Originally posted by bakerboy
Dudes, dont waste your time with this imbecile centauri.
Baker, I expect better out of you, especially since you like the Beatles. He is not an imbecile. He just needs to not force his opinions down others' throats when he disagrees with them.
It can be said that his emotions cloud his judgement, just like yours do you.
I'm not in here saying The Beatles are shit.
Nor am I forcing my opinion down your throat simply because your threshold for debate is more limited. You'll believe what you want because you are biased toward the band, I'm not biased against them, I just question certain aspects of the way they are discussed, like the fact that you assume Bakerboy should be better because he likes The Beatles, as if liking them makes you a good person.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not in here saying The Beatles are shit.Nor am I forcing my opinion down your throat simply because your threshold for debate is more limited. You'll believe what you want because you are biased toward the band, I'm not biased against them, I just question certain aspects of the way they are discussed, like the fact that you assume Bakerboy should be better because he likes The Beatles, as if liking them makes you a good person.
-AC
Point taken (on one topic).
On the other.....you force your opinions on people. ..has nothing to do about my threshold for debate. I could go n' on, but choose not to with you. Because you CHOOSE (key word) to refuse to accept someone else's opinion as opinion, thinking it as something that is right or wrong? That's when you get yourself into trouble.
It's sad, really. ..especially since you know a lot about music. At first you debate/argue intelligently weighing facts (whatever they may be), dissecting info, etc, etc, etc. But if it comes to such that it upsets you to disagree with someone, that's where you don't stop. Ask anyone in here. It's not just me.
At some point, doing it over n' over again, I see a correlation.
Yes, I like the Beatles. I consider them the greatest band ever.
Yes, I like Wayne Gretzky. I consider him the greatest hockey player ever.
Yes, I like Michael Jordan. I consider him the greatest basketball player ever.
Yes, I married a hot, athletic, brainy, rich, educated, woman who happens to play ice hockey and loves sports, and consider her the greatest thing ever to almost EVERY man.
That I happen to like the greatest things in life is not my problem. It's called having good taste.
Get some.
Originally posted by BobbyD
That's ok! That's an answer I can respect.Not, you lick their collective anii.
Good grief. 🙄
At the end of the day their just another band...fact. Musical opinion is the be all and end all of this 'debate' no matter what line of reasoning/argument people choose to hide behind.
First of all, Bobby, it's remarkably cowardly of you to post twice in a row, once being a long argument, the second being entirely needless.
You know I'm going to reply because you know you said shit I have the right to defend myself against, as you do. So why make an additional post? Especially in a thread where you're popping off at me for allegedly not accepting the right to speak.
Originally posted by BobbyD
On the other.....you force your opinions on people. ..has nothing to do about my threshold for debate. I could go n' on, but choose not to with you. Because you CHOOSE (key word) to refuse to accept someone else's opinion as opinion, thinking it as something that is right or wrong? That's when you get yourself into trouble.
I don't get myself into "trouble", and that's a laughable claim.
I am one of the main people on here who respects opinion. I am heavily opinionated on areas of subjective discussion, but it's still opinion. Evidenced by the fact that several posters here have tried to push the idea that there can be factually better taste, and I'm always the first to challenge that.
You have every right to your opinion, but what YOU dislike is the fact that I can and will challenge it with my own opinion. You often post things in discussions about The Beatles with a matter-of-factly sense of entitlement, like when you told me I have to accept they are the greatest band ever, or some crap like that.
Originally posted by BobbyD
It's sad, really. ..especially since you know a lot about music. At first you debate/argue intelligently weighing facts (whatever they may be), dissecting info, etc, etc, etc. But if it comes to such that it upsets you to disagree with someone, that's where you don't stop. Ask anyone in here. It's not just me.
I don't care if it's not just you, because it's not just me who thinks a lot of people ***** and moan about me because they can't handle themselves, but it's swings and roundabouts, so what's the point in even getting into a debate about ME? Discuss my methods, don't discuss me.
Secondly, nothing "upsets" me here, don't make that assumption. You are the one who is clearly bothered by me debating with such tenacity, hence why you really, desperately want me to stop. It's honestly not my fault you can't handle yourself, Bobby. You cannot debate sensibly on the subject of The Beatles because you are entirely and utterly biased, I am not. So that's why everyone of our debates ends with you trying to make a factual claim without any fact, then saying "This is over.".
Originally posted by BobbyD
At some point, doing it over n' over again, I see a correlation.Yes, I like the Beatles. I consider them the greatest band ever.
Yes, I like Wayne Gretzky. I consider him the greatest hockey player ever.
Yes, I like Michael Jordan. I consider him the greatest basketball player ever.
Yes, I married a hot, athletic, brainy, rich, educated, woman who happens to play ice hockey and loves sports, and consider her the greatest thing ever to almost EVERY man.
That I happen to like the greatest things in life is not my problem. It's called having good taste.
See, this is the biggest problem. You are pushing your choices as fact, not confident opinion or taste, but fact.
You are suggesting these are all the "greatest" by FACT, and they are not. It is your OPINION. So in this one post, you have done EVERYTHING you hate me for doing, which I do not do at all.
The Beatles, Michael Jordan and your wife are not all "great" things by fact, it is your opinion. Taste is never fact, so deal with it. You posted twice in a row because you are a very insecure person, and a disgusting hypocrite.
Originally posted by BobbyD
Get some.
Get a better argument.
So while you post twice in a row to try an rally some kind of popular backing because you can't debate for your life, leave the hypocricy at home. For further hilarity, let me highlight you:
Originally posted by BobbyD
On the other.....you force your opinions on people. ..has nothing to do about my threshold for debate. I could go n' on, but choose not to with you. Because you CHOOSE (key word) to refuse to accept someone else's opinion as opinion, thinking it as something that is right or wrong?
Then you say:
Originally posted by BobbyD
That I happen to like the greatest things in life is not my problem. It's called having good taste.Get Some
I'll let that sink in.
Originally posted by BobbyD
That's ok! That's an answer I can respect.Not, you lick their collective anii.
So this ultimately comes down to you just not liking the WAY I say things? It's still opinion when I say it, and I understand the difference, you do not.
Originally posted by wicker_man
At the end of the day their just another band...fact. Musical opinion is the be all and end all of this 'debate' no matter what line of reasoning/argument people choose to hide behind.
Exactly, I've never challenged the subjectivity of taste.
-AC
Bobby, i know that maybe my words were too over the top, you are right, but believe me, i have find a point that is impossible to discuss with that centauri poster in a civilized way because he is just so arrogant and he post the same arguments over and over again without any new argument or proof or something like that, and adding to the mix a lot of insults and personal offenses. Thats a dead horse for me.
But by the way, two things: the beatles are the best band ever and i apoligize for my last posts full of insults.
At least I actually discuss the band, you discuss me, cos you don't know enough to discuss music. All you do is show up in the music forum when I post about The Beatles, it's literally all you do in this forum.
Maybe someone PMs you to tell you I have replied or something.
I will say, this made me laugh:
Originally posted by bakerboy
he post the same arguments over and over again without any new argument or proof or something like that. Thats a dead horse for me.
Originally posted by bakerboy
the beatles are the best band ever
Hahaha.
The funny part is, Bobby won't pick you up on that simply because he agrees. He has a go at me for allegedly putting my opinions across as fact, which I don't, but when YOU do it, he'll say nothing.
Typical, hypocrites.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
At least I actually discuss the band, you discuss me, cos you don't know enough to discuss music. All you do is show up in the music forum when I post about The Beatles, it's literally all you do in this forum.Maybe someone PMs you to tell you I have replied or something.
I will say, this made me laugh:
Hahaha.
The funny part is, Bobby won't pick you up on that simply because he agrees. He has a go at me for allegedly putting my opinions across as fact, which I don't, but when YOU do it, he'll say nothing.
Typical, hypocrites.
-AC
Stop that garbage about the pm, you are not important to me to get someone checking your steps and telling me. That is pretty stupid.
I know about music just much more than you, and i can proove it when i want, i love the beatles, but they arent the only thing that i like in music. As i have said many times, i love the rolling stones, queen, the doors, police, u-2, david bowie, elvis presley, bob dylan, elton john, janis joplin, jimmy hendrix, eric clapton, the who and a long etc. But at least i dont play the arrogant pompous game that you usually plays.
I dont have enough time to post in all the sections of this forum, but sometimes i post in the cinema forum or the batman forums or even in the conspirancy and history forums.
And once again, you are playing the victim again. What poor. If you were capable to get away of your arrogance cloud and discuss the things in a civilized way, i could appreciatte your posts more. But that is impossible for you.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Stop that garbage about the pm, you are not important to me to get someone checking your steps and telling me. That is pretty stupid.I know about music just much more than you, and i can proove it when i want, i love the beatles, but they arent the only thing that i like in music. As i have said many times, i love the rolling stones, queen, the doors, police, u-2, david bowie, elvis presley, bob dylan, elton john, janis joplin, jimmy hendrix, eric clapton, the who and a long etc. But at least i dont play the arrogant pompous game that you usually plays.
I dont have enough time to post in all the sections of this forum, but sometimes i post in the cinema forum or the batman forums or even in the conspirancy and history forums.
And once again, you are playing the victim again. What poor. If you were capable to get away of your arrogance cloud and discuss the things in a civilized way, i could appreciatte your posts more. But that is impossible for you.
Dude, for the millionth time, sort the grammar out. Civil request. I've dealt with your arguments before and many times since. You can't discuss music.
Secondly, I'm not playing the victim, but the fact of the matter (Fact, as evidenced by nearly all of your posts in this forum) is that you do not participate in this music forum and most of the time you show up is when I post in this thread. I even said it a while ago, that it'd be only a matter of time before a "certain" member showed up, and it was, because here you are.
Discuss in a civilised way? All you have done is shown up and made posts aimed at me personally, chock full of poorly spelled, ineffective insults and ridiculous fanboyism, not to mention faux-nationalism and anglophilia.
If you're not going to discuss the band and only the band, don't come here to discuss me. PM me if you wanna discuss me, PM others if you want to discuss me with others, but stop showing up just for this, it's pretty childish.
-AC
Originally posted by bakerboy
Bobby, i know that maybe my words were too over the top, you are right, but believe me, i have find a point that is impossible to discuss with that centauri poster in a civilized way because he is just so arrogant and he post the same arguments over and over again without any new argument or proof or something like that, and adding to the mix a lot of insults and personal offenses. Thats a dead horse for me.But by the way, two things: the beatles are the best band ever and i apoligize for my last posts full of insults.
He (AC) just doesn't know when to stop. That is the problem. I don't think he honestly means any ill will. Look at him as being........oh, I dont know......self destructive.
Originally posted by BobbyD
He (AC) just doesn't know when to stop. That is the problem. I don't think he honestly means any ill will. Look at him as being........oh, I dont know......self destructive.
You know when to stop, right? Hence why you're sitting here discussing me with Bakerboy, ignoring the fact that he is putting opinion across as fact, just because he is biased toward The Beatles and I am not. You're a hypocrite, it was never about WHAT I said, just how I said it. If it was, you'd be pointing fingers at him too.
At least be consistent with who you're going to pick out.
You need to stop putting YOUR opinions and taste out as fact, you need to stop believing that majority = fact. Then maybe you can forge a debate.
Until then, discuss The Beatles, not me. My PM box is for that. The lesson learned, Bob, is don't start something you lack the ability to finish.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The funny part is, Bobby won't pick you up on that simply because he agrees. He has a go at me for allegedly putting my opinions across as fact, which I don't, but when YOU do it, he'll say nothing.Typical, hypocrites.
-AC
I have critcized BB on several occasions for getting carried away. I have said on many occasions AC, that I understand where you come from, I understand your angle, why you disagree, etc. I have tried that nicely, and you rebut with something stupid like you cured me of Beatlemania. 🙄
Dude, just get real and accept that you and I disagree. There's nothing more that needs to be said about this.
And you will reply.....