa Smith took Neo out to the back shed for some one on one counseling with a leather belt! Hehehe! Neo was getting tossed around like an old rag doll! 😛

Omg I did not shed one tear in revolution but when I read tshirt's post on this first page I have to say, man you are so right *sniff*....hehehe

FACE IT ppl it's a total letdown, you say ppl dont get it hah!. Whats to get about a watered down semi-conclu.....woe that's giving it to much, miniscule conclusion. The critics get it, they eat up this lovey-dovey "believe" bullshit and guess what things are'nt turning up peachy are they. You say ppl here know more huh, ok then reloaded seemed to have gotten a good responce look at the mixed responce for revolutions. Why dont you guys step it up a level and start to realize, start to get IT but, you know what it's ok you choose to "believe" and I "believe" all the ppl who liked this movie will be paying a subscription fee for the matrix on-line.

Wach. Bros. Imperssion : Muahahahahahaha!!!! money, money, money!!!!! Chumps their all chumps!!. *running to the bank with money spilling out of their pockets*

Hey you guys never know if one of the wach. Bros. has another bad split with a former wife maybe they will make another matrix movie.