The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by Q99
Tsunade's a diplomatic wimp?

Hm, I'm trying to remember what decisions she's made diplomatically...

Anyway, Minato's, what, upper 30s? He's got potentially decades as Hokage to go. No need to hand things off to an older generation member this time.

Hey, aside from Minato, Kushina, and Itachi, Shisui should be alive and around too!

Keeping Sasuke alive for one...or at least not establishing him in the bingo books. She also wimped out to A and Gaara when establishing the jinchuruki locations.

The elders and Danzo do have a habit of making hard-core decisions...that Hiruzen just goes with for some reason. So just wondering is all.

But didn't Shisui die for some other Danzo related reason?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
If she chews gum I swear to God I will find a way into that universe to beat her up.

He reminds me of Masaomi Kida from Durarara! Flamboyant but not a pansy(save for one moment). I like Masaomi more than Sasuke though so hey, fun.

I dun geddit.

Durarara!? Recommend it? I'm bored right now.

Originally posted by Q99
Yea, but they're cousins.

Spoiler:
Fan-art Neji is a Zetsu clone.

Durarara!? Recommend it? I'm bored right now.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I dun geddit.

Durarara!? Recommend it? I'm bored right now.

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Si. Is a fun show. Few complaints but nothing too big.

And, I watched the dub. Which was actually pretty good. So good that I have no interest in a subbed version.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
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Seriously though, are you making a reference to something, or would Hinata chewing gum just be annoying to you? I'd beat her up if she twirled her hair.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Its great, watch the anime. The manga is only at ep 2 so far and isn't as good imo.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Si. Is a fun show. Few complaints but nothing too big.

And, I watched the dub. Which was actually pretty good. So good that I have no interest in a subbed version.

Awright. Will watch it. Episodes should be on Crunchyroll I hope.

EDIT: I should watch the dubbed version?

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Keeping Sasuke alive for one...or at least not establishing him in the bingo books. She also wimped out to A and Gaara when establishing the jinchuruki locations.

Eh, Cloud had a legitimately great hiding spot, better than any I know in Leaf and with a facility actually designed for training tailed beasts as well as being mobile. And on Sasuke, until he acted against Leaf or something Leaf cared about it sorta made sense and was just continuing existing policy.

The elders and Danzo do have a habit of making hard-core decisions...that Hiruzen just goes with for some reason. So just wondering is all.

They do have significant political pull, yes.

It does strike me that Hiruzen's power bloc was greatly weakened with the Kyuubi attack, which may be part of it- he lost two of his biggest S-class ninja in his corner. That meant he'd have to rely on Danzo a lot more than if they were around, ask for help in exchange for favors, and all that. Hiruzen is the type who'd repay his favors.

Politically while those two were alive, it was a Hiruzen/Minato/Kushina/Jiraiya power bloc (though with Jiraiya spending most of his time away. And before Tsunade left, her in the bloc too). Very little ways for Danzo to get leverage there, there were plenty of S-class ninja to shuffle around whereever was needed.

But didn't Shisui die for some other Danzo related reason?

We don't know precisely what happened, but Danzo claimed one of his eyes, shortly before Itachi got the other/he committed suicide/whatever, all right before the massacre went down. I doubt the circumstances would be the same with Minato and I think it was tied in with the massacre.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Seriously though, are you making a reference to something, or would Hinata chewing gum just be annoying to you? I'd beat her up if she twirled her hair.

Awright. Will watch it. Episodes should be on Crunchyroll I hope.

EDIT: I should watch the dubbed version?

🙁

And yeah, watch the dub. It's pretty good.

The dub isn't on Crunchyroll though. You'd need to find it elsewhere. No biggie.

Originally posted by Q99
Eh, Cloud had a legitimately great hiding spot, better than any I know in Leaf and with a facility actually designed for training tailed beasts as well as being mobile. And on Sasuke, until he acted against Leaf or something Leaf cared about it sorta made sense and was just continuing existing policy.

Originally posted by Q99

They do have significant political pull, yes.

It does strike me that Hiruzen's power bloc was greatly weakened with the Kyuubi attack, which may be part of it- he lost two of his biggest S-class ninja in his corner. That meant he'd have to rely on Danzo a lot more than if they were around, ask for help in exchange for favors, and all that. Hiruzen is the type who'd repay his favors.

Politically while those two were alive, it was a Hiruzen/Minato/Kushina/Jiraiya power bloc (though with Jiraiya spending most of his time away. And before Tsunade left, her in the bloc too). Very little ways for Danzo to get leverage there, there were plenty of S-class ninja to shuffle around whereever was needed.

The Hyuga incident and Kushina kidnapping went virtually unmentioned while Hiruzen was Hokage. Well I wouldn't mind for Kages to take advice from the counsel but he shouldn't have let the pretty much run over him in those particular sensitive situations. I mean A and Onoki have pretty solid holds of powers even though they were both arses until recently.

Originally posted by Q99

We don't know precisely what happened, but Danzo claimed one of his eyes, shortly before Itachi got the other/he committed suicide/whatever, all right before the massacre went down. I doubt the circumstances would be the same with Minato and I think it was tied in with the massacre.

I do as well but I'm not clear on the details for that. Just wondering if that would be another thing prevent with Minato being alive and all in this movie.

So Tsunade was just wrong then. As for Sasuke, one would think that Tsunade would have enough resources to send out a proper Anbu squad to at least check for signs of Sasuke or Orochimaru's hideouts; he was technically a missing nin when he left and the possibility of leaking info or granting another village a legit Uchiha would also be negative consequences....sort of.

Well, they *knew* Orochimaru (and thus Sound) had him, but he also wasn't high ranking and in possession of key secrets. The hope was that Naruto could get him to defect back, and/or he'd kill Orochimaru and Itachi then return on his own.

And let's not forget- he did in fact kill both Orochimaru and Itachi, two larger threats to the village (at least, Itachi appeared to be. Oro actually was, of course). So while the last bit on returning didn't happen, it still kinda worked out.

^ This. I mean up until the point where he had attacked the 5 kage summit and killed Danzo, what did he really do? He attacked a criminal organization and practically did all the villages a favor by killing Deidara, Oro, and Itachi. At the point when Sasuke attacked the summit, was pretty much when the villages had to prep for war so putting him in the bingo book was pointless.

I'm just saying that the threat of Sasuke going full blown rouge still stands and I'm suprised that another retrival mission with competent chunin/jonin weren't dispatched; could've been an offical A ranked mission and everything.

But yeah up until the Kage Summit or attacking Bee, technically an asault by Akatsuki, Sasuke could've gotten the heroes welcome had he came back to Konoha.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I'm just saying that the threat of Sasuke going full blown rouge still stands and I'm suprised that another retrival mission with competent chunin/jonin weren't dispatched; could've been an offical A ranked mission and everything.

But yeah up until the Kage Summit or attacking Bee, technically an asault by Akatsuki, Sasuke could've gotten the heroes welcome had he came back to Konoha.

Keep in mind that until Oro died, that would've required taking on Orochimaru too. Sasuke was protected in a hidden base under the wing of an S-class for the most part.

Indeed. The minute Sasuke left the Valley of the End, he was basically unreachable. Orochimaru is stronger than any team Tsunade could send, short of sending Jiraiya or going herself. One is busy doing Akatsuki research and the other is busy running a village.

Sasuke was something Tsunade could really do nothing about. On top of being basically impossible to find, he's impossible to get to. If you can't do anything about a variable, you basically have to leave it to do what it does....

Or you can be an idiot like Danzo and try to kill Sasuke roughly 3 years later at the cost of a lot of info from your village and a Root Shinobi. When really, worst come to worst, you'd only get a Sharingan using Orochimaru. Who believe it or not is not all that big a deal. One might assume that Danzo tried to assassinate Sasuke for a different reason entirely...wonder what that could be...

Well yeah there was that too. Still they could've looked for clues or something about where Sasuke was. Oh well.

They most likely were looking for clues- Sound hideout locations is useful information.

The moment Orochimaru died, Sasuke lost some of his protection, but by that point of course he could protect himself, defection looked more likely, and he also became a mobile, slipperier target.

When really, worst come to worst, you'd only get a Sharingan using Orochimaru. Who believe it or not is not all that big a deal.

Well, I'd say fairly significant eventually. Once he no longer has focusing on a host to worry about, he might resume plotting against Konoha while being stronger than ever. Becoming a Snake Sage may also be a possibility once he has a Sasuke body (not that they knew that part).

But, a threat that's fairly down the road. As you say, they didn't have anyone up for the task as the time. 3 years later they had Kakashi and Gai up in the S-class plus their jinchuuriki.

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When Sasuke was free from Orochimaru, they did send a squad to look for him(or Itachi...whichever came first). The team she sent just failed.

Well, honestly if Orochimaru took Sasuke's body, Itachi would have killed him. Tobi would not let him be running around with the Sharingan. Orochimaru would have become a prime target.

The squad with Team 8 and Naruto was sent to look for Itachi; they just conviniently ran into Tobi who told them Sasuke was fighting and stuff.

I'd presonally wager that Orochimaru would've become as power as Itachi at that point but that's just me.

The looking for Itachi was based on the assumption that if they got Itachi, Sasuke would come to them to get him.

Nah.

It would have been Oro with non-mangekyou Sharingan. He would need them with Snake-Sage mode to compete with Itachi.

I was making an assumption he'd try Snake Sage along with the Sharingan.