Originally posted by socool8520
I thought that was part of her reserves. She just stores it all at that point.
She seals in a buncha chakra ahead of time, and it doesn't get tapped unless she activates it.
Separate from her normal high-level-ninja chakra amount.
I think it probably gives Tsunade the higher total amount.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Healing the village took everything Tsunade had. It left her in a coma. Shedding your skin is far more impressive from a battle standpoint.
True, but I'm just saying, her chakra reserves have been shown to be stronger than Oro's. If she is only healing herself, she can obviously do it for quite awhile if she could heal several people at one time that are near death. Odds are, longer than Oro can based off showings.
Originally posted by socool8520
He stabbed her in the chest with it already and she still kept fighting. I don't think the sword is gonna do much. Again, she is fighting with blades in her damn abdomen at a high level.
He can easily stab her with hundreds of those blades.
Or he'll just stab her head. Or he'll stab her abdomen, extend the sword towards the upper atmosphere, and wait for her to suffocate. vin
Alternatively, he'll just give her a Cursed Seal. awesome
Originally posted by socool8520
Tsunade healed almost an entire village. That takes some crazy chakra. Not to mention she is fighting with blades coming out of her body. She also survived the teleportation tech with her regen. what has Orochimaru shown that compares with her chakra reserves?
Healed some of the people in Konoha, and collapsed immediately afterwards. Orochimaru had more than enough chakra to use the same tech that drained Sasuke of his own chakra reserves, thrice. He also summoned 3 huge gates, and used multiple other snake techs. After the fight, he looked like he still had more than enough chakra to continue. With the seal factored in, Tsunade may have more chakra to use, but it ultimately does not matter.
Orochimaru is supposed to be stronger than Jiraiya, and while screwing around, he held his own against 4 Tailed Naruto, only stopping the fight because his body had started to reject him.
What has Tsunade shown that compares with Orochimaru's combat prowess, and what has she shown that could put down Orochimaru when he's already tanked her primary form of attacking and stopped a Bijuu Ball?
Originally posted by Q99
I mean, if you think about it, the difference is- It's that damn forehead seal providing all regen chakra. Tsunade's chakra reserves aren't even really involved, not unless it runs out.
Though on the flipside, if it does runs out, she collapses.
You're assuming that everyone in the village was suffering from being near death. Some, like Shikamaru, got away with merely a broken leg for instance. Tsunade probably didn't manage to heal everyone, nor do I think she did it all by herself since Katsuya certainly would have contributed her own chakra as well. Healing normal injuries also requires far less chakra than shedding skin, which is not the only thing Orochimaru did in that fight. Never mind the fact that honestly Tsunade will have a difficult time tagging him.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You're assuming that everyone in the village was suffering from being near death. Some, like Shikamaru, got away with merely a broken leg for instance. Tsunade probably didn't manage to heal everyone, nor do I think she did it all by herself since Katsuya certainly would have contributed her own chakra as well. Healing normal injuries also requires far less chakra than shedding skin, which is not the only thing Orochimaru did in that fight. Never mind the fact that honestly Tsunade will have a difficult time tagging him.
She can tag madara but she can't tag him? Really? I'm not saying that Oro isn't fast, but we really only see his speed in the 4 tails fight where the 4 tails really sucked it up in the mobility department. Also, where does it say shedding your skin takes more chakra than healing countless others, regardless of their injuries, unless you are telling me everyone had minor scratches. Plus, the whole oro had more than enough chakra thing sounds a little sketchy to me. He clearly had worn out his body to the point of it rejecting him. He can say all he wants about how it was fun, but he didn't seem to eager to stick around. he obviously overestimated himself.
Originally posted by socool8520
She can tag madara but she can't tag him? Really? I'm not saying that Oro isn't fast, but we really only see his speed in the 4 tails fight where the 4 tails really sucked it up in the mobility department. Also, where does it say shedding your skin takes more chakra than healing countless others, regardless of their injuries, unless you are telling me everyone had minor scratches. Plus, the whole oro had more than enough chakra thing sounds a little sketchy to me. He clearly had worn out his body to the point of it rejecting him. He can say all he wants about how it was fun, but he didn't seem to eager to stick around. he obviously overestimated himself.
Too bad she has never actually blitzed Madara effectively. She blitzed a clone but that is a standard move and implies the Madara was able to switch in a clone without being noticed. She isn't going to be blitzing Orochimaru, who can react to characters faster than Tsunade. Itachi stated that the shedding the skin technique takes lots of chakra. And please don't be under the impression that Tsunade completely healed everyone. She more than likely stabilized them. Let's not try to say that Orochimaru is weaker when the manga shows that he is suffering side effects of his body rejecting him. He did treat the whole thing like a game.
The Databook does give Tsunade the edge in stamina though(but not by much and it's not like everyone here has much stock in the Databook anyway). However, even were I to concede that Tsunade has more stamina, Orochimaru far and away still has better techniques and the better summons.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Too bad she has never actually blitzed Madara effectively. She blitzed a clone but that is a standard move and implies the Madara was able to switch in a clone without being noticed. She isn't going to be blitzing Orochimaru, who can react to characters faster than Tsunade. Itachi stated that the shedding the skin technique takes lots of chakra. And please don't be under the impression that Tsunade completely healed everyone. She more than likely stabilized them.The Databook does give Tsunade the edge in stamina though(but not by much and it's not like everyone here has much stock in the Databook anyway). However, even were I to concede that Tsunade has more stamina, Orochimaru far and way still has better techniques and the better summons.
Who said anything about blitzing? You said tag. She has already hit him before. Also, who did Oro react to that was noticibly faster than her? And as before she can wait for him to come to her where she proceeds to knock the doo doo out of him. He isn't regenning forever, and like someone already stated, this would be a fight of who's regen lasts longer. in that, I give it to Tsunade.
Regardless of whether she "stabilized" them or not, the fact is she was able to regen several people at one time. it seems like you want to down play her achievement and yet hold a feat like shedding ones body 3 times as something spectacular. I agree that it takes alot of chakra to sheds one's body, but i think Tsunade's feat/feats are better.
I care very little about data books, so add one more. his summoning impure resurrection tech is the only one I see that is above Tsunade. The rest are meh in this fight. Also, after re-reading the manga, there really wasn't much to show that Manda did anything to the Slug.
Originally posted by socool8520
Who said anything about blitzing? You said tag. She has already hit him before. Also, who did Oro react to that was noticibly faster than her? And as before she can wait for him to come to her where she proceeds to knock the doo doo out of him. He isn't regenning forever, and like someone already stated, this would be a fight of who's regen lasts longer. in that, I give it to Tsunade.Regardless of whether she "stabilized" them or not, the fact is she was able to regen several people at one time. it seems like you want to down play her achievement and yet hold a feat like shedding ones body 3 times as something spectacular. I agree that it takes alot of chakra to sheds one's body, but i think Tsunade's feat/feats are better.
I care very little about data books, so add one more. his summoning impure resurrection tech is the only one I see that is above Tsunade. The rest are meh in this fight. Also, after re-reading the manga, there really wasn't much to show that Manda did anything to the Slug.
Normally for someone to tag someone else via taijutsu, a blitz is necessary. Considering Orochimaru has several long distance attacks, he has no reason to get close to her. And not true. Saying that is ignoring how creative characters can be.
Not at all. It's a good feat. However, there are several factors you seem to ignore when considering it.
He has several long distance attacks like swords, snake hands, and that one wind jutsu of his. He has clones, for when he needs to pull a quick trick and can melt into the ground to move around undetected. Manda is better by virtue of being faster and stronger than Katsuya. Katsuya is hard to kill but aside from one offensive technique(that Manda handled just fine) she has not else.
Originally posted by socool8520
And as before she can wait for him to come to her where she proceeds to knock the doo doo out of him.
I care very little about data books, so add one more. his summoning impure resurrection tech is the only one I see that is above Tsunade. The rest are meh in this fight. Also, after re-reading the manga, there really wasn't much to show that Manda did anything to the Slug.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
What has Tsunade shown that compares with Orochimaru's combat prowess, and what has she shown that could put down Orochimaru when he's already tanked her primary form of attacking and stopped a Bijuu Ball?
While Manda couldn't hurt Katsuyu, Katsuyu could not do anything to Manda either. Manda also had to take on Gamabunta. Manda is far and away superior to Katsuyu in terms of combat.
Oh, and Imma make an Orochimaru vs. Tsunade thread now.