The overall most powerfull character ever

Reed Richards once said that Galactus is more powerful than the celestials....Galactus' power is variable, one issue he dies when Richards slingshot the Thing inot his chest...another Issue he is consuming a the whole Omniverse, including the celestials....also i believe the combined might of the watchers is equal to the combined might of the celestials...as demonstraed in their War against one another back in FF #398 or so...cant remember the ssue number exactly but i think its around there...will have to get to u guys on that

galactus already is dead, the universe doesn't cease to exist. its just that galactus supresses Abbraxis from entering the universe. Abbraxis is the enemy of Eternity and wants to recreate the big bang. after galactus died, the combined forces of just about everyone barely managed to stop abbraxis (i think it took all galactus' from all timelines and parallel universes stop him).

Galactus 😊

Hey Never...

Is that the Beyonder in the most commonly known form. With 1/2 being black the other 1/2 being white? I've seen the Beyonder as a female mortal before and it's power level was much weaker.

And what series or comic arch does Thanos get the Heart of the Universe. I'd like to read up on that a bit...it sounds interesting.

I read this strange story somewhere about Galactus having been from the previous universe (before the Big Bang 😖 ) Stan Lee describes him as "Galactus the demi-god" and "the most powerful in our gallery of evil-doers" so that makes him the most powerful villain in the very pagan theodicy.

yea he was born in the past universe and lived on the planet Taa...i think it would be innacurate to call him a villain though, ever since fantastic four issue # 262, because Odin himself said that Galactus was not evil, but a natural force of the universe, that served to test all living creatures, and without him the universe could not fullfill its ultimate destiny...later on Uatu, the Watcher and Galactus himself, used their combined power to summon Eternity...thus eternity linked the minds of all the aliens present, with all the life in the universe, and enlightened them all to Galactus' purpose...this was after the Shi'ar Empire put Reed Richards on trial for saving Galactus' life...

Originally posted by Darth Jello
galactus already is dead, the universe doesn't cease to exist.

When Phoenix was dead, was she dead? Not everything is always as it appears to be.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Hey Never...

Is that the Beyonder in the most commonly known form. With 1/2 being black the other 1/2 being white?

And what series or comic arch does Thanos get the Heart of the Universe. I'd like to read up on that a bit...it sounds interesting.

Hmmm...1/2 black and 1/2 white? Perhaps you mean this fella:

The In-Betweener?

Thanos with THotU story arc appeared in Marvel Universe: The End.

Here's my list:

1] Original Beyonder
2] The Heart Of The Universe
3] Living Tribunal
4] The Infinity Gauntlet
5] Eternity
6] Death
7] Infinity
8] Galactus (At Full Power)
9] Celestials

The Original Beyonder was basically GOD (or GOD level) but was later reconned because Marvel did not want GOD interacting in their comics and fighting the hereos (Secret Wars). Their are references to GOD (The One Above All) by the Living Tribunal and that's it. And you don't see LT fighting that often, he only watches and judges.

Additionally, even the LT was powerless against the Original Beyonder who was basically bodiless and was the Eternity of Eternity.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Power

The Original Beyonder was basically GOD (or GOD level) but was later reconned because Marvel did not want GOD interacting in their comics and fighting the hereos (Secret Wars).

This is incorrect; in addition, what was LT's first appearance? The Beyonder's? TOAA's? That kills that argument, yes?

The original Beyonder was NEVER "God" or even "God level."

And you do know that there exists myriad other Beyonder-like beings in the universe The Beyonder inhabits, yes?

The Living Tribunal was powerless against an entity that Dr. Doom DEFEATED? LoL, okay let's say he was...where in comics is this said?

Originally posted by Wynndar
yea he was born in the past universe and lived on the planet Taa...i think it would be innacurate to call him a villain though, ever since fantastic four issue # 262, because Odin himself said that Galactus was not evil, but a natural force of the universe, that served to test all living creatures, and without him the universe could not fullfill its ultimate destiny...later on Uatu, the Watcher and Galactus himself, used their combined power to summon Eternity...thus eternity linked the minds of all the aliens present, with all the life in the universe, and enlightened them all to Galactus' purpose...this was after the Shi'ar Empire put Reed Richards on trial for saving Galactus' life...

It's not actually necessary to be absolutely evil to fall into the villains category 😉

I hope the Shi'ar Empire threw the book at old spastic elastic! 😠 furious

the most powerfull?????

hnmmm.... definitely..... JUBILLEE!!!!!!!

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Well if N E 1 out there is a stickler for continuity, they would know that the two "brothers" are the total sum of all reality in their respective mutiverse. If you remember the the living tribunal and the spectre from DC had to scramble to save all the actualities and when they were next to the battling brothers they were small as insects compared to them. They were forced to combine their to powers to prevent evrything from all existence from being wiped out and inadvertently created the amalgam universe, which charles Xavier as Dr. Strangefate later took credit for. And even then their powers werent strong enough. So it is obvious that the Brother that represents the Marvel universe is the most powerful.

Never
This is incorrect; in addition, what was LT's first appearance? The Beyonder's? TOAA's? That kills that argument, yes?

The original Beyonder was NEVER "God" or even "God level."

And you do know that there exists myriad other Beyonder-like beings in the universe The Beyonder inhabits, yes?

The Living Tribunal was powerless against an entity that Dr. Doom DEFEATED? LoL, okay let's say he was...where in comics is this said?

I'll try to clarify this. The Original Beyonder (before being reconned) was basically all powerful and not even the Living Tribunal was its equal.

This myriad of other Beyonder-like beings is after the Beyonder was RECONNED. Before this, Beyonder was the only one of his kind.

Doom used Galactus' power to battle the Beyonder and take his power. It wasn't just Doom himself who did it. And I'm aware that LT> Galactus; however, Spiderman also kicked the entire X-Men's ass during that series, somehthing he shouldn't have.

As for info about Beyonder greater than LT, I'll have to look it up again but Beyonder erased Death from existence and nobody was able to stop him, including LT.

its the hulk

Originally posted by manjaro
Well if N E 1 out there is a stickler for continuity, they would know that the two "brothers" are the total sum of all reality in their respective mutiverse. If you remember the the living tribunal and the spectre from DC had to scramble to save all the actualities and when they were next to the battling brothers they were small as insects compared to them. They were forced to combine their to powers to prevent evrything from all existence from being wiped out and inadvertently created the amalgam universe, which charles Xavier as Dr. Strangefate later took credit for. And even then their powers werent strong enough. So it is obvious that the Brother that represents the Marvel universe is the most powerful.

i already considered this, but it would be the most powerful being IN the marvel mulitverse, not the multiverse itself.

oh i see, well in that case i would have to go with either death, destinty or oblivion. For they are among the fundamental laws of the universe. Dont get me wrong the Beyonder is a viable candidate too, but you can easily make a case for anyone of those cosmic types like The Inbetweener, kismet, order or chaos. At the end of the day it's hard to come to a conclusion as to who is stronger when characters possess reality warping powers on a cosmic scale.

Originally posted by Never
Re: Galactus and Celestials: I daresay this says it all.

"It has been well established that Galactus is a fundamental component of the Marvel Universe, and that the Marvel Universe ceases when Galactus ceases."

So...who is more powerful, even if indirectly?

Re: Infinity, Eternity, and Death: Quick question. Can you tell me how much more powerful they are over each other? Is it "definite?" Incremental? A hair more powerful? I do not think that the list references HUGE differences in power, and it will decrease (the differences) the higher up the ladder you go. For example, DC Comics - how much more powerful is The Presence over The Source?

Thank you for the compliment.

i know what has been said about galactus, and what is power level is. but originally, marvel presented galactus as the top being in the marvel universe. then later on, eternity, living tribunal and others were presented to be above him. i know that galactus once fled from thor's godforce, and it did little to the celestials GIVE THEM PAUSE?? it is also theorized that the celestials are creations of eternity. to deal with what he cannot directly address. marvel has even printed that galactus used to be number one, and that the celestials were on top of him. let me see if i can find a copy of the newsletter to paste it up here.

since this is causing so much conflict, let's just say that the living tribunal and the intangables are at the top of the heap and agree on who's below them. this mean that the multiversal brother, access, the living tribunal, DC's spectre, Eternity, oblivion, death, lord chaos, master order, the in-betweener, and abbraxis are disqualified.

below them, i would rank:
1. galactus
2. the power cosmic
3. the phoenix force
4. the beyonders
5. the celestials
6. dimensional rulers. specifically-Mephisto, the adversary, roma, azazel, belasco, dormamu, symm, nastirh, the darkechilde, etc. (note that they weaken outside their dimention
7. thanos
8. the goblyn queen (madelyn prior and potentially Mary walker)
9. Ego
10. The watchers
11. gods, inhumans, etc.
12. Dr. Strange
13. Stick
14. Silver Surfer
15. Sienna Blaze at full power
16. Typhoid Mary at full power
17. Onslaught
18. Magneto at full power
19. Gamesmaster at full power
20. Mutant Alpha (and growing)
21. Apocalypse
22. Sublime

Originally posted by Darth Jello
since this is causing so much conflict, let's just say that the living tribunal and the intangables are at the top of the heap and agree on who's below them. this mean that the multiversal brother, access, the living tribunal, DC's spectre, Eternity, oblivion, death, lord chaos, master order, the in-betweener, and abbraxis are disqualified.

below them, i would rank:
1. galactus
2. the power cosmic
3. the phoenix force
4. the beyonders
5. the celestials
6. dimensional rulers. specifically-Mephisto, the adversary, roma, azazel, belasco, dormamu, symm, nastirh, the darkechilde, etc. (note that they weaken outside their dimention
7. thanos
8. the goblyn queen (madelyn prior and potentially Mary walker)
9. Ego
10. The watchers
11. gods, inhumans, etc.
12. Dr. Strange
13. Stick
14. Silver Surfer
15. Sienna Blaze at full power
16. Typhoid Mary at full power
17. Onslaught
18. Magneto at full power
19. Gamesmaster at full power
20. Mutant Alpha (and growing)
21. Apocalypse
22. Sublime

not sure where you are trying to go with this one at all. beyonders powers were retconned after his original appearances. he is "as nothing" to a single celestial. plus i doubt apocalypse would make it in the top 25 of most powerful beings in the univers. saime with onsalught and magneto, silver surfer doctor strange or the panetheon of gods (except maybe odin and zues). also, i found the letter that marvel editorial answered directly to how Galactus compared to the Celestials.

it said.......... and i quote "the celestials power is self derived, and independant of anyone's belief. In the past, the upper echelon of marvels power heirarchy was comprised of beings like the watcher, the stranger, galactus and the grandmaster. it seemed that this was the upper most limit of the physical powerhouse spectrum.... until the celestials were introduced. we believe the celestials constitute the next level of power in the universe, and that is how we have depicted them"

also, living tribunal had been overpowered/defeated by the heart of the universe.....