"wolverine is the best at what he does and what he does is fight"( ultimate x-men guide)
Do you know what "hyberbole" is? If he is the best at what he does, AGAIN, why did Elektra, for example, beat his ass? Why do so many beat his ass? What did he do WITHOUT his adamantium? Nada.
He is not the best martial artist (Shang Chi/Iron Fist), not the best assassin (probably Bullseye or Elektra), not the best healing factor (Hulk), not the best fighter (Daredevil, Stick, Captain America, Black Panther, et cetera).
wolverine is better fighter then stick daredevil and captian oh also black panther. I all ready stated wolverine had memorie lose if u read all the comic up to that fight u would know he couldent rember any thing and all his fighting skill was gone cuz he couldent remeber any of it. he beaten iron fist ina fight if u wanted to know. aslo wolverine is the best healer if u read he lengendary when it comes to hsihealign factor. has hulk ever been encengrated then got right back up in 30 seconds full healed.
wolverine is about the 20th best fighter on earth...panther would own him....he kicked his ass way back in the day when wolverine was relatively new...wolverine couldnt touch him....the Panther has been recently upgraded too...he has his claws now too that can negate adamantium....he was on a whole nother level than wolverine, and is even better now...
ok, i don´t know very well black panther, daredevil, cap america and electra, but i do know wolverine, and he is a great fighter and i mean great. i do believe he is a better fighter then these other i mention, but to show that my opinion is not based in fanaticism, go to www.marvel.com and see the numbers, wolverine has 6.5 in fighting skills, cap america has 5.9, and daredevil has 5. of course this is only my opinion, but you are forgetting that wolverine has 100 years or more, he has the experience, and i do think that he can win them, in a one to one battle.
Wolverine: http://www.marvel.com/bios/bios.htm?id=1&family=X-MEN
Cap america:http://www.marvel.com/bios/bios.htm?id=10&family=MARVEL+HEROES
daredevil: http://www.marvel.com/bios/bios.htm?id=12&family=DAREDEVIL
Hahaha, just like I predicted, our friend Never hasn't answered one of my questions/remarks. Not a single one. Why do you ask ? Well, hm, let's see… hey I know, because he can't !!
I asked him again to give me any kind of solid proof why Batman could take Wolverine, and off course he refused to give the answer. And again, like I predicted, he repeated himself with the same lame excuse that "Batman can find something against Wolverine, cause that's what he does...blah blah blah." The same old stuff I’ve been hearing a lot from him. He will find something... pfff. Do you mind telling me what exactly, or am I not worthy enough ? 🙂
Never, I asked you a very clear and very simple question, and you just don't answer it !! I summed up my questions nicely, and you don’t answer them. I'm afraid it's you who has some serious trouble with comprehensive reading, Never. You don’t make a sound when I tell you that Bullseye had almost killed your loved Elektra, he only let her live for a reason (Bullseye, for god’s sake !!).
I also don’t hear from you when I accuse you of not being objective because you only refer to the old comics/battles which do make Wolverine look like a dumb third-rate fighter. I asked you not to mention fights/people who have nothing to do with the subject. One might actually think you would do that, just to show you don’t need those old battles to prove your point.
But you don’t. On the contrary, now you’re referring to Black Panther !! Did he fight Wolverine and Batman a lot ? Didn’t think so, so shut up with your stupid references. Hiding from my questions and acting tough by ignoring them may impress your little niece, but I can see right through it.
Your nick suits you well, since you never answer a question or a remark. Well, for my part, you can ignore all my statements until the cows come home, but that still doesn’t prove one thing. No, I’m mistaken, it actually proves one thing, but I’m too polite too write it down…
And don’t mind who “is on my side”, because this is not a popularity test, but an argument. A polite one, I used to think, between civilized men and women – my fault.
Next thread: Bob the Builder vs Doomsday. Can Bob the Builder, if he has some prep-time, fabricate something to beat up Doomsday ? Off course he can, that is what he does. He will find something… yawn.
Why do you ask ? Well, hm, let's see… hey I know, because he can't !!
I strongly suggest you ask somebody.
I asked him again to give me any kind of solid proof why Batman could take Wolverine, and off course he refused to give the answer.
Again, apparently you cannot (or DO NOT) read. He devised the means by which the JLA could be defeated - you know, the most powerful team in all of comics (save MAYBE The Authority)? It is common knowledge that he CAN devise (did it ever DAWN on you why I capitalize "CAN?" Because it is DEFINITELY within his MEANS to do so, but it is not guaranteed that he WILL? Else I would have said he WOULD defeat Batman? Next time I will drop bread crumbs) a strategy by which Wolverine can be neutralized, defeated, killed.
But is common sense so common? Apparently not.
You don’t make a sound when I tell you that Bullseye had almost killed your loved Elektra, he only let her live for a reason (Bullseye, for god’s sake !!).
"Almost?" Killed her in Daredevil #181. You know, the issue where it says "Bullseye vs. Elektra: One Lives, One Dies" on the cover? And your point considering Elektra thoroughly trashed Wolverine?
I also don’t hear from you when I accuse you of not being objective because you only refer to the old comics/battles which do make Wolverine look like a dumb third-rate fighter.
Please tell me how in your infinite wisdom (HEAVY dose of sarcasm) you can equate my saying, VERBATIM, "Wolverine is no walk in the park" with "Wolverine is a third-rate fighter."
But you don’t. On the contrary, now you’re referring to Black Panther !! Did he fight Wolverine and Batman a lot ? Didn’t think so, so shut up with your stupid references.
He is ONE combatant that would kick both of their asses. A "stupid reference" because YOUR stupid ass disagrees? Thank God STUPIDITY breeds antibodies.
This is not the ONLY messageboard on the internet, peruse the myriad OTHER messageboards and you will see the SAME answer: Batman CAN devise the means to defeat Wolverine, which is what I said HERE. If you do not know WHY he can, you know little about Batman...
...and THAT much is crystal clear.
Dolt.
This is not the ONLY messageboard on the internet, peruse the myriad OTHER messageboards and you will see the SAME answer: Batman CAN devise the means to defeat Wolverine, which is what I said HERE. If you do not know WHY he can, you know little about Batman...
...and THAT much is crystal clear.
Dolt. [/B][/QUOTE]
It's also crystal clear that he maybe can devise the means to defeat Wolverine, but you still haven't told me how... Facts please, not lame references to other comics/old battles...
13 pages and we're going nowhere.
Pure fist against fist-
Batman could conceivably kill or beat Wolverine. He could maybe hit him in some nerve which could cause him to fall down or become paralized long enough for Batman to jam something in his eye socket straight to the brain. Or, maybe he could smash Wolverines windpipe and mangle it long enough as to where Wolverine would pass out and die from lack of oxygen. There could be some other ways, I guess. Personally, even if Batman is the better fighter and faster, I just dont see batman winning in this matter. Wolverine has the healing factor and can take some major punishment (more than batman could supply). Eventually, batman would tire. Even if he was beating Wolverine throughout the entire fight, it would only be a matter of time. How long would be anyones guess.
Wolverine could conceivably beat or kill Batman. I will eliminate the claws in this battle. Lets say Batman was beating Wolverine physically throughout a long and drawn out battle. Again, Wolverine's healing factor jumps in and keeps him conscious and heals the wounds. Batman tires from the physical effort and punishment from actually beating on Wolverine (punching admantium would probably hurt after awhile). Wolverine goes into a rage and rips Batmans windpipe out, or maybe snaps his neck, or just plain beats him to death.
Pick your scenario. I think Wolverine wins in this fashion.
Both characters fight with whatever resources available-
Batman could conceivably kill or beat Wolverine. Theres too many ways to count. Batman has resources that could probably tap into the computers around the world to gain knowledge of the opponent, could probably devise a suit of some substance that Wolverines claws couldnt penetrate, poisons or toxins that counter the healing factor, sonic devices, etc,,,. There may be too many ways to count.
Wolverine could conceivably kill or beat Batman. Well, Wolverine does have admantium claws. I dont know whos universe this fight is taking place in nor do I care. What I do know is that they are sharp and metal hard. Let me see,,,taking into account that Batman is faster and the better fighter, (no proof, but the general belief) Wolverine might need to rely on strategy. Logan could take a dive and wait for Batman to get close enough for him to strike with his claws. No, Batmans to smart for that. As a matter of fact, I doubt Batman would allow this fight to even enter the physical realm if possible. Wolverine might take the victory after reverting to his bezerker rage. I realize that his fighting skills would deminsih, but i'm sure you've seen boxers use the 'take three to give one' technique. Wolverine is also very hard to harm in this manner also (as I dont believe he feels pain due to the adrenaline). If Wolverine got close enough to Batman, he would kill him in this stage.
Pick your scenario. Personally, I dont feel that Wolverine would stand a chance. I think Batman would take him out from a distance before any physical contact could be made. The thing to remember also is, Batman has access to these resources in the comics (in most cases).
This was just my overview. Yours is probably different.
***Sidenote- I'm tired of hearing about the Black Panther. I realize that Marvel gave him a makeover and attempted to copy Batman to make the character popular. I also realize that the latest series must have been good (i've read that alot of people thought it was the best book at the time) but I never read any of it. I also realize that the panther has always been a second rate character and will now retain that status as his series was cancelled "again". My point is, no matter how bad the company makes any character, they arent going to be beating the cash
cows (even if they should). Its ok to compare abilitys, but in the long run, I think we all know what would happen if the top sellers were pitted against the second tier. Might not be fair, but thats the way it usually is. Its even worse when they guest star in other characters titles. I like the panther, but he's done. Maybe the Avengers will let him scrounge for awhile.***
What if… stories were written by sarcastic persons ?
A. It happened one night, at Gotham City. The Dark Knight also known as Batman sees a dark and mysterious person sitting on a bench in the park. When coming closer, Batman notices that the person seems to be short, muscled and hairy. Very hairy.
“What’s the problem, my friend”, he asks “sitting here on such a dark night all by yourself”. The hairy man just grumbles something, and Batman immediately notices that the man is somehow able to taste the scent of Batman. “You’re that rich guy from the big mansion” the man suddenly says.
Batman is shocked ! How on earth did this man, who certainly looks not too bright, find out the true identity of our beloved hero ? He has been hiding his real name for years, and now, the hairy man seems to know it. The mind of Batman, immeasurably superior than any other living being, immediately comes up with a cunning plan: this person must be eliminated. Whatever it takes.
B. “Do you want a beer ?” Batman asks politely. “Don’t mind if I do” the mysterious man responds. Luckily, Lady Shiva taught Batman always to carry a six-pack in his utility belt. Batman throws the beer at the man (who he will later know as Wolverine) who easily catches it.
“Do you like the beer ?” he asks. Wolverine just nods. “Well, since you’re such a nice young man, I will send my butler Alfred from time to time with some more beer. Does that suit you ?”
“Whatever bub” Wolverine says. Inside, Batman is laughing, because he has a plan, and having a plan, that is what he does better than anybody else.
C. He leaves Wolverine with his beer and immediately returns to his hideout. He spends the next week by making lots of phone calls. Slowly he begins to realize who or what Wolverine really is: he is a mutant who is known to be very hard to kill, let alone hurt. His healing factor takes care of most wounds, poisons and toxic gasses, and he has enhanced senses. His unbreakable skeleton makes him even harder to hurt and, on top of that, he has this razor sharp claws. He likes to use them also.
Batman sends an e-mail to Xavier of the X-men, who is glad to send a detailed file in return concerning the few weaknesses Wolverine has. It’s hardly a file, it’s just a piece of paper. Batman is disappointed but then he notices that the ears of Wolverine, being supersensitive, are quite vulnerable to certain sounds. Aha, now this could work, because Batman has off course some weapon he can use against the mutant. His mind now works at the speed of light. For the second time, he smiles…
D. Batman tells Alfred to search for the weapon (Batman can’t remember exactly where he put it, he has so many gadgets lying around everywhere, but he tells Alfred to check out the closet with all the kryptonite rings, cause the weapon should also be there). As soon as the trusty Alfred turns up with the sonic rifle, Batman takes the weapon and returns to Wolverine, who apparently was more than happy to wait a week.
“Did you enjoy the beer ?” Batman asks? “I sure did, bub” Wolverine replies, feeling a little bit drunk. “Well”, Batman says, “maybe you would also enjoy this !!” and he quickly pulls his sonic rifle out of his utility belt, and fires it at Wolverine, who, being too slow and dumb and obviously very vulnerable to sound, immediately hits the floor.
Another flawless victory for the Dark Knight, Batman thinks, as he majestically walks away, leaving the fallen mutant for what he is. And another prove that intelligence can conquer all, no matter how tough, strong, experienced and mutated the opponent is.
Now it’s time for Batman to fight a more challenging villain, like the Riddler…
End of “What if… stories were written by sarcastic persons ?”