The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by NemeBro
Who has been alive to see every Hokage and has fought one of the ones you mentioned.

That is basically all I needed.

No, that's not all you needed. You need far more than that.

Tobi is parading around as Madara and they very well could be the same person. Minato handed Tobi his ass even when Tobi had Kurama under his control. He was such a threat to Tobi's (and supposedly Madara's plans, that Tobi said he would have to take care of Minato to prevent shit from ruining his plans in the future...bam...). This is why I include Tobi with Madara because we do not know how separate those two really are. The only others were Oro and Kabuto but their association has been known for ages. The only person truly having a boner for Hashirama is actually Madara: that's it. Not even Tobi respects/reveres Hashirama the same as Madara...nay, not even Oro.

Also, I never stated that ONLY Madara was bating over Hashirama. 🙂

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
We do? e.e

Yeah...the only way Madara could have lived against Hashirama is if Hashirama let him live.

🙂

Originally posted by Nephthys
With prep Onoki can drop islands on people. 😎

Good point. Bringing it back to why Minato is the best 1 v 1 (especially with prep)...

How is that supposed to work against Minato when he can port away to anywhere with prep forcing Onoki to waste a shit ton of Chakra while Minato enjoys a Pinacolada in the tropics?

😄

This is why prep should be thrown out, imo...especially with characters like Shika, Minato, and Onoki.

Just raw, unprepared, measured "overall" ability. Sandaime Raikage is one of the best. He can last for days (yes, homo) in full-on combat and the only way to take him down is by having him stab himself. He's too strong for shadow bind...so I guess the only thing left that would work on him is genjutsu? But...yeah...surely he would be immune to any eye techs due to knowing to avoid them? Chiyo did...

I am thinking and pausing a lot, lately...

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah...the only way Madara could have lived against Hashirama is if Hashirama let him live.

🙂

Or Hashirama though he killed Madara but he survived. Or other things. Dude stabbed Madara with a crap ton of weapons. Don't think he meant to leave him alive.

But we don't really know much about the fight.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is true. And Madara is NOT aware of the power that Hiruzen or Minato had. Madara's boner for Hashirama may not be as large had be been around to witness what very powerful hokages were like...

Hashirama's being played up to be significantly more powerful than any other Kage. And he had a fairly awesome face and hair. So Madara's Boner is justified.

Your boner for Minato on the other hand, is not. uhuh

Originally posted by dadudemon
But that's with lots and lots of prep.

With Prep, Minato could place a kunai in very strategic places...as well as seals on everything. Then store some chakra up at strategic locations for "collection" later. He could then take on the entire world or do something drastic. That's with prep. That's not something Kabuto or Oro could do, imo.

So...I'm saying that "with prep" should not be included. It took years to collect all that DNA for the Edo bodies.

Strategic placement of Kunais is something Minato would likely do. Storing up chakra for collection isn't.

Also, Kabuto/Oro/Tobirama could just have Mito undo Minato's FTG seals, and Tobirama himself is experienced with S/T jutsu. kruemelmonsteryn0

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Strategic placement of Kunais is something Minato would likely do. Storing up chakra for collection isn't.

Prove it.

Because he certainly had the idea to store some chakra in Naruto (no homo) for future use.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Also, Kabuto/Oro/Tobirama could just have Mito undo Minato's FTG seals, and Tobirama himself is experienced with S/T jutsu. kruemelmonsteryn0

I don't understand what point you're actually making here: it is going right over my head because I see no advantage to an inexperienced user that does not compare to the natural reflexes and speed of the fastest shinobi, ever. Don't forget that Minato also has the speed to go with his FTG Tech.

It would be like giving an infant a handgun. Sure, they might be able to fire it but it won't do much good compared to the Navy Seal using the same gun.

We should now toast our wieners like a glass of champagne at an upper-class party. I'll put on my monocle: brb.

*cheers*

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, that's not all you needed. You need far more than that.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Prove it.

Because he certainly had the idea to store some chakra in Naruto (no homo) for future use.

An idea which came about after he fought Tobi and had his chat with Kushina.

Chakra in a living being that would be used for a sealing which he did not demonstrate the ability to retrieve. Prove that Minato would store chakra for future use in various random places that were not seals on people.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't understand what point you're actually making here: it is going right over my head because I see no advantage to an inexperienced user that does not compare to the natural reflexes and speed of the fastest shinobi, ever. Don't forget that Minato also has the speed to go with his FTG Tech.

It would be like giving an infant a handgun. Sure, they might be able to fire it but it won't do much good compared to the Navy Seal using the same gun.

We should now toast our wieners like a glass of champagne at an upper-class party. I'll put on my monocle: brb.

*cheers*

It's simple. Mito or any ninja with an incredible mastery of seals on her level is revived. Mito/Great master with the help of Tobirama's experience with S/T jutsu, removes seals placed by Minato.

You're not cool enough to pull off a Monocle. sneer

Originally posted by NemeBro
Who has been alive to see every Hokage and has fought one of the ones you mentioned.

That is basically all I needed.

You do know that the reason Madara is still alive is due to the fact that he's reanimated by the Edo tensei technique, right? The fact that Ōnoki blasted him apart, and Tsunade destroyed his chest with a punch, illustrates that he's not as far beyond them as he may believe.

Here's my list.

[list=1]
[*]Hiruzen Sarutobi, the third Hokage
[*]Hashirami Senju, the first Hokage
[*]Minato Namikaze, the fourth Hokage
[*]The second Mizukage
[*]Mū, the second Tsuchikage
[*]The third Raikage
[*]A, the fourth Raikage
[*]Tsunade, the fifth Hokage
[*]Ōnoki, the second Tsuchikage
[*]Mei Terumī, the fifth Mizukage
[/list]

I'd like to add the second Hokage. But I've not seen enough of him, and his most impressive technique was advanced by Orochimaru, and mastered by Kabuto, so he doesn't make the list. I'd put Danzō on the list as well, but he was overpowered by Sasuke, and from what we've seen, the kage fighting Madara at the moment do a lot better against a tougher opponent.

Now to the list.

Hiruzen was stated to be the strongest, plus he took out the first-, and the second Hokage in their prime -- according to Orochimaru -- as well as crippling Orochimaru while weakened by age.

Hashirama takes #2, mainly due to the hype by Madara. But also the fact that he managed to drive back Madara as well as the demon fox.

Minato forced Tobi to a retreat and managed to seal the fox. But at the cost of his own life. So, #3.

The second Mizukage, I'm actually unsure about his placement. But he thought of himself as the strongest in the resurrected lot, so I'll give #4 to him.

Mū was a bit easily defeated, but in the end it took Naruto and Ōnoki. Even so he managed to escape. On top of that, his techniques are overpowered. So he's #5.

The third Raikage is #6. While all around balanced was the first to be taken out. Even so he apparently stood his own against eight-tails.

The rest are judged on how I perceive they've fared against Madara so far.

Onoki taking the brunt of Madara's meteor and destroying the forest that downed his fellow Kage sure did show us that he is weaker than Tsunade.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
An idea which came about after he fought Tobi and had his chat with Kushina.

Chakra in a living being that would be used for a sealing which he did not demonstrate the ability to retrieve. Prove that Minato would store chakra for future use in various random places that were not seals on people.

That doesn't matter. He possess the ability to store chakra for later use. If he is allowed prep against a shit ton of people, that means he is aware of their abilities.

If I can think of a super awesome way for Minato to fight a whole bunch of people all over the world, at once, with prep, Minato could think of even better ways because he's even more of a genius than I am.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Minato's speed is irrelevant to what we are discussing.

Since you were using it in a direct comparison (and do, below), it matters directly. Since you're also using it to show that Minato can be matched with the same tech, it still matters directly.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
It's simple. Mito or any ninja with an incredible mastery of seals on her level is revived. Mito/Great master with the help of Tobirama's experience with S/T jutsu, removes seals placed by Minato.

I agree that a Mito-Tobirama duo would be able to remove the seals...but....how are they going to find any of them?

AHA!

You need to make me a sammich.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You're not cool enough to pull off a Monocle. sneer

Woah woah woah.......woah....

woah

This means we still get to toast wieners. pained

Originally posted by Astner
You do know that the reason Madara is still alive is due to the fact that he's reanimated by the Edo tensei technique, right? The fact that Ōnoki blasted him apart, and Tsunade destroyed his chest with a punch, illustrates that he's not as far beyond them as he may believe.

Excellent point, good sir.

You make a beautiful point. Tsunade could ALMOST take on a non-Hashirama fused form by herself.

Madara is all talk and fluff. Sure, he can bust out huge techs and he has a sh*t ton of chakra....but he's not the badass we first saw when pitted against kage level characters. He can thank his Edo body for his ability to remain in this fight against the kages.

And, yes, I am going to start spamming the shit out of the "like a sir" image because everyone has stolen my "estahuh" modus operandi.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That doesn't matter. He possess the ability to store chakra for later use. If he is allowed prep against a shit ton of people, that means he is aware of their abilities.

If I can think of a super awesome way for Minato to fight a whole bunch of people all over the world, at once, with prep, Minato could think of even better ways because he's even more of a genius than I am.

Nope, he doesn't. He possesses the ability to seal chakra into a person for later use in a specific setting.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Since you were using it in a direct comparison (and do, below), it matters directly. Since you're also using it to show that Minato can be matched with the same tech, it still matters directly.

How would Minato's speed matter when they are prepping? 😐

Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree that a Mito-Tobirama duo would be able to remove the seals...but....how are they going to find any of them?

AHA!

You need to make me a sammich.

One's a sealing master who can sense evil intentions, the other's a S/T master who can likely track a Minato who wants to fight the world. That's how they find them. peaches

Originally posted by dadudemon
You make a beautiful point. Tsunade could ALMOST take on a non-Hashirama fused form by herself.

Madara is all talk and fluff. Sure, he can bust out huge techs and he has a sh*t ton of chakra....but he's not the badass we first saw when pitted against kage level characters. He can thank his Edo body for his ability to remain in this fight against the kages.

And, yes, I am going to start spamming the shit out of the "like a sir" image because everyone has stolen my "estahuh" modus operandi.

Don't know if this is a good time to say it but whatever happened to Hashirama's secret scroll of fun that nobody was supposed to use. I mean if it could hold the secret to Naruto unwittingly releasing the Kyuubi, then surely it would have some importance right?

Also I wonder what S/T justsu Tobirama had exactly. I mean it couldn't have been as good as Minato's if he was killed by the G/S bros.

He was apparently killed by 20 dudes, including the G/S bros.

That's still kind of lame considering his brother's rep. Wonder why nobody bothered to get Mito to help out with any S nin mission that we know of?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Nope, he doesn't. He possesses the ability to seal chakra into a person for later use in a specific setting.

Nope, you're wrong. He has the ability to seal chakra for late use, period. Adding "people" is not necessary to describe what he does. He can use other seals. It is more difficult to seal it inside a person.

I win.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
How would Minato's speed matter when they are prepping? 😐

Everything. Since they will never equal him in speed, they will have no choice but to just give up while prepping.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
One's a sealing master who can sense evil intentions, the other's a S/T master who can likely track a Minato who wants to fight the world. That's how they find them. peaches

No, the second was not a s/t master. That's Minato or Tobi, not Tobirama. And having super seals does not give you the ability to track: that would be chakra sensing.

Minato is not evil so he will not be able to be sensed for evil intentions. Meow.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

Tsunade is strong. Madara is all talk. If he were "alive", he'd be dead by now from fighting the Kages. In fact, that initital strike forced him to have to repair himself when Tsunade came on the scene. So, Madara insta-loses the fight if he's flesh.

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Afternoon Tiger looks cool in the anime. You see it in the first minute.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
That's still kind of lame considering his brother's rep. Wonder why nobody bothered to get Mito to help out with any S nin mission that we know of?

Madara is above all the living Kage in terms of ability lol. Especially with his new shit.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Madara is above all the living Kage in terms of ability lol. Especially with his new shit.

I say no he is not. If he tried that asteroid thing as a flesh being, he would kill himself. He even commented on the tech working because of his ET body.

Like I pointed out...he's all bark but not nearly as useful in a 1 v 1 fight as people like the Raikages and Minato. All bark..man........having uber awesome techs isn't the only way to beat a ninja.

Really? Cause he seemed to have single handily told Onoki and Muu to fawk off in the past without resistance. And he single handidly smacked down all the Kage at once lol.

Madara is treating this fight like a game and is using Mokuton for practice it would seem. He doesn't seem to be very serious about things.