Originally posted by socool8520
Yeah, that just puts him on another level. Up there with Madara. Is there a consensus that the jutsu Jiraiya and Minato were working on was the tailed beast ball rasengan?
They were just working on the rasenshuriken or something of that ilk.
Tailed beast ball rasengan requires, well, a tailed beast.
Originally posted by Q99
They were just working on the rasenshuriken or something of that ilk.Tailed beast ball rasengan requires, well, a tailed beast.
Both Jiraiya and Minato have access to their own tailed beasts.
Wasn't Choji dealing with that statue? 😐
Originally posted by dadudemon
I dunno.He has the paths....supposedly.
I would find it difficult for even an entire army to take on Tobi if he knows how to use the paths.
Weren't the paths also Edo zombies? Thats why they were shut down at the start of this chapter, right?
On the one hand, Kabuto added a ton of forces. On the other hand, Kabuto is why the Allieds knew where the attacks were coming from so they could meet it in an organized manner. The White Zetsu would've had much more surprise otherwise.
And they really aren't expected to win, just be a distraction/lure.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Weren't the paths also Edo zombies? Thats why they were shut down at the start of this chapter, right?
Yes.
I suppose this'll make it harder for Tobi to use the Biju's power, but he should still have some control over them.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I dunno.He has the paths....supposedly.
I would find it difficult for even an entire army to take on Tobi if he knows how to use the paths.
He knows how to use Paths, but they were Edo Zombies. Still, he could easily get some random ninjas and fix the Bijuu into them I guess.
Plus he has Gedo Mazo which can easily annihilate an army with just its Soul-sucking Dragon construct, never mind its usage of chakra bolts and shockwaves.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He knows how to use Paths, but they were Edo Zombies. Still, he could easily get some random ninjas and fix the Bijuu into them I guess.
No, not the Edo Tensei iterations of the paths, but the Paths' abilities like Nagato, as a single body, used. Maybe I am referring to it in the incorrect way but Naruto commented on Nagato being deadlier (I interpreted that as more efficient and therefore, deadlier) than his 7 body form. If Tobi knows how to use those, Tobi has the reflexes (as seen in his fight against Minato) to be an even bigger powerhouse with the Paths' abilities than Nagato.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Plus he has Gedo Mazo which can easily annihilate an army with just its Soul-sucking Dragon construct, never mind its usage of chakra bolts and shockwaves.
Yeah, that's the kind of stuff I was getting at: pretty deadly stuff.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, not the Edo Tensei iterations of the paths, but the Paths' abilities like Nagato, as a single body, used. Maybe I am referring to it in the incorrect way but Naruto commented on Nagato being deadlier (I interpreted that as more efficient and therefore, deadlier) than his 7 body form. If Tobi knows how to use those, Tobi has the reflexes (as seen in his fight against Minato) to be an even bigger powerhouse with the Paths' abilities than Nagato.
Naruto said his abilities were stronger or something. Understandable, as all the Path abilities were in his own body, as opposed to 6 remotely controlled dead bodies that grew weaker the further away they were from Nagato. Plus if one of those 6 bodies was taken out, none of the other Paths could use that body's ability.
Yeah, if he could use all Path abilities (which he should be able to, as he likely knows a lot about them), he'd be a lot more powerful than Nagato was in his ET form. Nagato was crippled, only used Gedo Mazo once on-screen, lacked a broken-ass Sharingan, intangibility, Hashirama's DNA, and Izanagi.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Oh, you meant the abilities.Naruto said his abilities were stronger or something. Understandable, as all the Path abilities were in his own body, as opposed to 6 remotely controlled dead bodies that grew weaker the further away they were from Nagato. Plus if one of those 6 bodies was taken out, none of the other Paths could use that body's ability.
I have seen 2 translations. I saw "Stronger" and "Deadlier".
But, you make a good point. Is that really the reason it was stronger in Nagato's body?
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yeah, if he could use all Path abilities (which he should be able to, as he likely knows a lot about them), he'd be a lot more powerful than Nagato was in his ET form.
Oh really?
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Nagato was crippled, only used Gedo Mazo once on-screen, lacked a broken-ass Sharingan, intangibility, Hashirama's DNA, and Izanagi.
Uhhhh....yeah, I see your point. I was thinking more about the statue and Path abilities but I forgot about the intangibility stuff.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Imagine if someone took that whole "Old age makes you weaker" thing and applied it to Onoki...
Wasn't he also saved a couple times in this arc? Gaara's sand saved him from the water bullet, an Tsunade has given him the save by healing him when she came with A. He's been pretty epic, but without them he would have died a while ago.
Originally posted by socool8520
Wasn't he also saved a couple times in this arc? Gaara's sand saved him from the water bullet, an Tsunade has given him the save by healing him when she came with A. He's been pretty epic, but without them he would have died a while ago.
Not really the point. For someone like say Sasuke, who has been through several tough spots and had to be saved, you can give it leeway. He's still got things to do within the story since he needs to confront Naruto again, fight him, etc.
Here is my reaction to him this arc:
*Onoki goes to fight Mu since he is the only one who can.*
Me: Oh wow, a huge DBZ like fight! Might be entertaining for the sheer GARness. Onoki might die but I'm betting he'll pull off Heroic Resolve like Hiruzen and stop him, perhaps at the cost of his own life.
*Gaara and Naruto upstage him by beating Mu for him*
Me: Okay...well him and Gaara are going to fight the 2nd Mizukage. He killed Mu and Onoki is weak. Maybe Onoki will get killed to raise the stakes.
*Gaara(P.s **** Gaara) and Onoki manage to stop the 2nd Mizukage*
Me: Shit...well at least there is Madara(OMGWTFWTHTOBI!?). No way can they fight him. Onoki will pull out heroic resolve at the last moment, put all his chakra into one Dust Release, and create an opening for them to escape.
*Madara drops two meteors on him*
Me: Excessive but-
*Onoki lives*
Me:...How....How are you alive? 😐
*Onoki stands and then Tsunade shows up to heal him*
Me: Well despite the fact that we've seen Onoki and Gaara fighting all day, I'm sure the others will get a chance to shine. Wonder who is gonna get them out of the whole pollen thing?
*Onoki gets flashback and wakes up(?) and saves the day*
Me: You're a ****ing attention whore Onoki. I hope Madara's Susano'o clones beat the shit outta you.
*Onoki not only does better against the clones than the other Kage, he is the key reason they're defeated, with Tsunade, the character who hasn't gotten to do much since she was introduced, taking the role of battery for Onoki*
Me: I hope Madara kills you first. You overpowered, Dust Release using, refusing to die little douche.
*Madara uses his big Susano'o and Mei trembles in fear. Onoki stands firm*
Me: So great, I have my favorite of the Kage trembling in fear(thanks for giving the whole Kishi is sexist argument more fuel!) but Onoki gets to give some brave, heroic speech about how they won't back down for the 8th ****ing time. Hey Kishi, I don't like him but maybe there was a freaking reason you put A in charge? Where's his speech? When is Mei going to get to have some awesome moment? I suppose they won't get one after seeing what happened to Tsunade and Gaara. Try and take Onoki's screentime and you'll either end up his battery or part of the wallpaper.
**** Onoki man.
So it's because you don't like him...Okay I got it. With his power set, he should be the best right now. No other Kage, besides Gaara ( I guess you don't like him either), has shown as much power so why wouldn't he get the most face time? he's had to bail the rest of the Kage out. I agree that Mei is getting trolled, but hey, that's the nature of the beast in this manga. However, she has made it easier for the other Kage to attack Madara with her mist/boil techs.
Also, I heard no complaints when Madara shows up and starts haxing all over the place (schooling 5 kage, really?) 2 meteors? And how the hell can he use Mokuton on that level when another person with senju DNA has to rest after making a log house? However, I just accept it since, you know, he has a sharingan. What can't sharingan users do?
Originally posted by socool8520
So it's because you don't like him...Okay I got it. With his power set, he should be the best right now. No other Kage, besides Gaara ( I guess you don't like him either), has shown as much power so why wouldn't he get the most face time? he's had to bail the rest of the Kage out. I agree that Mei is getting trolled, but hey, that's the nature of the beast in this manga. However, she has made it easier for the other Kage to attack Madara with her mist/boil techs.Also, I heard no complaints when Madara shows up and starts haxing all over the place (schooling 5 kage, really?) 2 meteors? And how the hell can he use Mokuton on that level when another person with senju DNA has to rest after making a log house? However, I just accept it since, you know, he has a sharingan. What can't sharingan users do?
That's the point. None of the other Kage, except Tsunade, has gotten a chance to shine against Madara. I'll accept that Onoki is easily the strongest of the Kage but he's been in 3 fights and had a meteor dropped on him and is still better than the rest. The others do not get a chance to show off at all. A, Mei, and even Tsunade haven't gotten to do anything really. At least Gaara got two Kage to fight. And I'm sorry, but I honestly do have to question the reason for making A the leader of the Alliance when Onoki is doing all the preaching. And his preaching gets old.
Villains are exempt. Madara is exempt for being a legend that had Onoki crapping in his pants before he was even properly introduced. He took part in a fight that created a valley. I expect him to be this strong. I expect him to be on another level entirely.
And while I'm at it, lets address one thing. The Sharingan is not as bad as Dust Release when it comes to being overpowered. All of the Sharingan techniques seem to at least come with a cost of some kind. Izanami and Izanagi leave you missing an eye. MS techs cause you to eventually go blind, can only be used sparingly(and in the case of Shisui's eye, like twice every ten years), and seem to hurt the user to even use them. Nevermind that getting the MS and EMS comes from great personal sacrifice.
Dust Release offers invisibility, flight, and the much more powerful dust attacks that can destroy damn near anything. The cost? Chakra I guess. How much? I dunno. Onoki uses them a lot and so does Mu. My guess is not a lot.