Originally posted by Afro Cheese
It's already easy as hell for kids to get drugs because dealers don't take ID's. As long as you got the money you can get whatever you want.If I wanted to I could walk a couple blocks or so and buy some crack, no problem. But if I want some beer.. well then I'll need either a fake ID or an adult.
Exactly. If drugs were as readily available as alcohol and more easy to get then what would happen? Alcohol abuse and negtative consequences times 100.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Currently the price for illegal drugs has a markup up to 17000%. Dope pushers can charge whatever they want cause you can't get it anywhere else.Yeah, I'd have to say they'd probably be cheaper.
At first yes. Economically it would increase though. People become addicted to drugs. As their consumption for drugs rise so does their addiction. As their addiction rises so does their demand for the drugs. If the supply cannot meet the demand, then guess what? The price increases. As people become more and more addicted their demands would rise. The supply would never meet the demand. The prices would rise increasingly. It would be an inefficent market.
Originally posted by Draco69
Alpha, there's no need to act pretentious nor insulting. It's beneath you. Grow up.That's just an example. Another one would be the effects of drugs on teenagers. Our youth are public goods. They are future workers, presidents, and contributions to society. If drugs were legalized a whole generation would suffer. Thus slowing the advancement of society itself.
There's no need to get so serious. It's beneath you, lighten up.
See? Works both ways champ 😉.
It's an example, yeah. But then I could say to you that power tools should be banned because one maniac could get his hands on it and go on a killing spree throughout his town. It's certainly no reason to ban them.
A whole generation wouldn't suffer, what are you talking about? Am I saying there are no negatives? No. The fact is, alcohol and cigarettes are legal and they kill more, right? Exactly. You don't want them to be illegal I'm assuming, since you've conveniently left that out.
Secondly, I'm not so self-rightous and presumptuous that I believe I should force my beliefs on everyone else. Do I think it's good to take heroin? Absolutely not. Do I think it's good to take shrooms? Yes. For someone else, that might be the complete reverse. You have no place to tell people what they can and cannot take into their bodies.
The supply of drugs is not limitless? So Marijuana is all of a sudden a cocktail of chemicals? Shrooms are born in some lab? I suggest research. If you don't believe the market could benefit from taxing marijuana............again I suggest research.
-AC
Originally posted by Draco69
At first yes. Economically it would increase though. People become addicted to drugs. As their consumption for drugs rise so does their addiction. As their addiction rises so does their demand for the drugs. If the supply cannot meet the demand, then guess what? The price increases. As people become more and more addicted their demands would rise. The supply would never meet the demand. The prices would rise increasingly. It would be an inefficent market.
That is a baseless assumpton. We have not run out of cigarettes or alcohol.
Originally posted by Draco69It's common sense. You walk down the street in a certain neighborhood and you'll offered drugs up front several times regarless of your age. I've never heard of any teen walking into a convenient store and being pressured into buying alcohol by the clerk.
Unfortunately statistics and records say otherwise. Your personal experience does not translate into facts unfortunately.
But if you have statistics that prove me wrong, by all means, lets see em.
Originally posted by Draco69
That's faulty. And actually bolsters my arguement. Alcohol is widespread and easily bought. Imagine what would happen if drugs were legalized? The number of divorces and child abuse statistics would rise dramatically.ONE drug (alcohol) causes devastating effects to society. Why legalize a whole strew of them to plague society.
People, when you mention alcohol you just happen to help the arguement for con drug legalization.
now PLEASE dont avoid this again
i want an answer
DO YOU FEEL THAT ALCOHOL SHOULD BE ILLEGAL?
according to what you state here, the answer is yes. you seem to acknowledge that alcohol is an addictive, dangerous, and destrucive substance...a.k.a. "drug". it is a 'plague to society' as you indirectly refer to it.
if you say 'YES' you will not have my agreement, but you WILL have my respect. i respect those who truely understand what they believe and stick to it.
if you say 'NO' then you have my agreement, but lose my respect, in that you are commiting a blatent hypocracy.
please respond
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
There's no need to get so serious. It's beneath you, lighten up.See? Works both ways champ 😉.-AC
Actually it doesn't. Insulting other members isn't the same as the comment you have made now.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's an example, yeah. But then I could say to you that power tools should be banned because one maniac could get his hands on it and go on a killing spree throughout his town. It's certainly no reason to ban them.
Power tools don't equal illegal drugs. Why? They aren't addictive. They don't deteoriate mental faculties. They don't cost billions in healthcare. And they certainly cause millions of death.
Bad comparision.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
A whole generation wouldn't suffer, what are you talking about? Am I saying there are no negatives? No. The fact is, alcohol and cigarettes are legal and they kill more, right? Exactly. You don't want them to be illegal I'm assuming, since you've conveniently left that out.
You don't understand. Alcohol and cigarettes are legal, yes? So if illegal drugs were made legal what would happen? The exact same results as the alcohol and cigarettes as they would be now legal. More accessability. Low price. Same negative consequences. Just more so because now alcohol and cigarettes have new friends to kill more people.
Illegal drugs kill people.
Illegal drugs made legal kill even MORE people.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Secondly, I'm not so self-rightous and presumptuous that I believe I should force my beliefs on everyone else. Do I think it's good to take heroin? Absolutely not. Do I think it's good to take shrooms? Yes. For someone else, that might be the complete reverse. You have no place to tell people what they can and cannot take into their bodies.
I was specifically addressing the manner you counter another's arguement. You degrade their intelligence and their arguement itself.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The supply of drugs is not limitless? So Marijuana is all of a sudden a cocktail of chemicals? Shrooms are born in some lab? I suggest research. If you don't believe the market could benefit from taxing marijuana............again I suggest research..
It's not. The demand cannot meet the supply. The demand would continue to rise exponentially and the corporations would not be able to meet the demand. The market would fail.
The market would not benefit from taxing marijuana. The tax would be mostly payed the consumer. The poor would suffer. They would not be able to afford such a tax. And the medical coverages of illegal drugs' negative consequences would dwarf the tax income for the government.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
That is a baseless assumpton. We have not run out of cigarettes or alcohol.
Am I the only person against this. My fingers are tired.
Cigarette/alcohol companies have vast revenues and market history to meet the demand.
And the above drugs are nowhere near the addictive qualities of some illegal drugs.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How many personal drug experiences have you had Draco?Coz, you know. Saying they should all be banned would be extremely bad for your arguement if you haven't.....you know....bothered to research the practically or otherwise. Which is the impression I'm getting from your posts.
-AC
None. I'm a proud non-drug taker.
I'm arguing economically. It just wouldn't work.
Originally posted by Draco69
Am I the only person against this. My fingers are tired.Cigarette/alcohol companies have vast revenues and market history to meet the demand.
And the above drugs are nowhere near the addictive qualities of some illegal drugs.
And if the drugs are made legal, they would too.
Coca, Morphine plants (from which heroin derives from), Weed, shrooms etc etc etc are natural plants and can be grown in excess - just like they are.
Originally posted by PVS
now PLEASE dont avoid this again
i want an answerDO YOU FEEL THAT ALCOHOL SHOULD BE ILLEGAL?
according to what you state here, the answer is yes. you seem to acknowledge that alcohol is an addictive, dangerous, and destrucive substance...a.k.a. "drug". it is a 'plague to society' as you indirectly refer to it.
if you say 'YES' you will not have my agreement, but you WILL have my respect. i respect those who truely understand what they believe and stick to it.
if you say 'NO' then you have my agreement, but lose my respect, in that you are commiting a blatent hypocracy.
please respond
Avoid? Sorry. Give me a break. I'm arguing against FOUR of you. Sorry if I missed something.
Do I think alcohol should be banned? Honestly? Yes. It would save so many lives and money. The economy would drastically improve and society at large would benefit.
However you don't recognize that alcohol and cigarettes kill millions of people due to its legality. If illegal drugs were made legal, then the negative effects would dwarf them. More people will die needlessly, and more money would be put to waste.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Infact, I pose yet another few questions.A) Have you ever taken Mushrooms?
B) Do you think they should stay illegal?
If answer to A is no and the answer to B is yes. I suggest taking them and getting back to me.
-AC
Mushrooms? I've eaten them....
Clarify please.
And no I'm taking ANY harmful substance into my body. I won't even eat McDonalds.
Originally posted by Draco69
Actually it doesn't. Insulting other members isn't the same as the comment you have made now.
Good thing I never insulted you then. Moving on....
Originally posted by Draco69
Power tools don't equal illegal drugs. Why? They aren't addictive. They don't deteoriate mental faculties. They don't cost billions in healthcare. And they certainly cause millions of death.Bad comparision.
No, not bad. Exaggerated. The point was responsibility. Here's my main question, because we all know you hate drugs. So I say this: WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS WHAT SOMEONE TAKES INTO THEIR BODY? Answer: Zero, nada, none. You don't like it, great. I agree on most fronts. The difference between us is that I'm not willing to stop someone doing what they like because I don't like it.
Originally posted by Draco69
You don't understand. Alcohol and cigarettes are legal, yes? So if illegal drugs were made legal what would happen? The exact same results as the alcohol and cigarettes as they would be now legal. More accessability. Low price. Same negative consequences. Just more so because now alcohol and cigarettes have new friends to kill more people.Illegal drugs kill people.
Illegal drugs made legal kill even MORE people.
Marijuana is an illegal drug. We all know how much of a killer that is don't we?
No. You're wrong. Illegal drugs made legal just give more people access. If you're not interested in heroin now, you won't be when it's legal. Legalisation doesn't immediately mean that all of a sudden there is gonna be millions of people who never touched it, buying it purely because it's legal. Your rationale is extremely holy. By that I don't mean gospel, I mean full of holes.
Originally posted by Draco69
I was specifically addressing the manner you counter another's arguement. You degrade their intelligence and their arguement itself.
I don't degrade what isn't already stupid. I've debated with people on here before to no effect like that. If you talk shit, I'll say you do. And you sir, are coughing it up. That's no insult, it's fact.
Originally posted by Draco69
It's not. The demand cannot meet the supply. The demand would continue to rise exponentially and the corporations would not be able to meet the demand. The market would fail.
Like Milla said, we've not run out of cigarettes, or alcohol. What makes you think we'll run out of the rest if it was being produced to be sold worldwide legally?
Originally posted by Draco69
The market would not benefit from taxing marijuana. The tax would be mostly payed the consumer. The poor would suffer. They would not be able to afford such a tax. And the medical coverages of illegal drugs' negative consequences would dwarf the tax income for the government.
I once again, suggest research. But wait...
Originally posted by Draco69
Mushrooms? I've eaten them....Clarify please.
And no I'm taking ANY harmful substance into my body. I won't even eat McDonalds.
Talk about uninformed. You actually have no clue what you're talking about.
Not only are you not aware of Shrooms, you think they're harmful. Shrooms are just about the best mind opening substance there is. Take it from someone who uses them every once in a while. Not from someone who is just judging them coz they're illegal.
Keyword: Research.
-AC
Originally posted by Draco69
Avoid? Sorry. Give me a break. I'm arguing against FOUR of you. Sorry if I missed something.Do I think alcohol should be banned? Honestly? Yes. It would save so many lives and money. The economy would drastically improve and society at large would benefit.
However you don't recognize that alcohol and cigarettes kill millions of people due to its legality. If illegal drugs were made legal, then the negative effects would dwarf them. More people will die needlessly, and more money would be put to waste.
well, thank you
i respect that you are a RARE case in that you see the reality that alcohol is a drug, and are thus against that too. i firmly disagree with your views, but unlike most of these idiots who cry 'just say no' and in the same breath 'this bud's for you', you seem to understand what you believe in. thanks again
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
And if the drugs are made legal, they would too.Coca, Morphine plants (from which heroin derives from), Weed, shrooms etc etc etc are natural plants and can be grown in excess - just like they are.
Not true. The cig. and alc. have a legion of supporting corporations and vast monopolic history to support them. Drug corporations would not have that luxury.
Where would we grow them? We need land to grow the plants. I've already proven that the supply cannot meet the demand. Land would be bought and used to grow the plants. And it would increase. Would we be willing to sacrifice land for food for drugs. Believe it or not some cigarette corporations have succeed just this.