Drama on my killermovies.com, what has the world come to? Your mental state is heavily dependent on your electrochemical balance, so if you're addicted to caffeine then have a cup of coffee or a glass of Coke.
Now do people consider Snake sage Kabuto to be stronger or weaker than Toad sage Naruto? I wouldn't compare him to Jiraiya since Jiraiya's didn't master the technique. I honestly think that Kabuto is stronger based solely on that he's able to keep both of the Uchiha brothers on the ropes. Then again he isn't affected by their genjutsu.
Originally posted by Astner
Drama on my killermovies.com, what has the world come to? Your mental state is heavily dependent on your electrochemical balance, so if you're addicted to caffeine then have a cup of coffee or a glass of Coke.
Drama?
Where?
Originally posted by Astner
Now do people consider Snake sage Kabuto to be stronger or weaker than Toad sage Naruto? I wouldn't compare him to Jiraiya since Jiraiya's didn't master the technique. I honestly think that Kabuto is stronger based solely on that he's able to keep both of the Uchiha brothers on the ropes. Then again he isn't affected by their genjutsu.
About the same. But he has more jutsus at his disposal so he is more powerful than Sage Mode Naruto.
Originally posted by Q99
Kabuto has more jutsu, but Sage Naruto does have the Rasenshuriken, a really really powerful S-class offense jutsu.Right now I'd say Kabuto has stronger defense, Sage Naruto better stronger.
Sage Naruto is at S, though at the top of that.
I agree with all of the above.
However, I think Kabuto's defenses with his other jutsus SS-.
He is definitely S, with only his sage mode and sage-mode specific techs. That is obvious. Not Naruto S, but S.
If he has a super high level jutsu like the throw-able Rasenshuriken, I would put him right at top of S.
However, he has much more than just one high-level jutsu at his disposal. He also seems to have perfected a way to individually collect chakra for sage mode with out a fusion or remote shadow clones. This means his mastery of Sage Mode could be higher than even Naruto's...from a certain perspective.
Tomorrow...I think you will be convinced to move Kabuto to S+. 313
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Odds are that he'll capture Bee, and resurrect an (incomplete) Juubi as he has some of the Kyuubi's chakra from the Gold and Silver Idiots. That's all that matters to him.The ET bodies did not factor into his plans in the first place until Kabuto willingly joined forces with him a short time ago.
Well I guess that's one alternative. He doesn't really care for the war but he did loose an amble amount of time thanks to Naruto.
The ET bodies did help him test his Rinnegan though.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Isn't sage mode Naruto S+?If not, he should be.
On top of that, Kabuto has many more abilities than just those naruto had in sage mode.
Kabuto also has two different body types: white snake and water form.
he also has on the fly medical ninjutsu.
Sure Kabuto has more jutsu, it's just that none of them seem all that power or at least as powerful as Sage Naruto's
Originally posted by dadudemon
He grew dragon-like spikes on his head and or back. He definitely changed when he went into sage mode. He changed more than Jiraiya did. For me, it is safe to say that Kabuto does not have his sage mode mastered as well as Naruto or Jiraiya.
See it's hard to tell exactly how much Kabuto changed considering he was already mutated in base form. I will agree that his mastery of Sage Mode isn't as good as Jiraiya's.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Was that his most powerful technique?I thought Oro's hydra form was his most powerful. It is supposed to rival the power of a biju, iirc.
Yeah...the hydra was stated by the Zetsu to be Orochimaru's most powerful tech.
Well that's why I want Kabuto to have it. It should not only be better than Orochimaru's at this point but also the ultimate buffer against the Uchiha considering Itachi can't use the Tosuka Blade.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Tomorrow...I think you will be convinced to move Kabuto to S+. 313
It would not surprise me 🙂
Though... here's another idea I'd like to toss out: What about bumping *all three* Sages to S+? I think each of them is rather close in power after all.
Right now they're in S, but they're the very top of S. Even normal Jiraiya is pretty high in S, and Sage mode is better than the super modes of the other sannin.
On the flip side, I think they're pretty weak for S+s, but they're still pretty dangerous.
What say you all? The sages, S or S+?
Originally posted by Q99
It would not surprise me 🙂Though... here's another idea I'd like to toss out: What about bumping *all three* Sages to S+? I think each of them is rather close in power after all.
Right now they're in S, but they're the very top of S. Even normal Jiraiya is pretty high in S, and Sage mode is better than the super modes of the other sannin.
On the flip side, I think they're pretty weak for S+s, but they're still pretty dangerous.
What say you all? The sages, S or S+?
Maybe.
It's hard for me to say.
Before we knew about Jiraiya's sage mode, he had a speed of 4.5. I would say Jiraiya's speed increases to a solid 5 equaling the likes of stage 1 A or first gate Gai.
But, for me, Jiraiya's biggest asset in Sage Mode would be his strength. If we assume Jiraiya has all the same techs as Naruto while in Sage mode EXCEPT the rasenshuriken, he is quite formidable. Jiraiya also has other techs like his defensive hair stuff and hair needles. It is hard for me to place Jiraiya in S+ but his databook stats would indicate that he is S+. Didn't he have the highest overall stats out of anyone in Naruto?
When Kishimoto says that Jiraiya would have been able to defeat Pain had he known Pain's secret, I tend to believe him. Kishimoto would have written a way for him to defeat Pain. So when people say Jiraiya, by feats, could not defeat Pain, I disagree based on a canon statement that Kishimoto obviously intended to be factual. So, yes, we can say that someone like Jiraiya could have defeated Pain if the writer himself would have had time to flesh out that scenario, but it wasn't in the cards.
Based on that, we MIGHT be able to justify a bump for Jiraiya as he would obviously be one up on Kakashi.
Originally posted by Q99
It would not surprise me 🙂Though... here's another idea I'd like to toss out: What about bumping *all three* Sages to S+? I think each of them is rather close in power after all.
Right now they're in S, but they're the very top of S. Even normal Jiraiya is pretty high in S, and Sage mode is better than the super modes of the other sannin.
On the flip side, I think they're pretty weak for S+s, but they're still pretty dangerous.
What say you all? The sages, S or S+?
Against bumping the Sages as they don't seem to be S+ material to me. Deva was more or less a match for SM Naruto as well.
Then again, SM Naruto/Jiraiya do have the Elder Toads as backup. mmm
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelSpoiler:
More flashback! But some interesting twists in it. I think I can see where things are headed...I think. Hopefully it will end next week. We ARE in the middle of a fight after all and as much as I'd like hearing about Kabuto's past, I'd still like to eventually get Izanami out of the way.
Spoiler:
Orochimaru worked with Danzo, apparently even as a member of Root back when he was in Konoha. Not exactly shocking.And poor chibi-Kabuto, he had a hard time.
Originally posted by dadudemon
K, so wait...someone needs to enlighten me....Was oro pretending to the Walking Maiden or what? I DON'T GET THIS CONFUSION CHAPTER!
Spoiler:
Oro didn't really do much sneaky this chapter, though he may have suggested to Danzo to get an orphan from the orphanarium for root.Then he came out of a pond to talk with Kabuto, because he's dramatic like that!
Originally posted by dadudemon
K, so wait...someone needs to enlighten me....Was oro pretending to the Walking Maiden or what? I DON'T GET THIS CONFUSION CHAPTER!
Spoiler:
Guessing Danzou or Oro wiped her memories. After which he decided to one-up Jiraiya and appear out of pond by himself instead of using a Toad.