Its all qui-gons fault!!!

just because jango fett is in the star wars movies and pretty much kicks obiwans ass, doesnt mean he is unique. hes just the character thats in the movie. thats it. and as far as your jedi predicting the near future bit, it doesnt help much in predicting something moving the speed of light, like a laser bolt. why was it so hard for obiwan to predict where TWO laser bolts are going in AOTC. Im sorry, Ush, but youre reasoning just doesnt seem to hold up to "reality." granted, this IS a fantasy world, but no human, jedi or not, could deflect 6 bolts coming in at a rate of around 4 a second. im sorry, but unless the people firing have REALLY bad aim, atleast ONE of these bolts would hit. Aside from that, if your reasoning were true, a jedi could deflect a million bolts at once because he could predict the future. OBVIOUSLY there is some point where a jedi can simply be overwhelmed. sometimes numbers do have the advantage and theres nothing you can do about it. "we can only protect you. we cant fight a war for you." there simply arent enough jedi to protect the galaxy against threats. jedi are not all powerful. and amidala and her troops could have blasted maul to hell. :-)

That is very good reasoning there big. But, this is a fantasy world and 6 bolts isn't too bad for a jedi.

who says?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Qui-Gon just meant it was not totally impossdibe for Jedi to die.

No, Qui-Gon said it was not impossible that a Jedi could be KILLED by someone. And he was not aware of Sith at that time, so obviously Jedi CAN be killed, it just isn't easy.

Originally posted by bigsef2

sometimes numbers do have the advantage and theres nothing you can do about it. "we can only protect you. we cant fight a war for you." there simply arent enough jedi to protect the galaxy against threats. jedi are not all powerful. and amidala and her troops could have blasted maul to hell.

I don't think that line says they aren't powerful. That has to do with the mandate Jedi have. They can keep the peace and guard justice, but they cannot fight whole wars for separate planets. That would endanger their impartial position in the universe as guardians of peace and justice.

sorry, Ush, that's what I ment!
(djee! I have to learn to express myself!)

I'm sorry, but QGJ said it was a stand-off, not the script. It was HIS decision

Yes, yerss, but when a film gives you a line like that, it is also for the benefit of the audience understanding the situation. Film can't explain things like books can; the explanation goes into the lines given. I don;t see how the Jedi were in any danger from the droidekas so long as they kept their guards up, but that wasn't getting the Jedi anywhere, of course.

Bigsef, your answer makes no sense, The Jedi have shown a continual ability to block blaster bolts, regardless of their speed. As LW says, this is a fantasy world and Jedi do fantasitcal speed. I mean, did you see how many people Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan took on? Not a SINGLE shot got through!

And I SAID there was a limit. I said they could not face off against entire armies. So please read my posts properly.

But Darth Maul was, again, clearly presented as being an unstoppable problem for anyone except a Jedi. The Naboo could NOT have killed him. If they could have done the whole threat factor of the film is ruined.

queeq- yes, I knew he was talking about being killed. I maintain that he meant it was simply not utterly impossible. But I am sure he was talking about VAST odds. Qui-Gon was utterly confident in all other situations. 'They will not be a problem', he says of the small army of battle droids in the Naboo hangars, that the Royal Guard seemed unwilling to take on.

They ARE superior. And this is not mad Jedi love. I just go on the facts presented. And that is how they have been presented.

bigsef- if Jango is the best non-Jedi, yet he gets beaten, how does that place EVERYONE ELSE who would dare take on a Jedi? I already commented on how easily Boba Fett wwas dealt with, and he was meant to be the best too.

Face it. Jedi are nigh-on unstoppable until you bring enormous armies to bear.

Jedis can make mistakes, and when they stand there for 535454564 hours and the droiddekas are still shooting at them with their shields, they COULD get tired, letting their defence down and could get shot, and after a while they could get killed...

my point is that there is a point where a jedi can simply be outnumbered. and i dont think you need an army of 1000 people to get the better of one jedi. even in a fantasy world, thats unreasonable. and we have NEVER EVER in the history of star wars see a jedi take on more than 10 people or so SIMULTANEOUSLY, BY HIMSELF. Anything anyone may propose beyond that is simply hypothetical.

We havent seen AOTC yet, and im not sure about the numbers of droids vs the number of jedi in the genosis arena. you may argue that thats because there are an army of droids there, but guess what? theres an ARMY of jedi, too. ive heard rumors from hundreds to THOUSANDS of jedi are there and they get slaughtered by freaking droids. Weve seen from TPM that two jedi can take on a fair number of droids at a time, but i honestly doubt there will even be 100 droids to every jedi in the arena. i doubt there will be 50 droids to every jedi. but they still all die.

And as far as QGJ's comment about not being able to fight a war for Amidala, I don't take that to mean they dont get involved in conflicts like that where one party is clearly wrong. In the scriptment for AOTC, yoda clearly expands on that thought when he says that there simply arent enough jedi to deal with dooku and the planets allied with him. thats why they need the clones. Its not that the jedi arent willing to fight for justice, there just arent enough of them.

One things: the scriptment is still NOT something we can base ourselfs on!

and besides, your last remark... it was answered by the JC on sw.com, anymore cannon is something we cannot get

well if the jedi dont get involved in conflicts, then why would they be in the genosis arena?

as far as the official things go ... there is no arena...

is that kind of like, "there is no spoon"? 😉

We're really not sure if it is a whole amry of Jedi, either. Nor do we know how many die. I think that overwhelming numbers are pretty much the deal here.

Well, that's how I think it works, anyway.

so the universe is not quite as you thought it was. you had better rearrange your beliefs, then, because you certainly cant rearrange the universe

Well, it could well be a small army of Jedis, or even Padawans...

I have NO idea what you mean, bigsef. I see no reason to change my beliefs. I still think you are the one who is wrong.

actually its a quote from isaac asimov. and i actually just said that because i was slightly drunk last night when i got home and it just seemed like something fun to write down. what are you saying i am wrong about, though? i, atleast have the scriptment to base my ideas on. while its not cannon, it does give us a good idea of what to expect. the jedi get lit up by a bunch of freaking droids and we have no reason to beleive that there's a whole ARMY of droids FOR EVERY jedi. I hate to burst your bubble, but the jedi are not as bad-ass as you think they are. name just one instance in any star wars movie where we see a jedi take on more than 10, or even 5, people at a time. we dont see it. Jedi aren't wimps, but theyre also not nearly invinvible supermen, either.

Luke on the sail barge was 5...

And let me say again: the scriptment can STILL be wrong!

Luke didnt take on that many AT ONE TIME, and ALONE. He had the help of Lando, Han, Chewie, and R2 and Leia to a limited extent. Also, he never had all of them attacking him at once! If memory serves me well, I dont remember Luke in a conflict with more than 3 or 4 at a time. While it's possible there is a brief period where maybe luke is taking on 5 by himself, its certainly not on the multitude of the hundreds or thousands USH says a jedi could handle at once

mind you that Luke was trained by an old man, Vader is more machine and Yoda is +900 years...