Originally posted by BloodRain
Oro could compete with 4 tailed Naruto and Pain could sorta face 6 tailed Naruto. And how Akatsuki members could take down 1-7 tails, one on one iirc.
Akutski faced them in two man teams as I recall. Oro did very little to the 4 tails and that is a far cry from a fully realized Bijuu. Same with Pain, and he too was overwhelmed. And he was more powerful than most ninja in the series.
Sometimes. Like Kisame only have a tough time against the 6(?) tails, we know where he stands compared to the others. Well Oro wasnt in his prime then, Pain as he didnt get totally obliterated. And we have characters that are above those two.
Jinchuuriki are stronger than the a Bijuu at the same tail level that I recall.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Sometimes. Like Kisame only have a tough time against the 6(?) tails, we know where he stands compared to the others. Well Oro wasnt in his prime then, Pain as he didnt get totally obliterated. And we have characters that are above those two.Jinchuuriki are stronger than the a Bijuu at the same tail level that I recall.
If they have full control, which in the oro fight was not the case. We have never seen Oro in his prime as he has been in a rejecting body everytime he has fought so it's tough to say. Kisame is said to be able to stand up to a bijuu based on his chakra reserves but he also has the chakra sucking sword. So he too has some special tool that helps. Pain didn't get obliterated but he also didn't do much to the 6 tails and would have been killed had the fight continued
Originally posted by socool8520
If they have full control, which in the oro fight was not the case. We have never seen Oro in his prime as he has been in a rejecting body everytime he has fought so it's tough to say. Kisame is said to be able to stand up to a bijuu based on his chakra reserves but he also has the chakra sucking sword. So he too has some special tool that helps. Pain didn't get obliterated but he also didn't do much to the 6 tails and would have been killed had the fight continued
Yes, this.
Kisame is an Anti-Biju/Jinchuriki specialist. Not only can his sword soak up chakra, so can he. Remember, he sucked up chakra when jumping out of that training cave (lol). Didn't he do that to Gai?
Kisame is the best at fighting jinchuriki and biju. Add in his already A+ to S class levels of fighting abilities and he's simply a beast (pun intended).
It is also retarded that we have never seen a fully healthy/prime Oro. The closet we got was against Hiruzen.
Okay, I am off of my soap-box.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, this.Kisame is an Anti-Biju/Jinchuriki specialist. Not only can his sword soak up chakra, so can he. Remember, he sucked up chakra when jumping out of that training cave (lol). Didn't he do that to Gai?
Kisame is the best at fighting jinchuriki and biju. Add in his already A+ to S class levels of fighting abilities and he's simply a beast (pun intended).
It is also retarded that we have never seen a fully healthy/prime Oro. The closet we got was against Hiruzen.
Okay, I am off of my soap-box.
I honestly forgot about Kisame being able to that. Although it is probably much more difficult for him to do it then Sameheda. It still furthers my case as the only person I know of to handle a bijuu solo without some crazy bloodline is the third raikage and maybe Minato.
Honestly I just think Oro was written poorly. For someone who is supposed to be comparable to Hiruzen in the varied jutsus he knows, he sure didn't use too many offensive ones. He could have been much better than he was written. Plus, he was having problems with his host bodies.
Originally posted by socool8520
Or he was so kick ass, that he didn't need some lame ass family blood line to be the greatest ninja eva. Plus, he clearly would have made his siblings look bad considering how much better he is than Tsunade.
Nah, he was weak-sauce as a kid.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Sometimes. Like Kisame only have a tough time against the 6(?) tails, we know where he stands compared to the others. Well Oro wasnt in his prime then, Pain as he didnt get totally obliterated. And we have characters that are above those two.Jinchuuriki are stronger than the a Bijuu at the same tail level that I recall.
Kisame actually didn't have a tough time against the 4 tails. His cloak didn't even get burnt. Roshi (4 Tails Jin) is pretty damn strong too, so its a good feat for Kisame, who is the best in Akatsuki at capturing people.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixHow do you figure? Nothing ever states that he was weak as a child.
Nah, he was weak-sauce as a kid.
Kisame actually didn't have a tough time against the 4 tails. His cloak didn't even get burnt. Roshi (4 Tails Jin) is pretty damn strong too, so its a good feat for Kisame, who is the best in Akatsuki at capturing people.
Originally posted by Astner
So does Izanami trump Kotoamatsukami? Because the cost is higher, ten years of an inability to use the jutsu versus permanently losing the eye.On top of that the kotoamatsukami were the progenitor of the deities -- kami -- in Shinto. You won't get higher up than that in the hierarchy of power in the Shinto mythology.
You are saying that kotoamatsukami is better right? If you are then I agree. The cost is to great for Izanami to be practical in most situations. At least the prior allows you to still use the susan'o and such
Originally posted by socool8520
How do you figure? Nothing ever states that he was weak as a child.I don't remember him saying it was easy either. But yeah, his skillset is perfect for capturing bijuu, however I doubt he is pulling that off against Kurama though.
Nothing states he was the greatest ninja eva either, but I was jesting.
He merely said he was tired iirc.
Originally posted by socool8520Not unless one has Hashirama's chakra
You are saying that kotoamatsukami is better right? If you are then I agree. The cost is to great for Izanami to be practical in most situations. At least the prior allows you to still use the susan'o and such
Originally posted by socool8520
I guess, however he has had some ridiculous victories as well. Deidara, Danzou, Oro, and Itachi. The only one I was really impressed with at all was the Deidara fight. Itachi should have destroyed him. Oro would have killed him if he had been healthy. Danzou's over confidence let him be defeated by a simple genjutsu. Other than Bee, who has made look good that shouldn't already been considered good? Bee is a jinchurikii, so he should be viewed as good. A is a hokage, again it should be assumed he is good.
Deidara and Sasuke had one of the best fights in the manga and it was actually a very close and surprisingly intelligent battle, with lots of twists that actually make a lot of sense. The only low point is the ending, which admittedly was Kishi putting himself into a corner and needing to flub the rules to continue.
Itachi didn't want to beat Sasuke. It's made explicitly clear that if Itachi had wanted to, he would have killed Sasuke. Not that Sasuke didn't show an overall decent display of skill in that fight. He was just fighting a battle he could not really lose.
The fight with Orochimaru is one of the most unintentionally awesome moments in the manga. Sasuke was completely in the right to attack Orochimaru when he was at his weakest. Why give him a shot at actually winning? The fight itself happened offscreen though, which sucked.
The Danzo fight is also one of my favorite fights. The fact that Danzo was defeated by his own overconfidence is not a detriment to the fight. Sasuke knew he was overconfident and played on that fact.
Whether we can simply conclude that they were probably strong or not is irrelevant. This is a Shonen manga after all. The best way to show that someone is strong is to have them fight. Sure, you can look at A and figure that he is strong. But him beating the crap out of Sasuke drives home the fact far better.
Originally posted by socool8520
Ahhh..but it has been alluded by people that he is the greatest, besides you know, Naruto now. lolon the second point, I see what you are saying, but really, how many people have both Uchiha and Senju blood? the only person spamming these techniques would be madara.
Yeah, not really.
Exactly. If one uses Kotoamatsukami, and they don't have Hashirama's chakra, they lose the ability to use that eye's MS itself. So no Susano'o.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, this.Kisame is an Anti-Biju/Jinchuriki specialist. Not only can his sword soak up chakra, so can he. Remember, he sucked up chakra when jumping out of that training cave (lol). Didn't he do that to Gai?
Aoba, who stuck him with some kunai and tried to use a stun jutsu that involved sending lightning chakra into someone.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Deidara and Sasuke had one of the best fights in the manga and it was actually a very close and surprisingly intelligent battle, with lots of twists that actually make a lot of sense. The only low point is the ending, which admittedly was Kishi putting himself into a corner and needing to flub the rules to continue.
It was okay to the end I agree. My favorite fight personally is the gaara/lee fight in the chunin exams or maybe the Jiraiya/Pain fight.
Itachi didn't want to beat Sasuke. It's made explicitly clear that if Itachi had wanted to, he would have killed Sasuke. Not that Sasuke didn't show an overall decent display of skill in that fight. He was just fighting a battle he could not really lose.
Which is exactly why the win was so ridiculous in the first place. People use this to prove Sasuke's strength when it is clear that Itachi wanted to lose.
The fight with Orochimaru is one of the most unintentionally awesome moments in the manga. Sasuke was completely in the right to attack Orochimaru when he was at his weakest. Why give him a shot at actually winning? The fight itself happened offscreen though, which sucked.
The Danzo fight is also one of my favorite fights. The fact that Danzo was defeated by his own overconfidence is not a detriment to the fight. Sasuke knew he was overconfident and played on that fact.
I guess it's just my personal bias against the sharingan in general that made me not care much for this fight.
Whether we can simply conclude that they were probably strong or not is irrelevant. This is a Shonen manga after all. The best way to show that someone is strong is to have them fight. Sure, you can look at A and figure that he is strong. But him beating the crap out of Sasuke drives home the fact far better.
Okay, but then by your logic, Sasuke is not the only character or even the main character that makes others look strong. Every one does that.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yeah, not really.Exactly. If one uses Kotoamatsukami, and they don't have Hashirama's chakra, they lose the ability to use that eye's MS itself. So no Susano'o.
Yes, really.
All I remember reading about the tech was that you can't use the tech again for ten years, not the eye. But I guess I'll read it again.
Originally posted by socool8520
Yes, really.All I remember reading about the tech was that you can't use the tech again for ten years, not the eye. But I guess I'll read it again.
Nah, not really.
I posted the scan. That translation says it is the MS Eye you cannot use for another ten years, and this is right after the MS in the crow's eye fades away.
Originally posted by Q99
Raikage suddenly reveals he has the ability to turn 500 feet tall, without losing any speed, and crushes him.
I knew it. A's an Akimichi.