Cyclops / Scott Summers

* i believe in man's pride, particularly Scott's... it may have been said that Madelyne Pryor was messing with Scott's mind before and during his duel with Storm (i've read the issue and it is very evident), but a loss is still a loss, a defeat is still a defeat... and i don't think Scott will never ever let that happen again... not unless some idiot writer makes Scott look like a wuss as always... Cyclops had became a team washout because of stupid writers favoring other characters in Scott's expense... Scott has been a jobber for Logan too long, it's time for a change, and i'm glad there's Mr. Joss Whedon to save Cyclops' dignity, only... the cost is a big one, Scott's mutant power... 😉

Cyclops having lost to Storm back then doesn't really bother me that much...anymore. I'm also not too put out by the fact that he's without his powers because I assume he'll get them back sooner than not. No, what gets to me is that people who've never appreciated the character are now talking about how "bad-ass" he's become, when the guy's been more or less rocking it since the 70's. To me, it comes across as a backhanded compliment when people talk about how interesting Cyclops has "become" while disrespecting and/or disregarding the better part of his 40 year history.

Originally posted by peejayd
* i believe in man's pride, particularly Scott's... it may have been said that Madelyne Pryor was messing with Scott's mind before and during his duel with Storm (i've read the issue and it is very evident), but a loss is still a loss, a defeat is still a defeat... and i don't think Scott will never ever let that happen again... not unless some idiot writer makes Scott look like a wuss as always... Cyclops had became a team washout because of stupid writers favoring other characters in Scott's expense... Scott has been a jobber for Logan too long, it's time for a change, and i'm glad there's Mr. Joss Whedon to save Cyclops' dignity, only... the cost is a big one, Scott's mutant power... 😉

the cyclops/storm leadership battle, it was pretty obvious to me that his heart just wasnt in it...

i dont think he's jobbed much to wolverine, almost every time they've met scott has come out on top...

scott though, imo, doesnt get nearly enough respect as a hand to hand fighter...

Originally posted by pestarrio
Cyclops having lost to Storm back then doesn't really bother me that much...anymore. I'm also not too put out by the fact that he's without his powers because I assume he'll get them back sooner than not. No, what gets to me is that people who've never appreciated the character are now talking about how "bad-ass" he's become, when the guy's been more or less rocking it since the 70's. To me, it comes across as a backhanded compliment when people talk about how interesting Cyclops has "become" while disrespecting and/or disregarding the better part of his 40 year history.

spot on, good post... ✅

i hate all this 'wow look how cool scott is now' shit, he was always a brilliant character to me, even in the 70s as you said...

guy deserves much more respect than he gets...

I thought he was awesome in episode 1 of the animated series where a Sentinel kicks the crap out of Storm, Gambit and Rogue at the Mall.

Enter Cyclops, and:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xui5Q4zrA_8

Originally posted by #1110
I thought he was awesome in episode 1 of the animated series where a Sentinel kicks the crap out of Storm, Gambit and Rogue at the Mall.

Enter Cyclops, and:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xui5Q4zrA_8

yeah, in the first few episodes he racked up an impressive amount of sentinels...

i have a CRAZY idea ! WOULD NOT SCOTT MAKE A GREAT CAPTAIN AMERICA?
he has the special skill which lets him figure out angles and spatial distances between people(cant remember the skill hehe)
Would he not be a good Cap?
Now imagine he gets his powers back while replacing Cap, throwing the shield and shooting optic blast off it and making both ricoche

Originally posted by starlock
i have a CRAZY idea ! WOULD NOT SCOTT MAKE A GREAT CAPTAIN AMERICA?
he has the special skill which lets him figure out angles and spatial distances between people(cant remember the skill hehe)
Would he not be a good Cap?
Now imagine he gets his powers back while replacing Cap, throwing the shield and shooting optic blast off it and making both ricoche

geometry.

and given his power and his repressed nature, i dunno if he'd be a good cap...

would not now be a good time hehe losing his powers, maybe some training(i mean he has been training almost as long as cap(not in H2H but all around) i think he could handle it

Originally posted by starlock
would not now be a good time hehe losing his powers, maybe some training(i mean he has been training almost as long as cap(not in H2H but all around) i think he could handle it

without his powers sure, with them i dunno... i dunno about his personality though... he isnt exactly mr patriotism...

i know its a crazy idea that wont happen,but me and a friend were discussing caps death,and we started talking about who would throw the shield and has good H2H training,if you think about it Cyke is one of the older students and has been training for a long time,hey who am i preaching to,This is a CYKE thread hehe lol you know all about him

Originally posted by starlock
i know its a crazy idea that wont happen,but me and a friend were discussing caps death,and we started talking about who would throw the shield and has good H2H training,if you think about it Cyke is one of the older students and has been training for a long time,hey who am i preaching to,This is a CYKE thread hehe lol you know all about him

i have no doubt of his capability (though he'd need to buff up, cap had the serum after all), but i doubt marvel would make cyke the new cap... the public still dont trust mutants, let alone idolise one...

Originally posted by pr1983
the cyclops/storm leadership battle, it was pretty obvious to me that his heart just wasnt in it...

i dont think he's jobbed much to wolverine, almost every time they've met scott has come out on top...

scott though, imo, doesnt get nearly enough respect as a hand to hand fighter...

* i don't mean ONLY "their fight"... but the entire situation Scott is in... sure, he kicked Logan's butt many times but there are also times that Logan had the upper hand... and even in the romantic side, for goodness' sake, his wife got hots for a hairy freak... even Emma shared a liplock with that midget... that entire situation Scott is in, makes him a wuss in the eyes of many... i hope it ends now and let Scott fly solo... 😎

Originally posted by peejayd
* i don't mean ONLY "their fight"... but the entire situation Scott is in... sure, he kicked Logan's butt many times but there are also times that Logan had the upper hand... and even in the romantic side, for goodness' sake, his wife got hots for a hairy freak... even Emma shared a liplock with that midget... that entire situation Scott is in, makes him a wuss in the eyes of many... i hope it ends now and let Scott fly solo... 😎

Technically that midget was Scott, and Emma knew that it was him so it doesn't count. She broke him down by confronting him with his deepest fears/insecurities. And from the looks of it only made him stronger. Emma is good for Scott and vice versa.

BTW she is nothing but loyal to him, and IMO her love for him is more sincere then the Sacred Cows' ever was.

And I don't recall her ever showing the slightest hint of attraction to Wolverine. IIRC she has actually shown disdain towards the midget and the way he dresses/lives/his appearance.

Originally posted by peejayd
* i don't mean ONLY "their fight"... but the entire situation Scott is in... sure, he kicked Logan's butt many times but there are also times that Logan had the upper hand... and even in the romantic side, for goodness' sake, his wife got hots for a hairy freak... even Emma shared a liplock with that midget... that entire situation Scott is in, makes him a wuss in the eyes of many... i hope it ends now and let Scott fly solo... 😎

i actually don't agree... i don't recall wolverine having the upper hand alot if at all (except in ultimate, or the whole death thing, which was bs anyways, cos its death), and as far as jean goes, sure she was attracted to logan, but imo scott was always the one she truly loved... it was just hard for her (and him) for that love to translate to being adults rather than teenagers...

emma i think could never love logan half as much as she loves scott, she's even on the straight and narrow for him... i think that their love is a more grown up one (even i've found out to my surprise the difference between teen and adult realationships), and in a way, yes it is deeper than jean's and scott's was, but i think that's as much to do with jean and scott's love not adapting as anything else...

though i do agree with EC in a sense that emma is more willing to accept scott's flaws and the man he is than jean was, and she probably does love scott as he truly is more than jean did, but thats not to say when jean returns that maybe she'll have a new perspective...

i'm not doubting emma really loves scott, and vice versa, but i think if jean came back, and her and scott adapted to being older, wiser, grown up etc, i think they'd get back together...

as much as i despise the woman, i think jean is still the one he loves the most deep down...

i meant to say something else but dammit i forgot...

Originally posted by pr1983
i actually don't agree... i don't recall wolverine having the upper hand alot if at all (except in ultimate, or the whole death thing, which was bs anyways, cos its death), and as far as jean goes, sure she was attracted to logan, but imo scott was always the one she truly loved... it was just hard for her (and him) for that love to translate to being adults rather than teenagers...

emma i think could never love logan half as much as she loves scott, she's even on the straight and narrow for him... i think that their love is a more grown up one (even i've found out to my surprise the difference between teen and adult realationships), and in a way, yes it is deeper than jean's and scott's was, but i think that's as much to do with jean and scott's love not adapting as anything else...

though i do agree with EC in a sense that emma is more willing to accept scott's flaws and the man he is than jean was, and she probably does love scott as he truly is more than jean did, but thats not to say when jean returns that maybe she'll have a new perspective...

i'm not doubting emma really loves scott, and vice versa, but i think if jean came back, and her and scott adapted to being older, wiser, grown up etc, i think they'd get back together...

as much as i despise the woman, i think jean is still the one he loves the most deep down...

i meant to say something else but dammit i forgot...

Strangely enough, I agree with your disagreement. I used to think Wolverine had Cyclops' number, but I noticed something while looking through some of my old comics recently. Written by Chris Claremont (whose opinion on who can kick whose ass I respect), and in the thought bubble of Wolverine himself after he took what appeared to be a full shot of Cyke's optic blast while Cyclops was acting as a Brood host body: "I moved so a glancing blow from those beams o' Cyke's would trash my shackles. If I'd caught a full blast, I'd be nothin' but pulp an' adamantium bones." If Mr. Clarmont wants to make Wolverine have that viewpoint, it's good enough for me. Not to mention some of Cyke's other good showings in some of those classic issues. My opinion on Cyclops vs. Wolverine is officially changed.

I also think having Jean come back would be a VERY interesting plot twist in the life of Scott and Emma. I just hope they keep Logan out of the love triangle because I personally don't think he is a good match for either Jean or Emma.

Of the two, I would hope that Scott ends up with Jean. Maybe it's because I'm a bigger fan of the classic issues, when Scott and Jean were THE mutant couple. However, I do think that Scott and Emma would be more exiting to read about, and that's probably what will matter to the suits at Marvel whose job it is to sell comics and make money. I guess there is no point in evaluating the situation until it actually happens, but I hope it happens because in my opinion, Jean is better for Scott and Emma is better as a bad guy.

Originally posted by Sabretooth
Strangely enough, I agree with your disagreement. I used to think Wolverine had Cyclops' number, but I noticed something while looking through some of my old comics recently. Written by Chris Claremont (whose opinion on who can kick whose ass I respect), and in the thought bubble of Wolverine himself after he took what appeared to be a full shot of Cyke's optic blast while Cyclops was acting as a Brood host body: "I moved so a glancing blow from those beams o' Cyke's would trash my shackles. If I'd caught a full blast, I'd be nothin' but pulp an' adamantium bones." If Mr. Clarmont wants to make Wolverine have that viewpoint, it's good enough for me. Not to mention some of Cyke's other good showings in some of those classic issues. My opinion on Cyclops vs. Wolverine is officially changed.

I also think having Jean come back would be a VERY interesting plot twist in the life of Scott and Emma. I just hope they keep Logan out of the love triangle because I personally don't think he is a good match for either Jean or Emma.

Of the two, I would hope that Scott ends up with Jean. Maybe it's because I'm a bigger fan of the classic issues, when Scott and Jean were THE mutant couple. However, I do think that Scott and Emma would be more exiting to read about, and that's probably what will matter to the suits at Marvel whose job it is to sell comics and make money. I guess there is no point in evaluating the situation until it actually happens, but I hope it happens because in my opinion, Jean is better for Scott and Emma is better as a bad guy.

wow, for once you n me actually agree on something... 😛

Originally posted by pr1983
wow, for once you n me actually agree on something... 😛

Yeah, I know. I'm kinda scared too...

Originally posted by Sabretooth
Yeah, I know. I'm kinda scared too...

*runs away*

Originally posted by Sabretooth
Strangely enough, I agree with your disagreement. I used to think Wolverine had Cyclops' number, but I noticed something while looking through some of my old comics recently. Written by Chris Claremont (whose opinion on who can kick whose ass I respect), and in the thought bubble of Wolverine himself after he took what appeared to be a full shot of Cyke's optic blast while Cyclops was acting as a Brood host body: "I moved so a glancing blow from those beams o' Cyke's would trash my shackles. If I'd caught a full blast, I'd be nothin' but pulp an' adamantium bones." If Mr. Clarmont wants to make Wolverine have that viewpoint, it's good enough for me. Not to mention some of Cyke's other good showings in some of those classic issues. My opinion on Cyclops vs. Wolverine is officially changed.

I also think having Jean come back would be a VERY interesting plot twist in the life of Scott and Emma. I just hope they keep Logan out of the love triangle because I personally don't think he is a good match for either Jean or Emma.

Of the two, I would hope that Scott ends up with Jean. Maybe it's because I'm a bigger fan of the classic issues, when Scott and Jean were THE mutant couple. However, I do think that Scott and Emma would be more exiting to read about, and that's probably what will matter to the suits at Marvel whose job it is to sell comics and make money. I guess there is no point in evaluating the situation until it actually happens, but I hope it happens because in my opinion, Jean is better for Scott and Emma is better as a bad guy.

* yeah, well said... however, what's happening now in Scott-Emma relationship? i just hope, whatever happens, someway, somehow, Scott will have a fruitful lovelife... otherwise, just fly solo... 😎

I'm actually a longtime fan of Scott and Jean as a couple, although I do see the potential for Scott and Emma to last. The whole Scott/Jean thing took a real beating during Morrisson's run. We're talking about three years worth of Cyclops being miserable, coming right on the heels of his being dead for a while. Oddly enough, the conflict between the two of them during this time is part of the reason I always liked them as a couple. Neither one of them is perfect and they've both made their share of mistakes in dealing with the other, but it was always clear (to me) that they loved one another, even when Morrisson was tearing them apart. Which is why I'm baffled by the tendency in certain subsections of the xmen fandom to lay the collapse of that relationship entirely at Scott's feet.

I've actually been involved in "discussions" with people who think of Jean as a victim of Scott and Emma during Morrisson's run, in spite of the fact that she threw herself at Logan in this very run, long before Scott even glanced in Emma's direction. The only difference between Scott and Jean's actions during this time is that Logan turned Jean away, and Emma did no such thing with Scott, and yet some of the fans act as if Jean took some sort of moral high ground. Wow. This turned into a rant, and I really didn't intend it to be. This is just something about the xmen fandom that's been driving me nuts lately, and I needed to get it off my chest.