wolverine woudl crush batman and if any of u care to knwo was electra was able to ebat wolverien I be kidn enough to tell u that he had forgoten all his fighting styles cuz he ahd memore loss from oevr useign his heal power mad ehim go into animal like state she foguth him right afetr he had gotten more nroaml and he ahd non of his memories of ll the diffrent forms of fightign skills
Originally posted by wolverine8888
wolverine woudl crush batman and if any of u care to knwo was electra was able to ebat wolverien I be kidn enough to tell u that he had forgoten all his fighting styles cuz he ahd memore loss from oevr useign his heal power mad ehim go into animal like state she foguth him right afetr he had gotten more nroaml and he ahd non of his memories of ll the diffrent forms of fightign skills
And how many does Batman know? Lol.
Ack indeed. I estimate Bats strength at about 680lb press(assuming he's as strong in proportion to his body weight as Cap America-given they are both peak humans apparently). Coz if you're bats(weighing in at 210lbs),lifting 680 lbs is same as Cap(240lbs) lifting 800lbs. I prob wont get much agreement on this, but I've never seen it stated how much Bats can lift so I always try to calculate logically what is must be(generally if I dont know something). YOu got anything that sheds light on bats' exact strength never?coz you told us his IQ before.
Kal-el, will get back to you on that.
Some various thoughts on Shiva, who trained Batman:
Lady Shiva Woosan - Ruthless fighter and expert assassin, Lady Shiva has been known to show an honorable side on occasion. While her motives and methods are mostly clandestine, she re-trained Batman in the martial arts after his paralysis and also worked to train Robin.
>>>Wait, here is one on Iron Fist since beavis THINKS Wolverine can beat him on skill:<<<
Iron Fist and Shang Chi are regarded as the highest practitioners of the Asian martial arts in all of Marvel(again,apart from Stick). <----- and STICK taught DAREDEVIL.
>>>Back to Lady Shiva:<<
Lady Shiva - Christ on a flaming sidecar. This crazy-ass wench makes a career of wandering around killing the best martial artists in the DCU. She routinely does stuff that shouldn't even be remotely possible. Tim Drake, the world's most dangerous teenager, who's taken down King Snake and KGBeast solo, has been scared shitless of Lady Shiva since he was 13. She is, without question, the most frighteningly lethal fighter in this match, and I think in the end, she will be able to take Rand. Even she's not walking away from a brawl like this unscathed, though.
Lady Shive is considered one of the best martial artists in the entire world! She was the one who re-taught Bruce Wayne to fight. She's cold, bloodthirsty, and she kicked the holy hell out of Batman until he got back up to speed (because, we all know that Batman is supreme #1 when it comes to fighting and there really was NO WAY Captain America could have beaten him!!)
Why lady Shiva? Well, Batman hasn't died yet, has he? Noooo! Now, anybody who can train the Bat has to be some tough B***h! (Ain't that right, Harley?)
Lady Shiva- She sounds pretty good. Trained batman? now that's dicipline! Logically I should be votting for her but....
Lady Shiva is better than Batman. This is the woman who INVENTS her own martial arts disciplines. Don't think that any of these folks stand a chance in hell.
I'm a Marvel fan, and I admit it. But I've seen Shiva fight, and she could quite possibly beat even Cap in pure martial arts skill. To be fair, Shang-Chi could take her, sure, but not without a long and difficult fight. But aside from Shang-Chi and *maybe* Iron Fist (and then *only* if he uses the Fist), the rest are so far beneath Shiva's notice that it's pitiful. In short, Shiva could be fighting blind with both hands tied behind her back, and she'd still mop the floor with Leonardo and Snake Eyes.
>>>Now, that being said, here were thoughts on a Lady Shiva versus ELEKTRA match posted on a messageboard I visit. Undedited, of course..<<<
"Good fight, neither would hold back and they would fight to the bitter end. I see Shiva winning more times than not but then again its a close contest. If Elektra uses her voice attack shiva would be sucking pavement."
"Close, but Shiva takes it more often than not."
<<Yes, Elektra is EASILY superior to Wolverine in martial arts skill, as are many others.<<
My comments are in arrows so as not to confuse mine with other comments.
My god, you’re unbelievable Never. This is getting boring, because you keep repeating yourself. You never gave me one (1) good reason why Batman actually could win a fight against Wolverine. Yeah sure, vague reasons a gogo (the old "he will outsmart Wolverine" trick again, "he will find something", “he is more a strategic genius”, “that is what he does…”), but you haven't still given me any solid proof. Solid proof, something a lawyer could use in a courtroom, not the “his brains”-blah blah again. Like tkitna pointed out, this only works when Batman possesses the files of Wolverine and has a week the time to produce some kind of trap/weapon against Wolverine. But in a direct fight, mano a mano, Batman will go down before Wolverine can say bub.
So, I still need solid proof.
Off course, I have to admit, I realize nobody can't really proof these things, because the outcome of such a battle depends on too much variables, such as inspiration and mood of the writer, popularity of the characters and perhaps the story. Therefore, the only way you can decide for your own who wins this fight, is to look at their statistics and abilities they possess on paper, and NOT to look at their past and say: “hey, this guy has beaten this other guy, so then he must be able…” That’s a very wrong way to decide an outcome of a fight. According to my point of view, looking at their abilities on paper it is the best and certainly the most honest way to compare them. Naturally, you may once in a while refer to some old battles, but than off course you have to realize that every hero has had his of her triumphs and defeats, so in the end, it means squat. Absolutely nothing. Each fight is different.
So, like I asked the last time very politely, don’t drag every hero into this while saying triumphantly : “See, see ! This weak villain has beaten Wolverine, so Batman can take him also”. You always, always refer to the Elektra vs Wolverine thing (it’s almost an obsession), but that has absolutely nothing to do with Batman against Wolverine. Newsflash, Never, Elektra isn’t Wolverine !! Like I said, stick to the subject please, being BATMAN vs WOLVERINE.
But I can play the same game naturally, and say that Bullseye, who is certainly not on the same level as Batman or Wolverine, once almost killed Elektra. It took him only a few minutes and yes, he was impressed by her fighting skills, but still, he humiliated her and almost killed her. And Bullseye is certainly not the great fighter as Wolverine or Batman is. But I assume you “forgot” this little detail. I can easily sum up other examples. But, then again, forget it, because like I said, it has nothing to do with a fight between Wolverine and Batman.
And obviously, you didn’t make a list of all the superpowered enemies that Wolverine has beaten like I requested, because you know very well that is too long a list to make and such a list will definitely weaken all your arguments !! You say it yourself, I quote : “You do it (making such a list). I am supporting Batman in this "debate" - what sense does it make for me to help you prove YOUR point?!).”
What sense does it make? Well, it’s called being OBJECTIVE (try it once), you know ! Only referring to comics which suit you, and ignoring all the other comics in absolutely every way possible isn’t very objective !!
So, back to the subject. On paper Wolverine is probably stronger, due to the fact that he has an adamantium skeleton and therefore is able to lift more weight. But I agree that Batman is almost as strong, so it really doesn't matter that much. The things that Wolverine has that Batman does not, are his great, sometimes animal fighting instinct, his berserker mode, his gigantic stamina (which is much greater than that of Batman), his unbreakable skeleton, his enhanced senses, his healing factor, the fact that he is waaay tougher than Batman and off course his loved claws. I think that both have about the same speed (roughly).
In a direct fight, this is a whole lot to handle for Batsie, he will have his hands full. Too full. He can throw anything he wants at Wolverine, he can use his 127 martial arts all at the same time, it won’t make a difference. Batman will probably go down after let’s say five minutes. But, if Batman gets to plan this fight for at least a week, than he has a fair chance. He could win, he could lose. Impossible to say…
So, I conclude:
1. Be objective, and don’t pick out the old battles that suit you and ignore all the many other battles which make Wolverine look almost like a semi fighting-god.
2. Give me any solid proof that Batman could win a direct fight against Wolverine, please without the retarded “ever analyzing and ever calculating mind”-thing. “He will find something… that is what he does” is just waaaay too vague. Than you can say that the Riddler actually might take on Thanos, because “the Riddler will find something…” Sigh.
3. Stick to the point please, it is Batman vs Wolverine, not uncle Ben vs Aunt May or whatever.
4. Believe it or not, but I actually like Batman more than Wolverine, but I can be honest and objective.
Originally posted by who?-kid
So, I conclude:1. Be objective, and don’t pick out the old battles that suit you and ignore all the many other battles which make Wolverine look almost like a semi fighting-god.
2. Give me any solid proof that Batman could win a direct fight against Wolverine, please without the retarded “ever analyzing and ever calculating mind”-thing. “He will find something… that is what he does” is just waaaay too vague. Than you can say that the Riddler actually might take on Thanos, because “the Riddler will find something…” Sigh.
3. Stick to the point please, it is Batman vs Wolverine, not uncle Ben vs Aunt May or whatever.
4. Believe it or not, but I actually like Batman more than Wolverine, but I can be honest and objective.
Nicely put. I'm anxious for a reponse myself.
Alright, I could see Batman knocking Wolvie out for a long time but not killing him.
1)Remember his Utility belt, he has Fear Toxin, Tear Gas, etc. in it.... That would distract him
2) I would like to state Batman whooped Shiva in Superman/Batman 3.
3) Remember, Wolvies not that smart, he goes by the first impression, and Batman handles foes like that regulary (Solomon Grundy)
4)Bane broke Batman's back, as we all know. Batman came back to Bane AFTER a while and whooped him, nerves, etc.
5) It all depends on the writer 😛
Originally posted by who?-kid
My god, you’re unbelievable Never. This is getting boring, because you keep repeating yourself. You never gave me one (1) good reason why Batman actually could win a fight against Wolverine.
Exactly how did you do in reading comprehension?
He CAN find a way to defeat Wolverine. He devised strategies to DEFEAT THE ENTIRE JLA in case they were subverted via alien mind control. THAT IS MY POINT. BATMAN CAN find a way. That is what he DOES.
There is your answer. Apparently you missed it before. Ask ANYONE about Batman's fighting prowess - it is on par with Captain America's, who is considered to be Marvel's FINEST (homo sapiens) fighter. Wolverine is NOT, mutant or otherwise. Black PANTHER is considered, among MANY circles, to be a finer combatant than Wolverine.
And, interestingly enough, your only support is tkitna? LoL