Originally posted by Alpha Centuari
So you adhere to the very silly rationale of "They're illegal so they must be bad"? Alcohol is legal, does much more damage, so do cigarettes.
Cigarettes kill, but slowly. Tobacco's been another big industry too. And it's far easier to quit smoking than it is to quit some drugs.
Consider heroin, if someone's injected with it once, they're addicted for life unless they go through rehab for months, even years. And if it's a girl, their baby's going to be born addicted as well. Other drugs can have a very serious effect on babies. Someone I know, her mother was an addict; because of that, she's not going to make it past 40.
I'm okay with things like marijuana being taken occasionally, but definitely not crack, E, acid, etc. Growth defects, acid-induced flashbacks = t3h suck. If people are willing to harm themselves that way, make it harder to get.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
As long as I physically hurt no other human being on this planet, what I do to myself is nobody's business.
Originally posted by DarkC
Seems like a good mantra. Government probably wouldn't trust that though, they'd be too intent on covering their own asses. Reputation at stake and all.
Probably because regardless of whether the abuse of a substance is legal or not the cost of the abuse is offset to the rest of the public who are healthy and not addicted.
Originally posted by Bardock42
But everyone should have the right to kill themself in whatever way they wish.
Originally posted by DarkC
As I said, governments try and keep their reputation clean. By letting people kill themselves in whatever way they wish and not so much as sneeze about it would make them look like a bunch of incompetents.
Are we talking about what should be or why it is not the way it should be?
Originally posted by Bardock42
No, the fun thing about rights is that they are legal....
Oh the semantics, by virtue of the expression of current laws in the USA it is illegal.
However, for you as an individual no one is strapping you to a chair so you cannot leave your house and purchase your illegal drugs or whatever. Your rights to choose are still there everyday for everything you do.
Legalising drugs would be just another step closer to our self-destruction. They aren't illegal now just to fill empty pages in the law-book, they are because they seriously f#ck a person up, with many disastrous results possible.
Legalising drugs diminishes the crime involved with it? Gimme a break! That is giving in to the desires of the filth of humanity, valuing selfish and ignorant desires above the greater good. Not to mention allowing anyone access to substances that will ruin them and those around them.
Humankind is not fit to live successfully in limitless freedom, lines must be drawn.
Originally posted by Soleran
Oh the semantics, by virtue of the expression of current laws in the USA it is illegal.However, for you as an individual no one is strapping you to a chair so you cannot leave your house and purchase your illegal drugs or whatever. Your rights to choose are still there everyday for everything you do.
No, it's not a right if it isn't allowed by law.
You can do it, sure, and you can rape someone as well, is that your right though? No, it isn't.
And yes, this is semantics, but you are using the wrong word so...
Originally posted by Bardock42
No, it's not a right if it isn't allowed by law.You can do it, sure, and you can rape someone as well, is that your right though? No, it isn't.
And yes, this is semantics, but you are using the wrong word so...
Which is why I clarified what I meant to say just for you Bardock42!
However, for you as an individual no one is strapping you to a chair so you cannot leave your house and purchase your illegal drugs or whatever. Your rights to choose are still there everyday for everything you do. Repercussions are a seperate issue of your choices.
And ramifications be damned, that statement still rings true.
Originally posted by Soleran
Which is why I clarified what I meant to say just for you Bardock42!However, for you as an individual no one is strapping you to a chair so you cannot leave your house and purchase your illegal drugs or whatever. Your rights to choose are still there everyday for everything you do. Repercussions are a seperate issue of your choices.
And ramifications be damned, that statement still rings true.
But I understood what you meant.
Yes, actually, for me as an individual I have to deal with the possibility of going to jail for buying a drug. That is just the same as actually tying me to a chair to prevent me from buying them (just a little less effective).
Also, this is not a free will thread. i might agree with you, but it has nothing to do with the topic, which is a legal matter.
Originally posted by Soleran
Your right and the gov't just legalizing all drugs isn't a viable solution its just a potential short term work around. Won't take away drug problems just change the types of problems drugs create in society.So legalizing drugs as a whole with cocaine, lsd, meth, crack etc is foolish in my opinion.
Even if that would be true, I'd still choose the option where the people are free over the current one.
And, what do you think would change?
Originally posted by Soleran
Which is why I clarified what I meant to say just for you Bardock42!However, for you as an individual no one is strapping you to a chair so you cannot leave your house and purchase your illegal drugs or whatever. Your rights to choose are still there everyday for everything you do. Repercussions are a seperate issue of your choices.
And ramifications be damned, that statement still rings true.
An other approach; would you approve your sister/brother/parent/friend sticking a shot of heroine in the arm, or would you try to stop it?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Even if that would be true, I'd still choose the option where the people are free over the current one.And, how do you figure it would change?
Problems don't go away by simply changing laws, they shift. So obviously purchasing drugs if legalized wouldn't mean anything but that doesn't mean that is going to lower drug related crimes what so ever for example.
However enough about me, whats your thoughts on legalizing drugs and the possible outcome?
Originally posted by Soleran
Problems don't go away by simply changing laws, they shift. So obviously purchasing drugs if legalized wouldn't mean anything but that doesn't mean that is going to lower drug related crimes what so ever for example.However enough about me, whats your thoughts on legalizing drugs and the possible outcome?
If that was true then we wouldn't need to have laws in the first place. The fact of the matter is laws do change problems for the better or worse, very much so even. Well, it would probably lower the smuggling of drugs for one.
My opinion is that every drug should be legalized. You should have the possibility to put whatever the **** you want in your body. Sure some restrictions need to be applied (just as with cigarettes and alcohol). f what kind they are (banning of driving while high, drug centres, etc.) needs to be discussed.
And you could tax drugs, that'S a nice thing too.