Originally posted by dadudemon
My bet: in researching his thread idea, he ran across an Orochimaru and Tsunade doujinishihsdifljdlsdj (however you spell that...I am at work and I am NOT looking up how to spell that) and is fapping.
Actually, it was a doujinshi involving female faced Orochimaru, Anko, Tsunade & Shizune, with copious amounts of snakey-tentacle goodness. herbwank
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Well I mean, you promised one. ._.
There you go. Try not to get excited. vin
TheAuraAngel
Normally for someone to tag someone else via taijutsu, a blitz is necessary
Gotta disagree here. There's a lot of times when people are tagged in taijutsu with no blitzing involved.
Naruto's tagged Neji. Neji tagged Naruto a lot due to skill rather than speed gap. Naruto and Sasuke both tagged each other plenty in the valley of the end.. Naruto tagged Kiba. Hidan tagged Asuma. Sakura tagged Sasori.
In order to strike someone in taijutsu, as long as the gap isn't too huge you can be definitely slower than someone.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
why not, unless you're trying to tell me she learned that technique post pein invasion (aka kishi made it up after to hype hashirama and thus madara)plot also prevented her from displaying it, too
Well that is what I'm talking about..sort of. If Tsunade keeps doing good like this then there should be at least som explanation why she couldn't do this previously.
So should we call this Genesis Rebirth V2? Cause this is that longest at any given time she's had her uber regen activated.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Well that is what I'm talking about..sort of. If Tsunade keeps doing good like this then there should be at least som explanation why she couldn't do this previously.
Well, she couldn't against Pain because she used up her seal entirely protecting everyone from his giant crush.
And against Orochimaru, due to the fact he had no arms she didn't even need to go this far.
Originally posted by Q99
Gotta disagree here. There's a lot of times when people are tagged in taijutsu with no blitzing involved.Naruto's tagged Neji. Neji tagged Naruto a lot due to skill rather than speed gap. Naruto and Sasuke both tagged each other plenty in the valley of the end.. Naruto tagged Kiba. Hidan tagged Asuma. Sakura tagged Sasori.
In order to strike someone in taijutsu, as long as the gap isn't too huge you can be definitely slower than someone.
Naruto tagged Neji via trickery(Tsunade hasn't shown use of trickery in her style). Neji tagged Naruto because he can see in all directions and Naruto's only means of fighting was getting up close(Tsunade can't see in all directions and Orochimaru is not obligated to get up close). The Valley of the End was basically powerup vs powerup and most spent the time fighting up close(again, Orochimaru is not obligated to stick around up close). Naruto tagged Kiba through trickery and farting in his face on accident. Hidan and Asuma were involved in a mostly taijutsu battle...and Asuma never actually tagged Hidan without Shikamaru holding him. Sakura tagged Sasori by grabbing onto his rope...while he was distracted with trying to kill Chiyo.
True only if they engage in direct taijutsu combat. However, characters like Lee prove that even within a closed area, the faster character can basically be untouchable.
Originally posted by Q99
Well, she couldn't against Pain because she used up her seal entirely protecting everyone from his giant crush.And against Orochimaru, due to the fact he had no arms she didn't even need to go this far.
Well the Orochimaru one makes sense but how come Tsunade couldn't fight Pein before he started to nuke stuff?
She also had a shot to shine when Naruto was being attacked by A but didn't for some reason.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
True only if they engage in direct taijutsu combat. However, characters like Lee prove that even within a closed area, the faster character can basically be untouchable.
Characetrs like Lee, however, are usually much, much faster than the person they are fighting when they are untouchable. When Lee owned Sasuke, he was much faster than him. When he fought Gaara, he was much faster than him. Minato blitzing everyone, he is much faster than them with FTG. Nothing about Oro says that he is much faster than Tsunade. He probably is faster, but not to the degree any of the aforementioned people were.
Actually according to the databook, Lee was faster than Sasuke to the same degree that Orochimaru is faster than Tsunade. Depending on how much stock you put into that.
And then there is the matter of Tsunade having few showings with regard to speed while Orochimaru is pretty easily as fast as Sasuke.
i don't put much stock in the databooks. We know that when Lee owned Sasuke, Sasuke couldn't react to lees movements. how can that be considered as close? Once he got the curse seal and trained with Kakashi, then he was close.
Really, Sasuke hasn't shown to be uber fast himself. He got owned by Bee's speed. He really couldn't keep up with A as I recall. He landed a hit on A, but that was while his back was turned and he was fighting someone else. He greatest speed feat was keeping up with a jobbing Itachi. So being as fast as Sasuke doesn't mean too much. Sasuke isn't the slowest, but I wouldn't say he's top tier or anything.
Well the Orochimaru one makes sense but how come Tsunade couldn't fight Pein before he started to nuke stuff?
Remember that Tsunade was running command & control and healing for the village's forces at the time, there were people contending with 5 other Pain bodies and Konan's paper clone. And Tsunade was also trying to extract information- Tsu likely figured it was going to turn into Hokage vs Heavenly, but when he struck first, she simply didn't expect 'first strike' to be 'city buster'.
She also had a shot to shine when Naruto was being attacked by A but didn't for some reason.
It wasn't really needed, was it? And Naruto did try and keep her out of the fight.
The Valley of the End was basically powerup vs powerup and most spent the time fighting up close(again, Orochimaru is not obligated to stick around up close).
Mostly, but not entirely. He landed some shots before foxing out at all.
True only if they engage in direct taijutsu combat. However, characters like Lee prove that even within a closed area, the faster character can basically be untouchable.
Lee was not just a little faster there, but majorly faster, though.
There was a gap of 2 fulll stat points.
From my observations, I'd peg 1.5 as about the amount of speed gap that can be fought against. At that point someone may have to rely on more of a counter-puncher strategy, but they can still fight. More gap than that is where you get blitzes.
Though even then, some people have at least defended in HtH for a time with bigger speed gaps (Ino-in-Choji vs Asuma).
Actually according to the databook, Lee was faster than Sasuke to the same degree that Orochimaru is faster than Tsunade. Depending on how much stock you put into that.
It's worth noting that Lee did the whole 'rush and attack from below' thing- i.e. a move used to catch Sharingan users off-guard.
Lee was not only faster, but had much much better taijutsu skill. He had .5 speed edge, but 1.0 taijutsu edge.
Tsunade, on the flip side, has much much better taijutsu skill than Orochimaru (who's rated at a mere 3.5 to her 5).
It wouldn't surprise me if the Strength of 100 super mode was increased physical stats either.
Originally posted by socool8520Sasuke is faster than Minato
i don't put much stock in the databooks. We know that when Lee owned Sasuke, Sasuke couldn't react to lees movements. how can that be considered as close? Once he got the curse seal and trained with Kakashi, then he was close.Really, Sasuke hasn't shown to be uber fast himself. He got owned by Bee's speed. He really couldn't keep up with A as I recall. He landed a hit on A, but that was while his back was turned and he was fighting someone else. He greatest speed feat was keeping up with a jobbing Itachi. So being as fast as Sasuke doesn't mean too much. Sasuke isn't the slowest, but I wouldn't say he's top tier or anything.
vin
Seriously though, are you kidding? In the middle of part 1 he was as fast as Lee with his weights off. Part 2 had his speed jump up tremendously.
He got owned by Bee's kenjutsu skills, not his speed. He could keep up with Bee with no problems whatsoever when Bee was cloaked, and Bee had to blind-side him in order to pwn him.
He kept up with A. It's only when A juiced up his armor to its fullest that Sasuke couldn't keep up.
While Sasuke isn't as fast as Minato, or KCM Naruto or A or Itachi or Bee at their top speeds, he's still more than fast enough to be close to the top.
Originally posted by Q99
Remember that Tsunade was running command & control and healing for the village's forces at the time, there were people contending with 5 other Pain bodies and Konan's paper clone. And Tsunade was also trying to extract information- Tsu likely figured it was going to turn into Hokage vs Heavenly, but when he struck first, she simply didn't expect 'first strike' to be 'city buster'.
Originally posted by Q99It wasn't really needed, was it? And Naruto did try and keep her out of the fight.
He recent showings are cool and all but they are also waaaay overdue, is the general point in my argument.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Well what about the whole stand off where she could've decked him or took advantage of the 5 sec limit to do something else. She might not be in the top 10 for speed but she is pretty impressive in her own right. Not saying that she'd win but it would've been nice to see Tsunade do some fighting back then.
Deva didn't use his gravity push during the talk, did he? There wasn't really an opportunity.
Also she was sticking herself to the ground with chakra- I think Tsunade really was planning for a counter punch. "He'll push me, I'll power through and crush him during the 5-second recharge."
That'd probably be the best strategy with her reliance and power.
He recent showings are cool and all but they are also waaaay overdue, is the general point in my argument.
Well, no argument there 🙂
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Sasuke is faster than Minatovin
Seriously though, are you kidding? In the middle of part 1 he was as fast as Lee with his weights off. Part 2 had his speed jump up tremendously.
He got owned by Bee's kenjutsu skills, not his speed. He could keep up with Bee with no problems whatsoever when Bee was cloaked, and Bee had to blind-side him in order to pwn him.
He kept up with A. It's only when A juiced up his armor to its fullest that Sasuke couldn't keep up.While Sasuke isn't as fast as Minato, or KCM Naruto or A or Itachi or Bee at their top speeds, he's still more than fast enough to be close to the top.
I read that before. Don't agree
No, I'm not kidding. You're telling me that when Lee and Sasuke fought before the Chunin exams, Sasuke was comparable in speed to Lee, with his weights off? Considering that he completely punked Sasuke in the speed department with his weights on. If that's comparable, then there really is no speed difference in the entire manga. Did Sasuke catch up? Sure, but at that point he wasn't even close to Lee's speed.
The only time I recall Sasuke hitting A was when he was already running at him, and was pretty close to him, while A had his back turned. he barely had time to turn around due to how close sasuke was to him. Honestly, given some the feats sage mode Naruto has, I don't think sasuke is as fast that.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Sasuke is faster than Minatovin
Again with that shit?
You sunnuva bish! 😠 😠 😠
You're about to make me walk with mah t*ts out.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Seriously though, are you kidding? In the middle of part 1 he was as fast as Lee with his weights off. Part 2 had his speed jump up tremendously.
Wouldn't it be more apt to say that Sasuke was almost as fast as Lee with his weights off, in part 1? I could have sworn that there was other stuff that showed he was getting tired, far faster, than Lee because it takes years of getting into shape to reach Lee's level.
His speed DID jump in part 2, tremendously. I think Neji is fast, too, iirc.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He got owned by Bee's kenjutsu skills, not his speed. He could keep up with Bee with no problems whatsoever when Bee was cloaked, and Bee had to blind-side him in order to pwn him.
I seriously have no idea what you're talking about, here. I read the fight and nothing you said makes sense, here. B was so fast that he virtually ported out but it was due to Sasuke's eyes that he found B.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He kept up with A. It's only when A juiced up his armor to its fullest that Sasuke couldn't keep up.
He never once kept up with A. 😐
See, "keeping up" is moving as fast as someone. Sasuke never did that. Sasuke, at best, was able to react a couple of times. He never kept up with Raikage's speed, however. I would say unamped, Raikage is faster than Sasuke.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
While Sasuke isn't as fast as Minato, or KCM Naruto or A or Itachi or Bee at their top speeds, he's still more than fast enough to be close to the top.
No, not top. I would say he's about Kakashi's speed. He's fast, but he does not get to share the top spots with Naruto, A, B, Minato, Gai, and Lee. Also, meow.
Originally posted by socool8520
I read that before. Don't agreeNo, I'm not kidding. You're telling me that when Lee and Sasuke fought before the Chunin exams, Sasuke was comparable in speed to Lee, with his weights off? Considering that he completely punked Sasuke in the speed department with his weights on. If that's comparable, then there really is no speed difference in the entire manga. Did Sasuke catch up? Sure, but at that point he wasn't even close to Lee's speed.
The only time I recall Sasuke hitting A was when he was already running at him, and was pretty close to him, while A had his back turned. he barely had time to turn around due to how close sasuke was to him. Honestly, given some the feats sage mode Naruto has, I don't think sasuke is as fast that.
Math's math. vin
No, I said that during the Chuunin Exams, Sasuke was every bit as fast as a non-gates Lee. I never mentioned Pre-Chuunin Exam Sasuke.
A never had his back turned towards Sasuke. They were rushing at each other and Sasuke won. A then tried to smash Sasuke after the Liger bomb, and Sasuke still dodged him. A had to max out his shroud and go around a stationary Sasuke who was also aiming at the Samurai, in order to try and tag him.
What speed feats are you talking about that definitively put SM Naruto far above Sasuke? AFAIK, SM Naruto has one great reaction feat against the third Raikage (that is no different from what Sasuke accomplished against A), and he's blitzed a Path. We don't know when he started to move, so it is difficult to quantify that latter one. That's about it.
KCM mode is the point where Naruto is definitely faster than Sasuke.