Its all qui-gons fault!!!

If you trace the chain of events back far enough, the fall of the jedi is all qui-gons fault. DAMN him for having rogue ideas!!!

Qui-gon beleives in the living force. the jedi council doesnt. he is defiant, does not follow some part of the code, probably in his beleif in the living force is part of it. he trains obiwan. yoda senses qui-gons same defiant attitude in obi-wan. obi-wan arrogantly assumes to take anakin as his padawan learner, even if he must without the councils approval. although he does get the councils approval, he still has qui-gons defiance. that no doubt affects how he trains anakin. anakin doesnt learn the control necessary to remain a jedi, so he turns into a sith and plays a pivotal role in wiping out the jedi.

"i thought i could train him just as well as yoda. i was wrong."

Yeah, but then he kills the emperor. The Jedi would have been wiped out with or without Vader, but only Vader could destroy the emperor.

i think a few thousand jedi could have killed the emperor with ease before he ever did any of the things we saw in the OT. but anakin wiped them out so they wouldnt have the chance.

Aside from that, his ass would have blown up on the second death star.

So you don't agree that Anakin brought balance to the force? Or that he was the chosen one?

If you go along with this line of thinking.....It's all Padme Amidala's fault, because she moved for a vote of no confidence that led to Sen Palp becoming Chancellor Palpatine.

I think there were a lot of factors that combined to allow the jedi and old republic to fall.

It was Palpatines fault. No one elses. He set the whole thing in motion, and the only one who could stop him was Anakin. And he eventually did. If Anakin hadn't come around, some other Sith would have gone around and wiped out the Jedi. But Qui-gon could sense Anakin was the chosen one.

I agree....it's the bad guy's thought and no one else's.

well, it's the fault of the Force

if anakin had taken action sooner, he could have prevented the fall of the jedi. qui-gon corrupted obiwans attitude, therefore when he trained anakin, he couldnt do it as well as yoda, and he failed.

it's everyones fault ok?

Qui-Gon's ONLY mistake was dying, for which he can hardly be blamed. He would have brought up Anakin PROPERLY. Sadly, Obi-Wan did not do as well, trying to hold onto a promise to his dying master to a task that was too great for him- to train the most powerful (potential) Jedi ever, starting late.

GL has a quote in which he makes this clear- where Qui-GHon's decision is a rsiky one, but ULTIMATELY right.

So in fact, Qui-Gon saved the Galaxy by bringing Anakin into the equation. The clear impliication of GL's statement is that The Emperor COULD have done it without Vader. So if Qui-Gon had not found Anakin, the Sith would NEVER have been stopped.

That it did not go ENTRIELY to plan is the plot of the films. But it could have been much worse.

That's what I said. Ush, we agree on something? 🙁

i dont know about any of GLs comments on the matter. we do know, however, that qui-gon is a rogue jedi. he did not follow the jedi code. he was rebellious against the jedi council. so by saying qui-gon was right, that would mean the council was wrong. which would mean mace was wrong. and also that yoda was wrong. by the evidence in TPM, we are given the strong impresion that yoda is right.

I see......yoda's a smart jedi 😄

Yoda wasn't right and he wasn't wrong. He said Anakin's future was clouded (although we know his future without the Force)

Mace was just going with Yoda. The future was clouded, so he said "No, the boy shall not be trained."

Qui-Gon was right. He could sense that the boy was the Chosen One and that he should be trained. Anakin met and got to know Qui-Gon better than Obi.

Obi-Wan agreed with his Master while Qui-Gon was dying. The rogue ideas of Qui-Gon rubbed on Obi and Obi agreed, although first he went with the coucil. Obi-Wan wasn't as good a trainer as a trainee to Qui-Gon and Yoda.

The Tusken Raiders were also involved in this. Though they didn't know any better, they were encouraging the wrath of a young Jedi. Ouch!

Palpatine has the biggest part in this. He persuaded Padme into calling a vote of No Confidence. Then he was a nominee for Supreme Chancellor and became that because of the pitee for the Nubians. Plus, he created that pitee by hiring the Trade Federation to blockade Naboo, then invade it.
Later (sometime between III-IV or in III) he succeeded in turning Anakin. Anakin had grown to hate the Jedi because they had kept him away from his mother and because of the things Cliegg Lars said. He used Anakin (now Vader) to kill off the Jedi.

That's what I think. So Palpy's wrong the whole time, Qui's right, Obi's right, the Tuskens are stupid, the Council don't know, and that's that.

Wow...that's a lot ....but you did say similar things....earlier I had said that we couldn't pin it all on one person........

Never stir up the wrath of a young jedi 😄

replying to ush's comment about quigon mistake being to die...

he wouldnt have died if darth maul hadnt killed him. darth maul wouldnt have killed him if padme and panaka and his toadies had shot the crap out of him when darth maul appeared. i mean, he was just standing there, didnt even have his lightsaber out, they could have shot the mess out of him. so, i guess its really theyre fault.

and Maul didn't had to be there if Padma stayed on Coruscant etc...

I believe they were in shock, and Maul would have avoided the blasts anyway.....would you have reacted any faster or better if you saw that lovely visage glaring at you????

heck Maul can kill a jedi master, fence off two jedi...
what would a few shots do?