there is no wa in hell abtman coudl take superman. there nuthing batman better at. also if u ever read soem of wolverine comic he has had his eye eaten with out haveing his healing factor. also u do know wolverine can ge thit bye a nuke and live . also "he the best there is at what he does and what he does is fight". he also a echanced human I sory abtman just out match
Batman could conceivably kill or beat Wolverine.
Which has been my position all along.
Personally, even if Batman is the better fighter and faster, I just dont see batman winning in this matter. Wolverine has the healing factor and can take some major punishment (more than batman could supply).
Um, "major punishment" is not the only means by which one opponent can neutralize Wolverine. AGAIN, Elektra merely stabbed him through both of his lungs and he was down. No "major punishment." Two neat little holes collapsed his lungs. Difficult to operate with little oxygen, is it not? He does NOT heal instantly. IF (hello - "IF"😉 Batman drops Wolverine, he would have to determine quite quickly that Wolverine has a healing factor. MANY DC Comic "bad guys" do. THEN Batman would have to figure out how to neutralize him.
Wolverine is NOT indestructible, and FAR from it. A powerful enough poison simply knocked him out (Uncanny #173). He has been KNOCKED out. He has susceptible to pressure points, sonics, being blinded (cannot heal from a flash bomb as it does no damage).
An ANTI-COAGULANT could be Wolverine's WORST nightmare.
Theres too many ways to count. Batman has resources that could probably tap into the computers around the world to gain knowledge of the opponent, could probably devise a suit of some substance that Wolverines claws couldnt penetrate,
Depends on WHERE they fight. AGAIN, Adamantium does not EXIST in the DC Universe. No, it would not simply *poof* - but there are TOUGHER alloys in the DC Universe. "Probably tap into computers?" Pfft, he has ORACLE at his disposal.
Wolverine could conceivably kill or beat Batman.
No kidding, never said he could not.
***Sidenote- I'm tired of hearing about the Black Panther.
Then I suggest you do not read it.
Its ok to compare abilitys, but in the long run, I think we all know what would happen if the top sellers were pitted against the second tier.
LoL, we actually do not. Ever read Garth Enis? "What If Punisher (you know...second tier?) Killed The Entire Marvel Universe?"
Originally posted by Never
Um, "major punishment" is not the only means by which one opponent can neutralize Wolverine. AGAIN, Elektra merely stabbed him through both of his lungs and he was down. No "major punishment." Two neat little holes collapsed his lungs. Difficult to operate with little oxygen, is it not? He does NOT heal instantly. IF (hello - "IF"😉 Batman drops Wolverine, he would have to determine quite quickly that Wolverine has a healing factor. MANY DC Comic "bad guys" do. THEN Batman would have to figure out how to neutralize him.I realize this. I stated at the beginning of the post that the fight would be fist to fist. Batman would not have the required items to cause the "two little neat holes".
Wolverine is NOT indestructible, and FAR from it. A powerful enough poison simply knocked him out (Uncanny #173). He has been KNOCKED out. He has susceptible to pressure points, sonics, being blinded (cannot heal from a flash bomb as it does no damage).
An ANTI-COAGULANT could be Wolverine's WORST nightmare.
I realize this also, as I also stated.
No kidding, never said he could not.
Where in my post did I ever mention that you did?
Then I suggest you do not read it.
It cant be helped. You bring up Black Panther, Elektra, and Lady Shiva in almost every post.
LoL, we actually do not. Ever read Garth Enis? "What If Punisher (you know...second tier?) Killed The Entire Marvel Universe?"
For gods sake Never! Your bringing up "What If" books. I dont think they hold up in comic book continuity.
what if, is exactly what it says. it means nothing in continuity. they could write a book what if wolverine grew breasts. or what if batman batman never hit puberty. or what if thing burped. some are stupid and pointless. as for the fight, a spontaneous unplanned battle might favor wolverine. but the longer batman has to prep for the fight the more the fight favors him. his intellect is considered to be amongst the best in the dcu. he has even taken on superman (and won). this is a feat of true genious.
Another advantage that Wolverine has (next to his adamantium skeleton, his healing factor, his enhanced senses and his claws) :
=> He is about 3 times as old as Batman, and has fought his entire life !! I’m pretty sure nobody can’t ignore his awesome experience on the battlefield. It’s all he does, fighting. He even has memories of being a samurai in Japan and worked for the Central Intelligence Agency. He was trained by Ogun, a true master in the martial arts.
Lady Deathstrike, Omega Red, the Hulk, Juggernaut, Wendigo, Cyber, Sabretooth, Ba’al, Magneto, Venom, Apocalypse, the Sentinels… the list of superpowered opponents he fought is just too long. Mind you, I say he fought them, not beat up (some of them he actually did beat up), but he still lives to tell about it. Wolverine is much more used than Batman to fight somebody who is lots stronger than he is.
Batman can only win if he has enough time to prepare himself (this has been said a million times before), but there’s NOBODY who can guarantee he will have enough time to prepare himself.
For gods sake Never! Your bringing up "What If" books. I dont think they hold up in comic book continuity.
Point being that no, "second-tier" characters will not necessarily lose to "first-tier" characters on account of their popularity (which I am assuming you are referencing and not their abilities).
Spiderman is first-tier. Venom is second-tier.
Wolverine is first-tier. Omega Red is second-tier.
It happens, and often. The Garth Enis example simply illustrates my point that it only takes one writer with one story arc (although I "cheated" a bit; Garth HATES superheroes).
Lady Deathstrike, Omega Red, the Hulk, Juggernaut, Wendigo, Cyber, Sabretooth, Ba’al, Magneto, Venom, Apocalypse, the Sentinels… the list of superpowered opponents he fought is just too long. Mind you, I say he fought them, not beat up (some of them he actually did beat up), but he still lives to tell about it. Wolverine is much more used than Batman to fight somebody who is lots stronger than he is.
LoL, actually the list of "superpowered" opponents that he fought ***one-on-one*** is quite SMALL.
Cyber, Sabretooth, Omega Red, Lady Deathstrike (what? no mention of Elektra? haw) - NOT superpowered.
Archangel STALEMATED him.
The Sentinels? He fought them by himself? Um, NO - for surely if he did, I will refer you to Uncanny #141 "Days of Future Past?" Wolverine vs. Sentinel = ZORCH!
My God, Nimrod would destroy Wolverine. LoL @ even attempting to elevate him to that status.
When did he fight Apocalypse? If out of continuity, do not bother answering.
S'ym killed him by smashing his chest in.
Ba'al? Love how we mention 1/2 of the story. Was this a "regular" powered Wolverine? No, if my memory serves me correctly - he was empowered by the Hand of God, was he not? Heh.
When did he fight Magneto by himself? Lady Deathstrike beat the unholy hell out of him. Omega Red beat his ass the first (I think was first; in X-Men, not Uncanny) time (knocked him out); they fought ~17 hours the second time as his healing factor battled Omega's "Death Factor."
If you are trying to sneak in TEAM scenarios, er um please don't ever compare the X-Men's challenges to the JLA's. They pale in comparison. So ACTUALLY Batman (in a team environment) regularly encounters global and universal level threats. Angels from Heaven? Mageddon? Rest my case.
as for the fight, a spontaneous unplanned battle might favor wolverine. but the longer batman has to prep for the fight the more the fight favors him. his intellect is considered to be amongst the best in the dcu. he has even taken on superman (and won). this is a feat of true genious.
This - AGAIN - has ALWAYS been my position. Am glad someone ELSE who is familiar with both characters readily admits that, in a spontaneous battle, Wolverine MIGHT be favored; otherwise, BATMAN is favored.
Batman can only win if he has enough time to prepare himself
Bullshit.
First of all, I used to be able to quote people, but for some reason, my computer gives me a hard time when I try it these days, so I just copy and paste - if only Batman was here to solve my problem 😛 Here are some quotes from Never:
“Cyber, Sabretooth, Omega Red, Lady Deathstrike (what? no mention of Elektra? haw) - NOT superpowered.”
Euhm, did I read that right ? Not superpowered ? So Sabretooth has no superpowers whatsoever? He is just a big guy with long nails ? And I suppose Omega Red, Lady Deathstrike and Cyber are people who just like to dress up and like to give themselves "cool" names. Okay… if you say so… I guess I was wrong all those years...
“My God, Nimrod would destroy Wolverine. LoL @ even attempting to elevate him to that status.”
Off course he would. Did I say he wouldn’t ? As a matter of a fact, did I even mention Nimrod ? Lol @ even attempting to put words in my mouth.
"The Sentinels? He fought them by himself?" "When did he fight Magneto by himself?" and so on.
Again, I stated very clearly that he only fought them, he did not necessarily beat them, but he still lives to tell about it. It was all I wanted to say. I was being very clear about this subject, at least I thought I was, but it seems I was overestimating some people. And the fact that he sometimes had help from his X-friends (or somebody else) was too obvious to even mention.
"If you are trying to sneak in TEAM scenarios, er um please don't ever compare the X-Men's challenges to the JLA's. They pale in comparison."
That is just your opinion, nothing more. I'm sure you know there's a thread about the JLA against the X-Men, and opinions are divided on the subject. And it has nothing to do with Wolverine vs Batman !
"Archangel STALEMATED him."
Here he goes again, bringing up old battles... Your point being ? That he is not invincible ? I already knew that, don't mistake me for Wolverine8888.
“When did he fight Apocalypse? If out of continuity, do not bother answering."
That's a funny reply, coming from somebody who likes to refer to "What if"-comics to try to prove his point of view.
Who is S'ym...was he a demon or something?....what happened when he fought wolvie?....JLA has fought much more powerful oppenents, however, these battles are hard to stay awake during...I like how X-men manage to take much less powerful heroes and villains, but still have hella interesting stories...dont underestimate Batman, both he and Wolvie r capable of beating the other....however,i think they have been making wolvie less and less intelligent and dynamic a character...If the wolverine from the 80's perhaps, more methodical and intelligent, very batman like ...where u see the weapon x, the soldier, and samurai coming out more; this version of him would have a much better chance...however, the 1 dimensional old brawler he is depicted as, very often today, would have a much harder time with Bats
S’ym is a demon from another dimension. He used to serve Belasco, a former ruler of Limbo, and later he served Magik, Colossus’ little sister. S’ym is very treacherous and always seeks a way to fulfill his own plans. He isn’t the most impressive of demons, in my opinion, but it is wise not to underestimate him !
While Magik was in Limbo, she witnessed the death of the X-Men from some alternate timeline in which they didn't manage to escape Limbo: Colossus and Wolverine were killed by S'ym. If I remember right, Nightcrawler was made a slave of Belasco. Later S’ym joined forces with N’astirh, another demon. Details I can’t give you, because the comics are somewhere on the attic and I’m too lazy to look for them 🙂
Euhm, did I read that right ? Not superpowered ?
And Voltaire once said "If you wish to converse with me, define thy terms..."
I do not consider Wolverine to be "super-powered." Apparently our definition differs. Magneto, in my opinion, is "super-powered." Thanos. Molecule Man. Galactus. Phoenix. I do not PERSONALLY define mutants as "super-powered" - I prefer to differentiate between the lower-level mutants and global-scale threats.
That is the manner in which I PERSONALLY use "super-powered." A mutant who runs 30 mph is technically running at "superhuman speeds." So...how would one categorize Flash?
Off course he would. Did I say he wouldn’t ? As a matter of a fact, did I even mention Nimrod ? Lol @ even attempting to put words in my mouth.
Nimrod is a sentinel - or did you not know?
Again, I stated very clearly that he only fought them, he did not necessarily beat them, but he still lives to tell about it. It was all I wanted to say. I was being very clear about this subject, at least I thought I was, but it seems I was overestimating some people. And the fact that he sometimes had help from his X-friends (or somebody else) was too obvious to even mention.
Mentioning that he fights Sentinels alongside fellow X-Men serves NO point whatsoever considering he would get stomped by himself. "Sometimes had help from his X-Friends?" Um, point out one instance in which he ever fought a Sentinel by himself?
And yes, apparently you were overestimating someone. Yourself.
That is just your opinion, nothing more.
Fact. Feel free to list the X-Men's foes and I will serve you your head on a platter if you EVER considering comparing them with the JLA's. The X-Men have NEVER fought anything comparable to Mageddon.
And that is **one** example.
Here he goes again, bringing up old battles... Your point being ? That he is not invincible ? I already knew that, don't mistake me for Wolverine8888.
Point being...LoL. Here is your quote.
Batman can only win if he has enough time to prepare himself
Archangel is leagues behind Batman in fighting skill. More bread crumbs?
That's a funny reply, coming from somebody who likes to refer to "What if"-comics to try to prove his point of view.
Was Venom's defeating Spiderman in a "What If" comic book? I did not think so either.
JLA has fought much more powerful oppenents, however, these battles are hard to stay awake during
Glad SOMEONE around here has common sense.
Who is S'ym...was he a demon or something?....
What Mr. Oracle failed to mention is that the "laws of physics" are suspended in Limbo. S'ym actually caved in Colossus' chest, not Wolvie's - and picked his teeth with one of Wolverine's claws that he effortlessly plucked off of Wolverine's skeleton. Strength-wise S'ym is on some ol' other ish.
“Nimrod is a sentinel - or did you not know?”
Haha, nice try. Again, did I mention Nimrod ? All together : no, he didn’t !! When I say Sentinel, it’s obvious I mean the every-day Sentinel, not the famous pink one from some alternate timeline. Off course Wolverine would be thrashed. Batman also.
“And Voltaire once said "If you wish to converse with me, define thy terms...”
Never mind Voltaire, and if you want to quote him, quote something more appropriate: “Ecraser l’infâme”, which means, roughly translated, “kill the superstition (religion) and try to think for yourself”. Something I do all day. You should try it once instead of blindly following your comics. Comics in which the powers of the characters change from writer to writer.
“I do not consider Wolverine to be "super-powered." Apparently our definition differs. Magneto, in my opinion, is "super-powered." Thanos. Molecule Man. Galactus. Phoenix. I do not PERSONALLY define mutants as "super-powered" - I prefer to differentiate between the lower-level mutants and global-scale threats.”
So, you’re making up your own definitions now ? Well, why not, I guess… But it will give you a few problems. Where do you draw the line ? Who is considered a lower-level mutant and who is a global-scale threat ? It’s very difficult to classify each mutant. And what does your logic make of Batman, who has no superpowers ? Sub-zero class ? All very confusing, if you ask me, and it leads to nothing.
You confuse the prefix “super” with “godlike”, “amazing”, “incredible”, “no limits” and so on. Super only means “above (human), more than”. Even Cypher from the New Mutants has superpowers, though I admit they suck (they will only come in handy when you’re lost in Tibet).
“Was Venom's defeating Spider-man in a "What If" comic book? I did not think so either.”
Not sure what you mean by this statement. Spider-man would kick ass of both Wolverine and Batman though.