minus his ability to summon 97% of the villains in the manga, a power that can only be stopped by genjutsu, which kabuto negated. that alone is pretty uber, especially when the only guy in the manga that can stop him has to use some ass-pull tech...and kabuto revived him in the first place (and only lost control of him cause of plot)
speaking of plot-no-jutsu, when itachi died shouldn't the crow have simply vanished within naruto's psyche or whatever? it's not like a physical jutsu like say mokuton which actually makes trees that will remain after the caster dies, but the crow was just a dormant genjutsu that didn't even activate.
Fidel Q99strogive the people what they want, now
50/50 vote split now.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
minus his ability to summon 97% of the villains in the manga, a power that can only be stopped by genjutsu, which kabuto negated. that alone is pretty uber, especially when the only guy in the manga that can stop him has to use some ass-pull tech...and kabuto revived him in the first place (and only lost control of him cause of plot)
And this is specifically noted separately in his abilities 🙂
speaking of plot-no-jutsu, when itachi died shouldn't the crow have simply vanished within naruto's psyche or whatever? it's not like a physical jutsu like say mokuton which actually makes trees that will remain after the caster dies, but the crow was just a dormant genjutsu that didn't even activate.
I think it's more like the seal-frog that Naruto ate.
Originally posted by Nephthyswhich is why it's a vastly superior technique; the summoning technique perfected
Yeah, I'm not including Edo Tensei since I don't feel thats representative of his own combat abilities and isn't a typical summon.
Originally posted by Nephthysi personally see no reason to separate it. it's his jutsu
If people feel we should take it into account the obviously he's SS class or something.
Originally posted by Q99but that frog is not tied to anything else but itself, the crow was genjutsu or a summon w/ genjutsu was it not?
I think it's more like the seal-frog that Naruto ate.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
i personally see no reason to separate it. it's his jutsu
It's still in his listing, yea.
The reason it's got a special star is it does override everything else, yet at the same time isn't always available - after all, Orochimaru has Hashirama and Tobirama zombies. That'd put him at SS- at least. Putting him at SS- would be misleading, though.
but that frog is not tied to anything else but itself, the crow was genjutsu or a summon w/ genjutsu was it not?
I think it's a summon with an eye in it, the eye capable of using genjutsu.
Originally posted by NephthysIf Kushina can make it into the S-Class range purely due to "potential" abilities, abilities she's never even really shown, then Kabuto's edo tensei is fair game.
Yeah, I'm not including Edo Tensei since I don't feel thats representative of his own combat abilities and isn't a typical summon. If people feel we should take it into account the obviously he's SS class or something.
Originally posted by Nephthys
If the Raikage is an S rank I don't think Kabuto should be above him yet. Nothing he's currently shown puts him on a seperate level than the upper S rank dudes.
The Raikage would definitely not beat Kabuto, though. Kabuto has shown plenty of speed against his two very fast foes.
Additionally, all of that physical attack prowess, assuming Kabuto is slow enough to be tagged by Raikage, would be null because Kabuto can regen and/or turn to water on a whim. Then there's the chakra drain: he can easily get more chakra in his sage mode. As Q99 (was it her? Or was it Double Penetration that pointed it out? Don't remember) pointed out, the snakes can remain stationary and gather chakra for Kabuto.
I would see someone like Gai and A to be the worst possibly matchup due to them being taijutsu specialists. It's like taking a handgun to a fight with T-1000.
Well, since the argument is 50/50, I say I am the tie breaker since I am leaning more towards SS-, now. 😄
Tomorrow (or the day after), when we read the manga, we will see some more of Kabuto. I do not think we will be able to deny Kabuto his proper power after tomorrow's chapter.
Originally posted by dadudemon
It would only affect the water stuff. He has no less than 2 other methods of regenerating.
That accounts for the other 4 minutes he'd survive. In all seriousness though, I can see Kabuto winning but it's hardly a cakewalk, Raikage can still put him down, the Uchina hadn't been able to do it partly because they want him alive.
Originally posted by Q99
Nephthys, who said he thought all the S+s would beat him ('cept maybe Mizukage).Top of S.
Anyway, to those of you who want him to be S+- be patient! 🙂
I mean, he's still showing off abilities. I give it about a 50/50 change that he'll show something that'll clearly bump him by the end of the fight.
Who cares about what Nephthys thinks? estahuh
Okay.
Yep. It's why I'm okay with him being at the top of S for now.
Originally posted by Bentley
Actually Thunder jutsu would mess up with Kabuto's way of regenerating wouldn't it? He would last about five minutes.
Kabuto's method of liquidizing himself is an altered version of Suigetsu's. So I doubt it.
Originally posted by Bentley
That accounts for the other 4 minutes he'd survive. In all seriousness though, I can see Kabuto winning but it's hardly a cakewalk, Raikage can still put him down, the Uchina hadn't been able to do it partly because they want him alive.
That accounts for the other 4 minutes that Raikage would survive, of course.
I see Kabuto winning and it is a virtual cake-walk. He doesn't have to try very hard as he comfortably wins. Raikage has no way to actually kill Kabuto.
The Uchiha brothers really can't put down Kabuto even with the missing 2 jutsus (sealing sword and amaterasu). The sealing sword might work if Kabuto was a tad slower but I do not see Itachi making a successful strike. Kabuto will also be very aware of Itachi's ability to seal him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Did I say he would?
Yes, you may not be aware but the implicit meaning of the statement you made is, "Kabuto cannot beat anyone in the upper S-rank levels." Were you aware that those ranks are what it means?
Originally posted by dadudemon
The Uchiha brothers really can't put down Kabuto even with the missing 2 jutsus
I want you to repeat that in the same tone after that fight ends.
Can Kabuto really get through Raikage's aura without using his sensorial jutsu? I don't see anything that suggest he can deal damage to him so far.
Originally posted by Bentley
I want you to repeat that in the same tone after that fight ends.Can Kabuto really get through Raikage's aura without using his sensorial jutsu? I don't see anything that suggest he can deal damage to him so far.
If Kabuto is stopped, here, then the series is pretty much over. That isn't going to happen. Something will happen that prevents the brothers from winning.
I see every chance for A to get his ass handed to him by Kabuto. Keep in mind, with sage mode, Kabuto can create shockwaves without touching A.
Originally posted by dadudemon
If Kabuto is stopped, here, then the series is pretty much over. That isn't going to happen. Something will happen that prevents the brothers from winning.I see every chance for A to get his ass handed to him by Kabuto. Keep in mind, with sage mode, Kabuto can create shockwaves without touching A.
How would Kabuto create shockwaves? I mean I doubt he has some weird form of Snake Kumite...unless you were referring to the uber genjutsu of course. Though I will say Kabuto is lacking considerably in the offensive department even with Sage Mode.
I doubt it but A has no real way to permanently hurt Kabuto; I consider A weaker than Orochimaru BTW which makes this all the more confusing.