Originally posted by psycho gundam
Going by hype, Mito is the strongest female in the seris. I was just wondering why the Great and Terrible Sealing Queen who happened to host Kurama doesn't have any noteworthy battles to tag along with her name. Is that so wrong?
Originally posted by dadudemon
I say no he is not. If he tried that asteroid thing as a flesh being, he would kill himself. He even commented on the tech working because of his ET body.Like I pointed out...he's all bark but not nearly as useful in a 1 v 1 fight as people like the Raikages and Minato. All bark..man........having uber awesome techs isn't the only way to beat a ninja.
Madara had all the Kages on the ropes with just Mokuton alone. It took Onoki amping A's fist along along with Tsunade using Genesis Rebirth just to break Madara's Susanoo's ribs. Mei and Gaara were also on the defensive. Besides Madara doesn't really use his Rinnegan techs unless he's purposely experimenting.
Onoki did have a flashback to Madara kicking the shit out of him and Muu...just saying.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Really? Cause he seemed to have single handily told Onoki and Muu to fawk off in the past without resistance. And he single handidly smacked down all the Kage at once lol.
He did?
Cause I don't remember that happening, at all.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Madara is treating this fight like a game and is using Mokuton for practice it would seem. He doesn't seem to be very serious about things.
Suck my balls:
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/562/14
313
Originally posted by dadudemon
He did?Cause I don't remember that happening, at all.
Suck my balls:
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/562/14
313
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/562/2
Mu and Onoki meet Madara.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575/8
Onoki is laying on the ground pwned lol.
Sweet, Madara blocked a lightspeed kick from Tsunade lol.
Okay seriously.
The only time Madara was so much as nicked in this fight is when Onoki fired his laser, and even then the wound mostly consisted of a ripped shoulder and broken armour, and it was done to his Susano'o-less form.
Madara's Susano'o was capable of standing up to attacks from multiple sides from an Onoki-boosted A, Tsunade, and Mei without Madara being injured. He then proceeded to pull a feint on Tsunade and pwn her.
Wow guys look at how bad his showings are.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Nope, you're wrong. He has the ability to seal chakra for late use, period. Adding "people" is not necessary to describe what he does. He can use other seals. It is more difficult to seal it inside a person.I win.
COnsidering we only see him to do that with a person as the recipient, yes it is.
In your wet dreams. estahuh
Originally posted by dadudemon
Everything. Since they will never equal him in speed, they will have no choice but to just give up while prepping.
Makes no sense whatsoever. They aren't fighting while prepping. 😐
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, the second was not a s/t master. That's Minato or Tobi, not Tobirama. And having super seals does not give you the ability to track: that would be chakra sensing.Minato is not evil so he will not be able to be sensed for evil intentions. Meow.
Yeah, Minato's statement that Tobi's S/T jutsu surpasses both his and Tobirama's suggests that Tobirama's was on a similar level to that of Minato's. Somewhat like you suggesting that Minato's S/T jutsu was on a similar level to Tobi's, even though Tobi's surpassed his.
Good thing Mito can sense shit, and Tobirama can track him just by touching the ground.
If he wants to take on the world, he will be having evil intentions. 313
Originally posted by dadudemon
Tsunade is strong. Madara is all talk. If he were "alive", he'd be dead by now from fighting the Kages. In fact, that initital strike forced him to have to repair himself when Tsunade came on the scene. So, Madara insta-loses the fight if he's flesh.
Right, if he enters into a Taijutsu-only fight with a likely physically amped Tsunade, fights with lesser caution much like he has been doing as an ET Zombie, and lets her land a blow. Otherwise, nah, he'd destroy her & them if he was being serious.
Also, I was referring to your 'like a sir' comment.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Onoki taking the brunt of Madara's meteor and destroying the forest that downed his fellow Kage sure did show us that he is weaker than Tsunade.
Maybe if it wasn't for his age he'd be up there with A and Tsunade.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/562/2Mu and Onoki meet Madara.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575/8
Onoki is laying on the ground pwned lol.
Sweet, Madara blocked a lightspeed kick from Tsunade lol.
I see nothing here that counters what I've stated.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah man taking Tsunade's cheapshot kick without injury sure is a bad showing.
Madara surviving a death killing blow from Tsunade because he has an ET body sure makes you derpy.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Okay seriously.The only time Madara was so much as nicked in this fight is when Onoki fired his laser, and even then the wound mostly consisted of a ripped shoulder and broken armour, and it was done to his Susano'o-less form.
Madara's Susano'o was capable of standing up to attacks from multiple sides from an Onoki-boosted A, Tsunade, and Mei without Madara being injured. He then proceeded to pull a feint on Tsunade and pwn her.
Wow guys look at how bad his showings are.
Okay, Madara got his ass kicked no less than 3 times and each time, that would have killed him if he were a real body. Add the fact that he'd have killed himself with the asteroids he pulled out of the sky and you have no less than 4 cases where Madara should have died if it weren't for his special body.
Wow, guys, let's suck Madara's c*ck some more and add two heaping scoops of derp.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Madara surviving a death killing blow from Tsunade because he has an ET body sure makes you derpy.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/562/14
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/562/15
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563
Nowhere in any of these three scans do we see any damage to Madara's Edo Tensei body. Your speculation that it was a death killing blow is exactly that: Speculation, that you can't prove.
Beyond that, we see that Madara's guard is up, blocking it..
Okay, Madara got his ass kicked no less than 3 times and each time, that would have killed him if he were a real body. Add the fact that he'd have killed himself with the asteroids he pulled out of the sky and you have no less than 4 cases where Madara should have died if it weren't for his special body.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/2
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/3
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/4
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/5
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/8
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/9
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/10
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/12
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/13
Notice that at no point was Madara visibly injured. Especially take note of A's punch, though it broke Susano'o, it didn't come close to hitting Madara himself.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575/2
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575/3
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575/4
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575/5
Wow, creating a forest at will and then smacking all five Kages around with his Susano'o! How weak of him!
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575/10
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575/11
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575/12
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/576/13
Now we get to the first and only time Madara is hurt in the fight. Madara gets caught in Onoki's blast, which causes some superficial damage to his shoulder, but mostly his armour that we can see. Fact of the matter is, the number of non-Biju characters who could tank Onoki's attacks could be counted on one hand, so this is not a bad showing at all.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/577/3
Hey look! It's Tsunade's fist not connecting with Madara! I guess he wouldn't have died even without ET after all.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/577/4
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/577/5
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/577/6
While the Susano'o was broken, Madara was, in fact, uninjured.
I don't think I need to post how this chapter ends. Tsunade hits a Mokuton clone, and Madara then pwns her.
The asteroid case is irrelevant. Clearly he would not have used it with a real body from that close up.
Wow, guys, let's suck Madara's c*ck some more and add two heaping scoops of derp.
Would you perhaps like a mouth gag, to stifle your insipid whining from the ass pounding I am giving you?
Edit: I realise that you mostly were referring to non-Mokuton abilities, but I included them mostly for context of everything else (Notice that I did not mention the sleeping jutsu).
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
COnsidering we only see him to do that with a person as the recipient, yes it is.In your wet dreams. estahuh
That's incorrect: it can be done with any object that can take chakra without seals.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Makes no sense whatsoever. They aren't fighting while prepping. 😐
Your reason for why it makes no sense make no sense: without prep, Minato would them in seconds. "Flee on sight" orders were given for a reason.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yeah, Minato's statement that Tobi's S/T jutsu surpasses both his and Tobirama's suggests that Tobirama's was on a similar level to that of Minato's. Somewhat like you suggesting that Minato's S/T jutsu was on a similar level to Tobi's, even though Tobi's surpassed his.
That's not true. The Flying Thundergod technique is Minato's creation. It is related to Tobirama's tech, for sure, but the FTG tech is Minato's.
Prove me wrong. 🙂
Also, prove that Tobirama's was on the same level as Minato's FTG tech.
And Tobi's only surpassed Minato's because he didn't have to use hand seals but we really saw who the better user of the Space-Time Ninjutsu was. 🙂
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Good thing Mito can sense shit, and Tobirama can track him just by touching the ground. [/QUOTEAlready beat both of those points.
Mito can sense evil emotions: Minato is not evil.
Tobi is sensing people on the ground...please tell me how he is going to sense a person teleporting (hint, the person is not on the ground when they are teleporting)? Additionally, Minato can do the same thing with ground sensing.
[QUOTE=13758625]Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
If he wants to take on the world, he will be having evil intentions. 313
The world is full of evil people, it will be a righteous crusade. 313
This is especially true if Mito and Tobirama dared oppose Minato: they'd be evil and make themselves marked for death.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Right, if he enters into a Taijutsu-only fight with a likely physically amped Tsunade, fights with lesser caution much like he has been doing as an ET Zombie, and lets her land a blow. Otherwise, nah, he'd destroy her & them if he was being serious.Also, I was referring to your 'like a sir' comment.
1. I know you were referring to that but you suck compared to me trying to do it because I can use that meme like a sir. *toasts wieners with DP)
2. Nope! Madara would have died if he were flesh. Tsunade got the drop on him fair and square. Madara likes to look down on people and monologue: he does it in his flashbacks, too. He's not like Raikage who would lay down the smack and ask questions later (see his reaction to finding out Sasuke was at the Kage summit).
3. Madara has proven multiple times, now, that he's not letting people land blows. He almost got sealed due to how fast they are fighting.
Based on showings, here's how I would rate Madara:
Ninjutsu: 5
Taijutsu: 4.5
Genjutsu: 5
Intelligence: 4.5
Strength: 4
Speed: 4 - 4.5
Stamina: 5
Hand Seals*: 3-5
*We don't know how good his hand seal abilities are but we can assume at least a 3 for pretty much any kage level character.
Originally posted by NemeBro
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/562/14
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/562/15
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563Nowhere in any of these three scans do we see any damage to Madara's Edo Tensei body. Your speculation that it was a death killing blow is exactly that: Speculation, that you can't prove.
Beyond that, we see that Madara's guard is up, blocking it.
No where in those scans can you prove that Madara could have tanked that blow with a flesh body. Your speculation that his flesh body could have tanked that blow is just that: speculation that you can't prove.
I, on the other hand, can prove my position: Jiraiya almost died from Tsunade punching him for peeking on her in the hot springs: death-killing blow.
Game-set-match: do you like my balls clean and shaved or prickly and salty?
Originally posted by NemeBro
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/2
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/3
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/4
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/5
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/8
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/9
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/10
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/12
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/13Notice that at no point was Madara visibly injured. Especially take note of A's punch, though it broke Susano'o, it didn't come close to hitting Madara himself.
And you're showing me this because????
Originally posted by NemeBro
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575/2
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575/3
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575/4
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575/5Wow, creating a forest at will and then smacking all five Kages around with his Susano'o! How weak of him!
And you're showing me this because????
OH! I see....
K, find in any of my posts where I said "Madara is weak".
Originally posted by NemeBro
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575/10
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575/11
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575/12
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/576/13Now we get to the first and only time Madara is hurt in the fight. Madara gets caught in Onoki's blast, which causes some superficial damage to his shoulder, but mostly his armour that we can see. Fact of the matter is, the number of non-Biju characters who could tank Onoki's attacks could be counted on one hand, so this is not a bad showing at all.
You're in "blind raging fanboy" mode, right now.
Onoki destroy half of Madara's torso and what you are seeing is Madara almost being completely healed up by the time we see him again.
Originally posted by NemeBro
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/577/3Hey look! It's Tsunade's fist not connecting with Madara! I guess he wouldn't have died even without ET after all.
Way to ignore my points, champ. You have TOTALLY convinced me of your point I was never arguing against. *slow claps*
Originally posted by NemeBro
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/577/4
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/577/5
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/577/6While the Susano'o was broken, Madara was, in fact, uninjured.
Oh shit! Susano'o brokted. Where's your god, now, my boy?
Originally posted by NemeBro
I don't think I need to post how this chapter ends. Tsunade hits a Mokuton clone, and Madara then pwns her.
Actually, I think you should post how the chapter ends: it will further cement how much you didn't actually counter anything I've stated but have instead gone off on tangents (this is a form of strawman, by the way) that do nothing at all to disprove what I've posted.
Originally posted by NemeBro
The asteroid case is irrelevant. Clearly he would not have used it with a real body from that close up.
The asteroid point is spot-on for how Madara is fighting: he is making risks that he literally could not take in a flesh body.
"He'd clearly not use it in a real body from that close up"
Derp!
Of course he wouldn't. And since he does not have a space-time jutsu a la Tobirama or Minato, he kind of has a useless tech UNLESS he's in a ET body. Sure, he could deploy it from a distance against a city, but how is that supposed to help him in his fight against the 5 kages where they got the drop on him? 🙂
1337!!!!1!111!!!
Now, you could have made a better point here by claiming that he would "create a clone, fight the enemy until he could get far enough away to deploy it", but you're too focused on yours boners for Madara to think about making those statements. 313
Originally posted by NemeBro
Would you perhaps like a mouth gag, to stifle your insipid whining from the ass pounding I am giving you?
No thanks: you'd actually have to make relevant points and then counter my points to earn that right. 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemon
No where in those scans can you prove that Madara could have tanked that blow with a flesh body. Your speculation that his flesh body could have tanked that blow is just that: speculation that you can't prove.I, on the other hand, can prove my position: Jiraiya almost died from Tsunade punching him for peeking on her in the hot springs: death-killing blow.
Game-set-match: do you like my balls clean and shaved or prickly and salty?
So Jiraiya almost dying from a beatdown (Not a single punch, a beatdown) from Tsunade when he was a kid proves that that one kick would have killed Madara?
You have a funny sort of logic.
Can you prove that Edo Tensei makes them more durable (I mean that as in ability to take damage without being harmed, not ability to repair any damage)?
And you're showing me this because????
You claimed that at three points Madara got his ass kicked and would have died were it not for ET. I am showing times their attacks failed to injure him.
Use a little bit of deductive reasoning baby.
And you're showing me this because????OH! I see....
K, find in any of my posts where I said "Madara is weak".
Did you explicitly state it? No. But what you are doing is saying that Madara is weaker than what I personally believe him to be, and as such I am arguing otherwise.
Use a little bit of deductive reasoning baby.
You're in "blind raging fanboy" mode, right now.Onoki destroy half of Madara's torso and what you are seeing is Madara almost being completely healed up by the time we see him again.
I am way too tired to be angry about anything, actually.
Half of Madara's torso? We see a tear on his shoulder, and the cracks that accompany an ET zombie even without injury, nothing signifigant. Certainly not half his whole torso missing.
This point is also entirely irrelevant. Who could actually take a hit from Onoki and not shrug it off who doesn't have a Biju? The Third Raikage? Maybe A? Tsunade depending on where it hits? The list is short.
Way to ignore my points, champ. You have TOTALLY convinced me of your point I was never arguing against. *slow claps*
Perhaps you should better construct your posts so that alleged misunderstandings like this would not occur?
And no. You yourself said that the Kages attacking him would have killed him three times were it not for his ET body.
Point those times out.
Oh shit! Susano'o brokted. Where's your god, now, my boy?
Nowhere did I say "Madara's Susano'o is completely indestructible", so I am unsure what your point is.
Madara himself is uninjured.
Actually, I think you should post how the chapter ends: it will further cement how much you didn't actually counter anything I've stated but have instead gone off on tangents (this is a form of strawman, by the way) that do nothing at all to disprove what I've posted.
Pointless fluff that didn't address anything. Or rather, you attempt to say I am "wrong" and that I should have done something, but you did not actually make a point or elaborate on why the end of the chapter should be posted or how it hurts my stance.
Aka, no, I'm not posting shit.
The asteroid point is spot-on for how Madara is fighting: he is making risks that he literally could not take in a flesh body.
"He'd clearly not use it in a real body from that close up"
Derp![/quote]
Irrelevant to anything.
Of course he wouldn't. And since he does not have a space-time jutsu a la Tobirama or Minato, he kind of has a useless tech UNLESS he's in a ET body. Sure, he could deploy it from a distance against a city, but how is that supposed to help him in his fight against the 5 kages where they got the drop on him? 🙂1337!!!!1!111!!!
Wow, you mean he has a technique that would be better for destroying villages or armies from a distance rather than up close? Wow how useless!
Of course I realise you are speaking in terms of a close-range fight, but that is ignoring that he doesn't just have big techniques useless with a real body shown in this fight. His Susano'o alone was doing well.
You also seem to be implying that Madara not just outright pwning five Kage somehow makes him seem weaker in a one on one fight... Ignoring that this battle is five on one, with the five being Kages. We have never seen any other character fight five Kages at once before, much less be winning against them, much less only taking one injury from them. The only other character rivaling or exceeding that prestige is current Naruto, who yeah is better than Madara sans Mokuton at least, and even he is having help with Tobi and his pet Biju.
Now, you could have made a better point here by claiming that he would "create a clone, fight the enemy until he could get far enough away to deploy it", but you're too focused on yours boners for Madara to think about making those statements. 313
Why? It is going into the realm of the hypothetical, and while plausible, it is irrelevant to the main gist of my argument, which is:
1. Based on current showings Madara is not as weak in combat with solitary opponents as you believe.
and
2. That Madara wasn't so much as injured by any of the Kage except once.
No thanks: you'd actually have to make relevant points and then counter my points to earn that right. 🙂
Stop stalling and backtracking in an attempt to save face.
Anyway, I am heading to bed. If you actually respond to me properly this time, I might actually grace you with another response tomorrow.
Originally posted by NemeBro
So Jiraiya almost dying from a beatdown (Not a single punch, a beatdown) from Tsunade when he was a kid proves that that one kick would have killed Madara?
Correction: A single punch.
However, be my guest to prove that Tsunade repeatedly beat on Jiraiya to almost kill him.
I'll wait.
Originally posted by NemeBro
You have a funny sort of logic.
So, a mortal form of Madara would survive a power strike from Tsunade, who can swing 450 tonne swords with ease? You have idiotic logic.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Can you prove that Edo Tensei makes them more durable (I mean that as in ability to take damage without being harmed, not ability to repair any damage)?
Well, yeah, that's absurdly easy to prove. The question is pretty stupid.
The better question is this:
Can you prove that a Madara's body is more durable than a mortal body?
Oh, right...that's easy to prove, as well.
Well, guess you didn't think that question through nor did you think about the consequences of your logic.
Originally posted by NemeBro
You claimed that at three points Madara got his ass kicked and would have died were it not for ET. I am showing times their attacks failed to injure him.
I didn't claim anything: Madara got his ass kicked on 3 different occasions: fact. Had his body not been an ET body, he would have died: fact.
And you're showing irrelevant attacks that actually do nothing to apply to my point even in the slightest. And, no, bring up more irrelevent points will not make you point any better.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Use a little bit of deductive reasoning baby.
You obviously do not know what that means because you have yet to use it yourself.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Did you explicitly state it? No.
I accept your concession. Anything else you typed after that is superfluous and more ego-saving on your part. Just watch...
Originally posted by NemeBro
But what you are doing is saying that Madara is weaker than what I personally believe him to be, and as such I am arguing otherwise.
Yeah, figured: more ego-saving on your part.
No, I never said Madara is weaker than you believed him to be. Please show me where I said Madara is weaker than you personally believed him to be.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Use a little bit of deductive reasoning baby.
You obviously do not know what that means because you have yet to use it yourself.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I am way too tired to be angry about anything, actually.
I disagree. U mad.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Half of Madara's torso? We see a tear on his shoulder, and the cracks that accompany an ET zombie even without injury, nothing signifigant. Certainly not half his whole torso missing.
You're wrong. Or are you so tired to miss the part where there is a big gaping hole in Madara's armor clearly indicating that he healed quite a bit an that panel only shows the last little bit of his shoulder healing? The answer, since you're tired: yes, you missed it.
Originally posted by NemeBro
This point is also entirely irrelevant. Who could actually take a hit from Onoki and not shrug it off who doesn't have a Biju? The Third Raikage? Maybe A? Tsunade depending on where it hits? The list is short.
This point is irrelevant because it somehow shows exactly what I was talking about? OH! Thank you! Much obliged, cap'n for telling me that the exact evidence I was referring to, which also directly supports my entire point, is irrelevant! What would I do without you helping me out, bro? [313
By the way...all the rest of you typed after "irrelevent" is actually irrelevant.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Perhaps you should better construct your posts so that alleged misunderstandings like this would not occur?
Nah. You should change the way you think, instead. You're very defensive of your bonerz to the point of making unrelated assumptions.
Originally posted by NemeBro
And no. You yourself said that the Kages attacking him would have killed him three times were it not for his ET body.
Fact: Madara would have died 3 times if it weren't for his ET body.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Point those times out.
Already been done except for the 3rd one which is quite obvious on which one it is.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Nowhere did I say "Madara's Susano'o is completely indestructible", so I am unsure what your point is.
The point is obvious: Susano'o can be broken so stop parading it around like it is the ultimate defense. 🙂
"But I wasn't doing that."
Then explain why you then following up, apologetically, how Madara was uninjured even though his Susano'o was broken?
It's like this, "Man...Susano'o is badass....and even if they can break it, Madara will still be uninjured."
Here, have a beef derpy.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Pointless fluff that didn't address anything. Or rather, you attempt to say I am "wrong" and that I should have done something, but you did not actually make a point or elaborate on why the end of the chapter should be posted or how it hurts my stance.Aka, no, I'm not posting shit.
Wait...wait...you can't call that section of my post "pointless fluff" when that's the exact point I was making about you.
This is what you did:
Me: You're a towel.
You: No you're a towel.
Me: ???
Originally posted by NemeBro
Irrelevant to anything.
Relevant to everything. It proves my point that he would be dead, already, if he were real if the same events unfolded.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Wow, you mean he has a technique that would be better for destroying villages or armies from a distance rather than up close? Wow how useless!
Good job: you missed the point.
Here, I'll spell it out for you:
Scenario: Madara is fighting the 5 kages.
Restrictions: Madara is flesh and blood.
Result: Madara would have died no less than 4 times if the restriction is applied.
Conclusion: Madara is not this invincible badass as everyone is making him out to be.
Your conclusion: ZOMG! like...you're totally saying Madara is WEAK, mang! bwhahahah, derpy doo!
The actual point of that section in my post that you missed: Madara would have died had he employed those asteroids like he did against Onoki and Gaara.
Your conclusion: ZOMG! like...you're totally saying one of his techs is not useful! bwhahahah derpy derp.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Of course I realise you are speaking in terms of a close-range fight, but that is ignoring that he doesn't just have big techniques useless with a real body shown in this fight. His Susano'o alone was doing well.
1. You already knew the context of the conversation, so why delve off into derp moments like you did above?
2. You already knew the events in the manga so why did you delve into derp moments like you did above?
3. With a real body, that "big technique" would have killed him: that's the point and always has been the point. In vs. combat, his big technique is fail unless he puts a huge amount of distance between him and his opponent.
4. Question: Why hasn't he called down another asteroid? 🙂
Originally posted by NemeBro
You also seem to be implying that Madara not just outright pwning five Kage somehow makes him seem weaker in a one on one fight... Ignoring that this battle is five on one, with the five being Kages. We have never seen any other character fight five Kages at once before, much less be winning against them, much less only taking one injury from them. The only other character rivaling or exceeding that prestige is current Naruto, who yeah is better than Madara sans Mokuton at least, and even he is having help with Tobi and his pet Biju.
That's not correct. Madara would have died 4 times in a flesh and blood body in this same fight. The fight is so difficult for the 5 kage because they cannot kill him. He was body slammed by Gaara before the 5 kage were around....no problem: he can shrug that off because his body is immortal.
And, I would argue that Naruto is better than Madara including his wood techs. Now that Naruto knows Madara can use Rinnegan, he can fight differently.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Why? It is going into the realm of the hypothetical, and while plausible, it is irrelevant to the main gist of my argument, which is:1. Based on current showings Madara is not as weak in combat with solitary opponents as you believe.
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2. That Madara wasn't so much as injured by any of the Kage except once.
1. Based on showings, Madara is not as strong as WE thought him to be in 1 v 1 combat.
2. Madara experienced death scenarios no less than 3 times since the fight started. If he were a real body, he would have died.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Stop stalling and backtracking in an attempt to save face.
Woah woah woah....that has been you the entire time. I have cleanly and swiftly showed how much of a blind fanboy you are and how big your unwarranted boner for Madara is.
The only one backtracking and dodging is you: almost your entire last post was completely irrelevant to our conversation.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Anyway, I am heading to bed. If you actually respond to me properly this time, I might actually grace you with another response tomorrow.
Here's the deal: your argument failed from the beginning. There only thing that can change is your perspective, not mine. This isn't a subjective argument like...say...Q99's and mine where I thought Konan's prep shouldn't count towards giving her an S-Class.
This is simply you ignoring 3 times where Madara would have died had he been in a flesh and blood form. This evidence is right on panel for you to see. What's hilarious (or sad) is you are ignoring what is clearly on panel and you still refuse it.
So this will get no where until you admit that Madara would have died 3 times if he were a flesh and blood body.
Here's the ONLY relevant and applicable argument you can make against that: Madara would have employed a different approach to the situation if he were flesh and blood.
IF you were making that argument, I would agree. Though baseless, I could agree that Madara would be more defensive and cautious in his approach to the Kage if he had a mortal body. He doesn't so he won't and he is getting lulz from it.
This is why you fail, my boy: you get too focused and tunnel-minded that you don't see that I am quite reasonable if you think just a tad outside your box.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/562/14
Madara gets kicked. Look at him when he lands. He shows no sign of the ET Regen. So we can only conclude that he blocked the attack and would survive normally.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/3
Madara gets punched and again blocks the attack. And once again no signs of ET Regen.
Onoki did nick Madara but I rather doubt it was more than a nick. Remember, grievous wounds to the chest and such will still stop Edo Tensei guys for a bit. Like
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/558
Him. If Onoki really had blasted through Madara's chest and armor, Madara would have been downed for a lot longer than he was. Instead we see him walking and moving just fine.
The Onoki incident is the only one where Madara was legitimately injured to the point where he needed Regen. The meteor would obviously not count because Madara would not use it the way he did without Regen.
So yeah, keep in mind Madara doesn't really give a crap about this fight.