Its all qui-gons fault!!!

i thought about that, but do you think luke is really only like 1/100th the jedi that obiwan or qui-gon or yoda is?

nah; 5/100 😉

Yoda has the highest midi-chlorian count,
Anakin is the Chosen One,
OB1 and QGJ, well, there is a good EU explanation ...

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight 🙂

it's true

i was saying riiiiiiight about the 5/100 thing and EU explaination

you don't believe me?

i was mostly joking with you. because i dont know of any EU explaination for how much more bad-ass obiwan and yoda and mace are than luke. and also because you said 5/100 as if it were an exact scientifically deduced number. 🙂

The scale of the fight is hazy territory. We'll see what the wirght of numbers is.

And why do you keep going on about burating bubbles? You seemed to think the sdame about my beleif in sabre colourts. There are no bubbles to burst. If GL wanted to make the Jedi more crappy I would have accepted that, but I believe from the weigh of evidence before us he has not. I just interpret things as they are; I have no Jedi-loving agenda.

Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan took on far more than ten droids on many occasions in TPM.

i dont think the jedi are crappy at all. i think taking on 10 droids is major bad-@$$!!! 🙂 I just thinking that jedi are more or less invincible is a little too much. aside from that, i mainly think those naboo soldiers could have lit maul up if they wanted to. but they didnt, so it really doesnt matter.

on the DVD GL said something about not wanting them to become superheros...
(well, it's on those 12 part thing, so if someone wants to check it...)

That's the stuff that was on the website.

The point there is that GL doesn't want Jedi to have Superman-like powers such as flight and heat rays and teleportation and so on. Which is fair enough. They are simply fast, skilled and deadly.

yeah! that was indeed what he said! thanx ush

Originally posted by Ushgarak
queeq- yes, I knew he was talking about being killed. I maintain that he meant it was simply not utterly impossible. But I am sure he was talking about VAST odds. Qui-Gon was utterly confident in all other situations. 'They will not be a problem', he says of the small army of battle droids in the Naboo hangars, that the Royal Guard seemed unwilling to take on.

I don't know. The way he said "I wish that were so" almost sounded like he had witnessed it before. I think he did state that under particular circumstances a Jedi could be killed. "Vast odds" is mere speculation when you mean numbers. After all, it took only one young Sith named Maul to kill him..... and a Jedi Padawan to kill Maul... So QGJ was vulnerable. I remember even the novelisation mentioning something about him that he was once a great sabre fighter, but even though he was still one of the best, he had gotten slower. And now look what happens.
So I think Jedi have the weak spots, and that does not necessarily against great numbers.

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very interesting how to tie quigon w/ the fall of the jedi.

maybe. maybe not. O_o

Maybe his death is more of a forbearing of the doom that will befall the Jedi.

thats the reason the obvious statement was put into the script, but i think it also applies to past experiences.

Qui-Gon's line "If only that were true" in response to Anakin's claims that no-one could a jedi troubled me, too. It smacks of the same sense of fatalistic resignation as Obi-Wan's "IF you strike me donw..."

I think Qui-Gon knew he was close to death. Or perhaps he just had a Jedi friend who he missed - which would perhaps back up speculation about his relationship with Dooku?

It seems common knowledge that Dooku simply left the order, or am i mistaken?

Yes it is common knowledge, but obviously not to all commoners. 😄