Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Nowhere near as skilled as Batman? Really? So him fighting people like Shang-Chi, Iron Fist, and Captain America makes him inferior to Batman. Huh, that's...funny, I guess?
Yea he's 1 and 1 against Shang Chi. Great. Batman would demolish Shang. He looked better than IF in a sparring match. Do you really count that as a win? lol. Wolvie barely beat Cap. And Cap doesn't have Batmans weapons.
What about his record against Punisher or DD and Elektra? Or Nick Fury? All losing records. You don't mention those I see. lol
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Except when he has dodged them.
And not nearly as consistently as Batman has. Wolverine almost died from that no name who had poison claws or whatever. If he was so skilled he would have owned that guy by the dozens.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, Wolvie tanks RPGs and shit lately. Stupid, I agree, but he does it. I don't see what Batman is going to do to him when multiple blows from a Thor clone didn't lay him out.
So are you openly endorsing PIS with Wolvie and counting it as a feat? Or are you just ignoring his average portrayal?
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI think Daredevil has something to say about that.
People stronger than Batman have punched and kicked Logan and failed to bring him down.
Batman has survived an allout assault from Superman, and lived, and got up to go fight again 18 hrs later. Batman is highly durable.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankOh really? Punisher grenade? Elektra knife? Marrow bone knives? Daredevil neck chops? All that stuff is beyong Batman I'm sure.
More powerful weapons that what Batman carries on hand have failed to initially take down Wolverine.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So how does Batman win? And how does Batman indefinitely stay away from Wolverine when Wolverine can conversely take virtually anything Batman throws at him but have the capacity to seriously maim, cripple, or outright kill Batman with a single strike?
Wolverine won't be getting in more hits than Batman being faster and more skilled than he is. Bats will be blocking most strikes, countering back more often, using a ton more weapons. Wolvie will be damge soaking to try to get to Batman and eventually fall.
Plus there's the Daredevil neck chop so....
Originally posted by srankmissingninWolverine has also lost fights plenty of times when he decides to tank damage instead of dodging or blocking.
Wolverine tanks swords and bullet for the same reason Superman stands still with his arms akimbo and lets bullets bounce of his chest. The notion that Wolverine gets shot and stabbed because he isn't skilled enough to stop it is almost as stupid is saying "If Superman is so fast, then why does he get shot all the time?"
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
On the skill note, Wolverine has legitimate wins over top 10 martial artists. Batman doesn't. Best you can say is Batman has fought some of them and held his own (most of that is Pre Crisis)... but he doesn't have any legit wins. Certainly nothing on par with Wolverine beating Shang-Chi in half a dozen panels.
What fights do you mention that are Top 10 MA's? Shang Chi, IF (which wasn't a real fight) and Cap. Any one else I'm missing?
Meanwhile Batman has extended fights with KK (pre crisis and post crisis versions) and stalemated him. *one fight showed Bruce on the losing end*
Batman also has wins on Shiva, Cassandra Cain, Prometheus, Zeiss, Sensei, Hawkman, Katana, David Cain, Deathstroke, KG Beast, NKV Demon and more. All are top level MA's in DC.
Originally posted by Letters
Wolverine has also lost fights plenty of times when he decides to tank damage instead of dodging or blocking.What fights do you mention that are Top 10 MA's? Shang Chi, IF (which wasn't a real fight) and Cap. Any one else I'm missing?
Meanwhile Batman has extended fights with KK (pre crisis and post crisis versions) and stalemated him. *one fight showed Bruce on the losing end*
Batman also has wins on Shiva, Cassandra Cain, Prometheus, Zeiss, Sensei, Hawkman, Katana, David Cain, Deathstroke, KG Beast, NKV Demon and more. All are top level MA's in DC.
You know Wolverine has withstood hits from some of the most powerful beings in Marvel and kept fighting right. If you really want to bring up things that has dropped both, then it would look worse on you since Batman has lost by some people that doesn't even register on Wolverines radar. This goes two ways. You bringing up Wolverine low showings and dismissing Batman isn't the right way to go. Joker has literally koed Batman a** on a couple of occasions and Batman has had his back broken by one of his arch nemisis as well...someone that is inferior to Wolverine speed wise.
Using each at their standard, Wolverine wins 10/10.
Originally posted by carver9So has Batman. Superman Wonder Woman, Darkseid, Shaggyman. So what? Do you want to count those or keep it to the street level like id prefer?
You know Wolverine has withstood hits from some of the most powerful beings in Marvel and kept fighting right.
Originally posted by carver9 If you really want to bring up things that has dropped both, then it would look worse on you since Batman has lost by some people that doesn't even register on Wolverines radar. [/B]lol. Like who?
Originally posted by carver9 This goes two ways. You bringing up Wolverine low showings and dismissing Batman isn't the right way to go. Joker has literally koed Batman a** on a couple of occasions [/B]. Yea but never in a straight up fight. Joker could get the drop on Wolverine too.
Originally posted by carver9 and Batman has had his back broken by one of his arch nemisis as well...someone that is inferior to Wolverine speed wise. [/B]. Yea I guess the weeks of fighting escaped villains with little sleep and food had no factor in that Bane fight huh? And I've seen Bane dodge bullets before so...
Originally posted by carver9 Using each at their standard, Wolverine wins 10/10. [/B]
Your math is way off bro 😉
Lawl. What kills me is this:
Originally posted by Letters
So are you openly endorsing PIS with Wolvie and counting it as a feat? Or are you just ignoring his average portrayal?
Originally posted by Letters
Batman has survived an allout assault from Superman, and lived, and got up to go fight again 18 hrs later. Batman is highly durable.
Irony much?
Originally posted by Letters
So has Batman. Superman Wonder Woman, Darkseid, Shaggyman. So what? Do you want to count those or keep it to the street level like id prefer?lol. Like who?
. Yea but never in a straight up fight. Joker could get the drop on Wolverine too.
. Yea I guess the weeks of fighting escaped villains with little sleep and food had no factor in that Bane fight huh? And I've seen Bane dodge bullets before so...
Your math is way off bro 😉
Show me Batman withstanding hits from class 100 that are trying to kill him.
Jake, my response about Superman was because you posted this.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankPeople stronger than Batman have punched and kicked Logan and failed to bring him down.
So, to clarify, who were you referring to as people stronger than Batman?
And I guess you have no response to my other points either? Makes sense. You don't have much of an argument to go on anyway 🙁
Originally posted by Letters
Jake, my response about Superman was because you posted this.So, to clarify, who were you referring to as people stronger than Batman?
And I guess you have no response to my other points either? Makes sense. You don't have much of an argument to go on anyway 🙁
I can post his fight with WWH, or Savage Hulk who threw a building size tree on him or his.fight with Thor, Wendigo, Sasquash, Colossus, Sentry, Gladiator...and the list goes on.
Originally posted by Letters
Jake, my response about Superman was because you posted this.So, to clarify, who were you referring to as people stronger than Batman?
And I guess you have no response to my other points either? Makes sense. You don't have much of an argument to go on anyway 🙁
Wolverine's powerset and character enables him to endure more damage than Batman could ever hope to. Even "average" Logan can walk through more than what Bruce could. There's nothing PIS about that. His unbreakable skeleton, enhanced physical attributes, and healing factor all contribute to that. Is he unkoable? No, I'm not deranged enough or like Wolverine enough to argue that. But if you were to take the "average" Wolverine and the "average" Batman, Batman doesn't have nearly enough on hand to reliably put down Wolverine. He's not fast enough to perpetually keep away from him long enough to wear him down or deal enough damage to put him down long enough to get a win. Conversely, Logan has the means to bypass Batman's armor and injure him fiercely.
People stronger than Batman that haven't KO'd Logan immediately? Thor, Ragnarok, Hulk, Colossus, Sabretooth, Wendigo, Spider-Man, etc. Thor and Hulk obviously were holding back a great deal of their power, but even them holding back >>> anything Batman can replicate under his own power.
The rest of your argument is pretty nonsensical and isn't worth responding to, tbh. If you want to throw out Logan's storied history of enduring attacks far beyond the capabilities of Batman barring his Batgod PIS aura, that's fine by me, but acknowledge that you're doing so for whatever reason.
Why wouldn't the sonics work again? Logan does have enhanced hearing.
Not saying it would drop him, but it should let Batman hit him with everything he has.. Logans tough and can't be put down permanently, but Batman only has to stop him long enough for it to count as a win. Binding his hands so he can't use his claws isn't out of the question, for example, given Logan isn't strong enough to tear apart steel like it's tissue paper..
And it's not like he's never been faced with a stronger, tougher opponents before (I don't mean Superman either, but meta level and above..)
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Wolverine's powerset and character enables him to endure more damage than Batman could ever hope to. Even "average" Logan can walk through more than what Bruce could. There's nothing PIS about that. His unbreakable skeleton, enhanced physical attributes, and healing factor all contribute to that. Is he unkoable? No, I'm not deranged enough or like Wolverine enough to argue that. But if you were to take the "average" Wolverine and the "average" Batman, Batman doesn't have nearly enough on hand to reliably put down Wolverine. He's not fast enough to perpetually keep away from him long enough to wear him down or deal enough damage to put him down long enough to get a win. Conversely, Logan has the means to bypass Batman's armor and injure him fiercely.People stronger than Batman that haven't KO'd Logan immediately? Thor, Ragnarok, Hulk, Colossus, Sabretooth, Wendigo, Spider-Man, etc. Thor and Hulk obviously were holding back a great deal of their power, but even them holding back >>> anything Batman can replicate under his own power.
The rest of your argument is pretty nonsensical and isn't worth responding to, tbh. If you want to throw out Logan's storied history of enduring attacks far beyond the capabilities of Batman barring his Batgod PIS aura, that's fine by me, but acknowledge that you're doing so for whatever reason.
Some of that "Could" be argued as PIS, but there's no argument Logan isn't someone Batman is going to beat down or knock out. Nothing short of a Mr. Freeze gun is doing that, imo.
WWH takes out Herc with 3 punches.
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WWH one shots both Ares and She Hulk with one punch.
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It took 8 punches for WWH to take Wolverine out.
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Now show us some Batman tanking class 100 punches.
Originally posted by cdtm
Why wouldn't the sonics work again? Logan does have enhanced hearing.Not saying it would drop him, but it should let Batman hit him with everything he has.. Logans tough and can't be put down permanently, but Batman only has to stop him long enough for it to count as a win. And it's not like he's never been faced with a stronger, tougher opponents before (I don't mean Superman either, but meta level and above..)
They could feasibly work, assuming Batman starts off with sonics after deducing Logan's enhanced senses, and that he can use them before Logan closes the distance between the two and if said sonics keep Wolverine down and he just doesn't push past the pain.
Conversely, it's not like Wolverine has ever faced a more dangerous opponent with the means to harm him easier than Batman and win, either.
Really, the only way I see Batman ever beating Logan is if he gadget spams the holy hell out of him while somehow being fast enough to perpetually evade Logan for the entirety of the fight and has been briefed on his capabilities before hand. And even then, based on Wolverine's overall and "average" feats, that's not a sure thing, either.
The idea of Batman wading in close quarters and humiliating Wolverine in something akin to a Flawless Victory, which is what he'd have to do in order to, y'know, not get stabbed, is incredibly implausible.
