The Official Naruto series Thread

Started by psycho gundam1,600 pages

i hate waiting though

Turns out Jiraiya is in the ocean, not a lake. So yeah, getting him would be....decidedly difficult.

Some good quotes. I like the Itachi one especially.

Ehhh.. I don't agree with a some of those decisions, honestly.

I disagree with:

Naruto as chaotic good
Sasuke as chaotic evil
Madara as neutral evil

Sasuke and Madara should be switched imo. Sasuke is a sociopath but he isn't necessarily malicious. He views the destruction of Konoha as "justice" and is willing to kill anyone who stands in his way, but he doesn't really revel in bloodshed. Madara on the other hand is willing to sacrifice everything and anything in order to rule the world.

I suppose Orochimaru would fit the "chaotic evil" clause even better though.

As for Naruto, he's too morally naive to be chaotic good. A chaotic good character would be someone like James Bond, Robin Hood, or Mal from Firefly or Wolverine.

The only one I might not really agree with is Bee. I dunno if he's neutral.

Madara isn't even in the picture. Silly Blax.

Ooooh yes he is

IMO Naruto probably most qualifies as chaotic good. He's definately 'good', so the only question is whether he's lawful, neutral or chaotic. Just my opinion but I think he's more of a rebel than a paladin. He told A and Tsunade to shove it when they got in the way of him doing what he felt is 'right.' I'm too tired to think of other examples, but he's never gave much shits about rules that I can recall.

Sasuke is insane from hatred and determined to genocide an entire villiage. Dudes ****ing Evil imo. And he doesn't care what he has to do to get his way.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican

As for Naruto, he's too morally naive to be chaotic good. A chaotic good character would be someone like James Bond, Robin Hood, or Mal from Firefly or Wolverine.

Alignment isn't personality.

He's chaotic good, and so's Robin Hood, just in very different ways.

The way I always try to look at it is to seperate the two words. Example: Itachi. Is the character evil, neutral or good? Well he doesn't do anything evil or selfish but nor does he do anything that heroic. So neutral. Is he lawful, neutral or chaotic? Dude murdered his entire clan to protect the villiage and because he was asked to. Lawful. Voila! Lawful Neutral.

Yea, a good way to view it.

Originally posted by Q99
Alignment isn't personality.

He's chaotic good, and so's Robin Hood, just in very different ways.

It's all about personality. How is Naruto chaotic good? Because he doesn't care about the law?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
It's all about personality. How is Naruto chaotic good? Because he doesn't care about the law?

He never has been much one for rules, but also is trying to change the very way the ninja world works, going against a lot of tradition in doing so. He views good as overriding law to be sure, and would break just about any law in a second if he felt it was the right thing to do.

By 'alignment isn't personality,' I mean that an alignment isn't just one personality type. It's any personality that fits within that part of the spectrum. Any of them can be smart, dumb, naive, bitter, etc. etc., without exception.

Naruto is actively trying to cause a revolution in the way the ninja world works, and outright denies the standards and laws of others if they do not mesh with his moral code.

He is certainly chaotic good.

I would say Tobi is certainly chaotic evil though, based on current evidence.

The guy outright admits that he wants to turn the world into his mental slave because he is just a megalomaniacal douche.

That could change though, since we know so little about Tobi at the moment.

Part 1 Gaara probably fits Chaotic Evil more. Whatever Sasuke is doing, he still feels somewhat morally justified in doing it. Gaara just did shit that amused him. Sasuke hasn't gotten quite to the level where he's killing anyone for pleasure.

That's not really what chaotic evil means.

Sasuke "feeling" morally justified doesn't mean a goddamn thing. Kratos "felt" morally justified when he rampaged across Greece and nearly destroyed the planet in his goal to kill Zeus, but he wasn't, and was just being a selfish dick, and is more chaotic evil than anyone mentioned in this thread.

Let's see what TV Tropes has to say about Sasuke's brand of evil?

"Type 5 is a Well-Intentioned Extremist who saw (or a Knight Templar who sees) himself as Chaotic Good (Just Like Robin Hood) but slowly passed over the Moral Event Horizon, often without being consciously aware of it."

Sasuke believes what he is doing is right, but has become a monster without even realising it.

Orochimaru, Hidan, Sasuke, Deidara, pre-Sasuke Retrieval Gaara, IMO Tobi, and a few others I don't feel like naming, they are chaotic evil Naruto characters.

Kay. Gaara still fits into the Type Four Category imo, which is apparently the most dangerous one. So when I said he fits it more, I was referring to that. uhuh

Granted, I'm not a nerd. So I do not care.

TVtropes says that Tobi is Neutral Evil noob.

'Type 1 characters are largely or totally amoral and commit evil for self-serving, but not necessarily malicious purposes. They tend to be in it for money and power but may eschew motives like revenge or sadism, viewing them as barbaric or simply unprofessional;'

That sounds like Tobi to me.

Although I still think Sasuke is Chaotic Evil. The guy is killing anyone he comes across but Itachi at the moment, even if they're on his side, just to test out his new eyes.

Shut up *****.

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