The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by dadudemon
I have seen 2 translations. I saw "Stronger" and "Deadlier".

But, you make a good point. Is that really the reason it was stronger in Nagato's body?

I saw "stronger" i.e. his usage of the techs were simply superior to that of the Paths.

That, and his absorption of a large amount of chakra from Bee. That was probably a factor too.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh really?

Yah really.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Uhhhh....yeah, I see your point. I was thinking more about the statue and Path abilities but I forgot about the intangibility stuff.

Don't forget that badass mask that made Naruto look like a chump when he tried to ram Tobi.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
So...

Am I the only person to have expected Onoki to die like 5 times in this war and still wondering how he's still alive?

Spoiler:
Trollkage killed him. This audience-trolling Onoki is obviously his genjutsu.

Originally posted by socool8520
What can't sharingan users do?

Destroy stuff on a molecular level without any difficulty whatsoever.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

Spoiler:
Trollkage killed him. This audience-trolling Onoki is obviously his genjutsu.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

Destroy stuff on a molecular level without any difficulty whatsoever.

Wonder if Sasuke's Susanoo will ever get a "matter-destroying" sword. Itachi should've hooked him up with one of those of laem Amateratsu.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
That's the point. None of the other Kage, except Tsunade, has gotten a chance to shine against Madara. I'll accept that Onoki is easily the strongest of the Kage but he's been in 3 fights and had a meteor dropped on him and is still better than the rest. The others do not get a chance to show off at all. A, Mei, and even Tsunade haven't gotten to do anything really. At least Gaara got two Kage to fight. And I'm sorry, but I honestly do have to question the reason for making A the leader of the Alliance when Onoki is doing all the preaching. And his preaching gets old.

Honestly what is A or Tsunade supposed to do in this situation? their main point of attack is Taijutsu. Neither one of them has any real ninjutsu skills or so it seems. Plus they have shown that they can hang with Madara if he simply uses Susano'o (regular one). A punched through it, and Tsunade destroyed the clone. Of course they are going to have a hard time when he starts using ranged abilities and genjutsu. Mei, well, she just isn't written well. I'll give you that. She shouldn't be used as purely concealment/defense. Her lava release could really come in handy right about now. Also Oonoki has just come into preacher role due to the efforts of Naruto and mainly Gaara. It shows great character development of the dis respectful person he was at the summit. Honestly I think all of the kages have been written poorly to make Madara look even better.

Villains are exempt. Madara is exempt for being a legend that had Onoki crapping in his pants before he was even properly introduced. He took part in a fight that created a valley. I expect him to be this strong. I expect him to be on another level entirely.

I disagree. Minato is a legend and you don't think he pulls this much out of his a%$. Same for Hashirama. They are just really wanking Madara right now. I could have accepted him as a powerful opponent if he and another resurrected Kage had cleaned house, but pwning 5 kages by himself? Come on now. Who does he think he is? Naruto? LOL.

And while I'm at it, lets address one thing. The Sharingan is not as bad as Dust Release when it comes to being overpowered. All of the Sharingan techniques seem to at least come with a cost of some kind. Izanami and Izanagi leave you missing an eye. MS techs cause you to eventually go blind, can only be used sparingly(and in the case of Shisui's eye, like twice every ten years), and seem to hurt the user to even use them. Nevermind that getting the MS and EMS comes from great personal sacrifice.

Oh, Sharingan is much, much more hax than dust release. The cost is minimal when sharingan eyes show up everywhere.

This is sharingan:

Shit, I'm losing. Let me loop this so I win.

Shit, I can't keep up with his speed. Let me create a giant chakra force that defends against every attack and also has offensive capabilities that level mountains. Or maybe I can just read his movements with my eyes, or maybe I can just copy his attack.

Shit he's too good. Let me mind rape him until he's in a coma.

Damn, I'm losingI guess I'll warp his arm off into another dimension.

Dust Release offers invisibility, flight, and the much more powerful dust attacks that can destroy damn near anything. The cost? Chakra I guess. How much? I dunno. Onoki uses them a lot and so does Mu. My guess is not a lot.

Yes, the cost is chakra, and oonoki was extremely tired after only doing like two attacks. What are you talking about? I have seen every sharingan user spam attacks at a far greater rate save for maybe Kakashi. Oonoki had to be healed to do the dust release again on a wide scale.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I saw "stronger" i.e. his usage of the techs were simply superior to that of the Paths.

Destroy stuff on a molecular level without any difficulty whatsoever.

I thought stronger just referred to the fact that he wasn't sick anymore.

Errrr....Madara just did it with no difficulty whatsoever 😛

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I will forever hate Gaara for getting rid of him. May he rest in piece..and troll other ninja in the afterline.

Wonder if Sasuke's Susanoo will ever get a "matter-destroying" sword. Itachi should've hooked him up with one of those of laem Amateratsu.

It just shows how BA Gaara is. That dude was pretty cool though.

Sasuke doens't need another hax ability. his Amaterasu already covers his susano'o cloak. he can't be physically touched without said person losing an appendage.

Originally posted by socool8520
Honestly what is A or Tsunade supposed to do in this situation? their main point of attack is Taijutsu. Neither one of them has any real ninjutsu skills or so it seems. Plus they have shown that they can hang with Madara if he simply uses Susano'o (regular one). A punched through it, and Tsunade destroyed the clone. Of course they are going to have a hard time when he starts using ranged abilities and genjutsu. Mei, well, she just isn't written well. I'll give you that. She shouldn't be used as purely concealment/defense. Her lava release could really come in handy right about now. Also Oonoki has just come into preacher role due to the efforts of Naruto and mainly Gaara. It shows great character development of the dis respectful person he was at the summit. Honestly I think all of the kages have been written poorly to make Madara look even better.

Here's an idea: Ever think that maybe Kishi could have given them so more abilities besides punching shit? Like, give Tsunade some crazy ninjutsu. Or, give A something else. And no, Mei isn't badly written. She's out of focus. The writing around her is too busy focusing on Onoki. And I know that. It doesn't matter to me at all. And no, the Kages have not been poorly written because of Madara. The Kages are not poorly written period. The fight isn't in and of itself poorly written. It's just too focused on Onoki and doesn't let the other Kage get to show off. You know how a big complaint about Sasuke is that he takes up screentime? I agree but I give him far more leeway because he is the 2nd main character.

Originally posted by socool8520
I disagree. Minato is a legend and you don't think he pulls this much out of his a%$. Same for Hashirama. They are just really wanking Madara right now. I could have accepted him as a powerful opponent if he and another resurrected Kage had cleaned house, but pwning 5 kages by himself? Come on now. Who does he think he is? Naruto? LOL.

Minato is a legend in that he is easily the fastest Naruto character. Hashirama BEAT Madara, who is wanking Hashirama. Not to mention, Madara was designed to be stronger than Hashirama by Kabuto. And of course he isn't Naruto. He is stronger than Naruto.

Originally posted by socool8520
Oh, Sharingan is much, much more hax than dust release. The cost is minimal when sharingan eyes show up everywhere.

Sharingan show up everywhere because the central villain is an Uchiha, so is the 2nd Protagonist, the Anti-Hero, and the Living Legend (he's stopped using it). Kakashi's was a gift, Danzo's were stolen.

This doesn't change the fact that it comes with more of a cost.

Originally posted by socool8520
This is sharingan:

Shit, I'm losing. Let me loop this so I win.

****. I lost an eye. Well guess that's the price of victory.

Originally posted by socool8520
Shit, I can't keep up with his speed. Let me create a giant chakra force that defends against every attack and also has offensive capabilities that level mountains. Or maybe I can just read his movements with my eyes, or maybe I can just copy his attack.

****. I'm going blind and this hurts like a *****.

And the other two are no more broken than say the Byakugan. The basic Sharingan is merely a tool and it's abilities, while potent, depend heavily on the skill of the user.

Originally posted by socool8520
Shit he's too good. Let me mind rape him until he's in a coma.

****. I'm going blind. I'm sure feeling the long term effects of these powerful techniques. Along with the heavy chakra lose.

Originally posted by socool8520
Damn, I'm losingI guess I'll warp his arm off into another dimension.

****. I missed. I'm barely standing and I'm losing my eyesight. This better be a last resort move.

Originally posted by socool8520
Yes, the cost is chakra, and oonoki was extremely tired after only doing like two attacks. What are you talking about? I have seen every sharingan user spam attacks at a far greater rate save for maybe Kakashi. Oonoki had to be healed to do the dust release again on a wide scale.

Well let's see. He fired two attacks at Madara and still did much better against the Madara clones than any of the other Kage. Keep in mind, he's still flying around(that is a rare ability for Naruto characters really) and he's been fighting nonstop...After getting a meteor dropped on him. And tell me, if the move is so chakra draining, how come he casually used it on Sasuke?

But you know what? I'm fair. Here's what we'll do. Take MS Sasuke and Onoki and put them up against two armies of about 300. First one to kill them all wins and is declared the most broken.

Originally posted by socool8520

I disagree. Minato is a legend and you don't think he pulls this much out of his a%$. Same for Hashirama. They are just really wanking Madara right now. I could have accepted him as a powerful opponent if he and another resurrected Kage had cleaned house, but pwning 5 kages by himself? Come on now. Who does he think he is? Naruto? LOL.

Minato is not on Hashirama's or Madara's level though, and Minato lacks versatility. We won't expect him to pull stuff out of his ass.
In addition, Madara and Hashirama are by far the strongest ninja ever shown from the two strongest clans. Fights between the two cause wide-scale geographic change. Only Bijuu and their Jinchuurikii get to that level. And Nagato with Shinra Tensei and Chibaku Tensei.
Madara was enough to make Tobi shit himself, and he was cautious even after he acquired the Rinnegan. He was also Kabuto's trump card from a set that included ninja like Nagato, Itachi, other Jinchuurikii and previous Kages who were all shown to be stronger than the current Kages. All this implies he was stupidly powerful.

Originally posted by socool8520
Yes, the cost is chakra, and oonoki was extremely tired after only doing like two attacks. What are you talking about? I have seen every sharingan user spam attacks at a far greater rate save for maybe Kakashi. Oonoki had to be healed to do the dust release again on a wide scale.

Onoki is 83 years old. It's no wonder he has problems. Though yes, Dust Release is supposedly fairly chakra intensive. Muu cannot use Dust Release if he cuts his chakra levels in half.
Sarutobi at the age of 63 was nothing compared to Sarutobi at say the age of 30. Same would apply to Onoki, only it would be even more drastic.

Still not as broken as a Sharingan or a Mangekyo Sharingan though. Maybe on the same level as an EMS.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I will forever hate Gaara for getting rid of him. May he rest in piece..and troll other ninja in the afterline.

Wonder if Sasuke's Susanoo will ever get a "matter-destroying" sword. Itachi should've hooked him up with one of those of laem Amateratsu.

Meh, the whole of Naruto is just his and Itachi's genjutsu awesome

If his Susano'o gets to a FAPS level (which it should, if he's Madara's second coming), then he'll have mountain busting arrows. Heck, he'll probably surpass Madara, much like Naruto is supposed to surpass Hashirama. 😐

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Muu cannot use Dust Release if he cuts his chakra levels in half.
Sarutobi at the age of 63 was nothing compared to Sarutobi at say the age of 30. Same would apply to Onoki, only it would be even more drastic.

I think that only applies when Muu splits himself after wasting chakra. Cause if Dust Techs costs more than half, one could really only use it once.

So I say Mu was like at...40% maybe? And then he split(20%) and he couldn't use any Dust Release. All speculation but I think it's solid enough.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Here's an idea: Ever think that maybe Kishi could have given them so more abilities besides punching shit? Like, give Tsunade some crazy ninjutsu. Or, give A something else. And no, Mei isn't badly written. She's out of focus. The writing around her is too busy focusing on Onoki. And I know that. It doesn't matter to me at all. And no, the Kages have not been poorly written because of Madara. The Kages are not poorly written period. The fight isn't in and of itself poorly written. It's just too focused on Onoki and doesn't let the other Kage get to show off. You know how a big complaint about Sasuke is that he takes up screentime? I agree but I give him far more leeway because he is the 2nd main character.

Sure I have no problem with A or Tsu using genjutsu save for the fact that neither of them have ever used ninjutsu iirc. ever. It's the same reason I don't say that Minato can use crazy ninjutsu or Gai. I'm sure they can but they have never done it so it doesn't matter. You say out of focus, I say poorly written. Kishi could have easily made this a less " I love madara" arc by having her use some lava/water/earth/fire attacks offensively. Instead, he makes her cloak movements with mist and that's pretty much it. I honestly think if the kages were written better, Madara would not seem as godly.

Minato is a legend in that he is easily the fastest Naruto character. Hashirama BEAT Madara, who is wanking Hashirama. Not to mention, Madara was designed to be stronger than Hashirama by Kabuto.

Minato is a legend because strong ninjas say he was one of the best ever. His speed lends creedence to their claims. Madara and Hash were the strongest of their time. This doesn't mean they are the strongest ever. There was no one else to compare them to in their day. Now there are several ninjas that are strong.

And of course he isn't Naruto. He is stronger than Naruto.

If you say so. lol Personally I think the kages made Naruto leave because he would have handled business and embarrassed them.

Sharingan show up everywhere because the central villain is an Uchiha, so is the 2nd Protagonist, the Anti-Hero, and the Living Legend (he's stopped using it). Kakashi's was a gift, Danzo's were stolen.

This doesn't change the fact that it comes with more of a cost.

So what, my point is still valid. Yeah, you lose an eye with some techs, but the eyes are everywhere so big deal. You lose an eye after the fight, you still lose. You run out of chakra during the fight, you did. losing eye>death

****. I'm going blind and this hurts like a *****.
****. I'm going blind. I'm sure feeling the [b]long term effects of these powerful techniques. Along with the heavy chakra lose. [/B]

Yeah, I'm blind....which has not stopped me one bit from actually beating anyone. Wait what's that? I can just grab some more eyes and I never go blind again? thank goodness for these upgrade-able eyes. lol What's that? even more techs are available to me now? man I love these eyes

Well let's see. He fired two attacks at Madara and still did much better against the Madara clones than any of the other Kage. Keep in mind, he's still flying around(that is a rare ability for Naruto characters really) and he's been fighting nonstop...After getting a meteor dropped on him. And tell me, if the move is so chakra draining, how come he casually used it on Sasuke?

Two attacks and he hax? Gee, I wonder what you think of the Uchiha then. Any of them. lol Flying doesn't seem to be much of a chakra drainer as he is always doing. Reminds of how Tsu stays young all the time. He casually used it on Sasuke because, at the time, he was the only one around, he was a criminal, and it was going to kill him. Why wouldn't he? 😕 Especially since he had backup in case a fight broke out.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I think that only applies when Muu splits himself after wasting chakra. Cause if Dust Techs costs more than half, one could really only use it once.

So I say Mu was like at...40% maybe? And then he split(20%) and he couldn't use any Dust Release. All speculation but I think it's solid enough.

It's not unreasonable. but still, an attack that takes 20% at the least is still a taxing attack wouldn't you agree? Plus we don't know the amount of chakra Muu and Oonoki have in relation to each other.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I think that only applies when Muu splits himself after wasting chakra. Cause if Dust Techs costs more than half, one could really only use it once.

So I say Mu was like at...40% maybe? And then he split(20%) and he couldn't use any Dust Release. All speculation but I think it's solid enough.

Alternatively, he simply cannot use DR in his split state, even if his split state has 50%.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Minato is not on Hashirama's or Madara's level though, and Minato lacks versatility. We won't expect him to pull stuff out of his ass.
In addition, Madara and Hashirama are by far the strongest ninja ever shown from the two strongest clans. Fights between the two cause wide-scale geographic change. Only Bijuu and their Jinchuurikii get to that level. And Nagato with Shinra Tensei and Chibaku Tensei.
Madara was enough to make Tobi shit himself, and he was cautious even after he acquired the Rinnegan. He was also Kabuto's trump card from a set that included ninja like Nagato, Itachi, other Jinchuurikii and previous Kages who were all shown to be stronger than the current Kages. All this implies he was stupidly powerful.

They are the two strongest from their time. it is impossible to say the strongest ever. If a bunch of wood is all Hash has got, i would hardly call that all powerful. Minato didn't need to be versatile since two techs were enough to handle every opponent he ever faced as far as we know. I can admit that Madara is no. 1 or 2 now, with his enhancements. Itachi looks almost as powerful as old Madara. Also, I don't remember Tobi being scared shit less of Madara. It just seems like he doesn't quite like him. I have no problem accepting that Madara was stronger than most of the kages, just not all of them put together. That is just ridiculous.

Originally posted by socool8520
It just shows how BA Gaara is. That dude was pretty cool though.

Originally posted by socool8520

Sasuke doens't need another hax ability. his Amaterasu already covers his susano'o cloak. he can't be physically touched without said person losing an appendage.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Meh, the whole of Naruto is just his and Itachi's genjutsu awesome

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix

If his Susano'o gets to a FAPS level (which it should, if he's Madara's second coming), then he'll have mountain busting arrows. Heck, he'll probably surpass Madara, much like Naruto is supposed to surpass Hashirama. 😐

Originally posted by socool8520
They are the two strongest from their time. it is impossible to say the strongest ever. If a bunch of wood is all Hash has got, i would hardly call that all powerful. Minato didn't need to be versatile since two techs were enough to handle every opponent he ever faced as far as we know. I can admit that Madara is no. 1 or 2 now, with his enhancements. Itachi looks almost as powerful as old Madara. Also, I don't remember Tobi being scared shit less of Madara. It just seems like he doesn't quite like him. I have no problem accepting that Madara was stronger than most of the kages, just not all of them put together. That is just ridiculous.

They were strong enough to control Bijuu and use them as their own pets. With what we've seen from Madara, and what we've learned about Hashirama, it is safe to say they are the strongest ninja seen so far, with the exception of the Sage of the Six Paths.

Yes. Two techs were all he needed to handle those he fought, and that's all he was ever known to have had. No versatility means we wouldn't really see any new moves.

Nah, Itachi is not as powerful as VotE Madara, not if VotE Madara had FAPS.

He shat his pants when Kabuto revealed him. Of course, Madara being shown would mean that the rest of the world would think that Tobi wasn't Madara, but his power still likely had something to do with it. In addition, Madara's name and power were still enough to scare the rest of the ninja world, and Onoki believed that Madara was powerful enough to accomplish anything he wanted to do.
Again, Madara was Kabuto's trump card from a set that included ninja like Nagato, Itachi, other Jinchuurikii and previous Kages. Kabuto implied that Madara was far more powerful than any of those ninja. Each of those ninja is probably more powerful than any of the current Kage save Onoki. Plus when he was given Rinnegan, the most powerful doujutsu, and Wood-release, which was what made Hashirama so damn powerful, it isn't that surprising that he's schooling 5 Kage.

And yes, I'll keep calling Final Advent Perfect Susano'o as FAPS. You all say Madara is getting wanked. FAPS is appropriate then. biscuits

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
So Sasori, Deidera, 3rd Raikage, Kakuzu, Hanzo, Nagato, Chiyo, Zabuza, the Jinchuriku, and Muu being fodderized was just a bad dream? If only....if only 🙁

Considering how Naruto has a mountain butsting tech on top of Minato like speeds and amped clones, I think he already has. Sasuke is in desperate need of "FAPS"

Yeah.

Meh, Hashirama could control multiple mountain busting bijuu, had medical jutsu superior to Tsunade's, and can put people to sleep with mountain-covering forests.
He'll put Naruto to sleep. awesome

Originally posted by socool8520
Sure I have no problem with A or Tsu using genjutsu save for the fact that neither of them have ever used ninjutsu iirc. ever. It's the same reason I don't say that Minato can use crazy ninjutsu or Gai. I'm sure they can but they have never done it so it doesn't matter. You say out of focus, I say poorly written. Kishi could have easily made this a less " I love madara" arc by having her use some lava/water/earth/fire attacks offensively. Instead, he makes her cloak movements with mist and that's pretty much it. I honestly think if the kages were written better, Madara would not seem as godly.

Of course they haven't. That's the point. That's the problem. Given their positions, they SHOULD have something more than taijutsu. But Kishi decided not to give them any. Why? Dunno. I'd say Tsunade should be using Ninjutsu a lot more and the Raikage should have more than a really fast punch. But...they don't. And no, you don't want the Kages to be written better. You want the Kage to be stronger. So do I. But you're blaming Madara because...I don't really know why. He is nothing but the object they should be using their sweet moves on. But the only one who is causing Madara any kind of annoyance is Onoki, who is also getting the most screen time of the Kage. You're blaming the bad guy but his only obligation is to be a threat. Onoki is the one so ridiculously above his allies that it doesn't matter what they try to do.

Originally posted by socool8520
Minato is a legend because strong ninjas say he was one of the best ever. His speed lends creedence to their claims. Madara and Hash were the strongest of their time. This doesn't mean they are the strongest ever. There was no one else to compare them to in their day. Now there are several ninjas that are strong.

Uh no, I'm pretty sure Minato is a legend because of his speed. You know, "Yellow Flash"? Madara and Hashirama are likened unto gods dude. Onoki had no doubt that if he wanted to, Madara should have been able to conquer the world.

Originally posted by socool8520
If you say so. lol Personally I think the kages made Naruto leave because he would have handled business and embarrassed them.

He was weak at the time. And a clone. At that time he was probably weaker than Onoki really.

Originally posted by socool8520
So what, my point is still valid. Yeah, you lose an eye with some techs, but the eyes are everywhere so big deal. You lose an eye after the fight, you still lose. You run out of chakra during the fight, you did. losing eye>death

.....Well no. See, if I have a gun and I run out of bullets or the gun breaks, I can get a new gun and bullets. That doesn't make a gun a more broken weapon than a nuke.

And as for the underline part, no shit. And I assume you meant die. Umm, Sharingan users are just as susceptable to dying from chakra loss so that is not Dust Release exclusive. See Kakashi.

Originally posted by socool8520
Yeah, I'm blind....which has not stopped me one bit from actually beating anyone. Wait what's that? I can just grab some more eyes and I never go blind again? thank goodness for these upgrade-able eyes. lol What's that? even more techs are available to me now? man I love these eyes

Oh it's just my eyesight! No big deal! Not like I've been scarred for life. Seriously? I'll get to something funny soon, I promise but seriously? First of all, in order to get the MS you need to lose the person closest to you. And in order to get EMS, need to take your siblings eyes. Never mind that such choices are in fact still losing something(condemning your sibling to death basically and killing two people close to you, causing emotional turmoil. See Sasuke), never mind the fact that that sequence of events requires a sorta troll logic.

But okay, fair enough: EMS doesn't have the long term costs of the MS. Comes with something new(what? We dunno), but still zaps chakra(I assume). Granted, no MS technique besides the Mountain size Susano'o is as deadly as Mu's Chakra sensing+Flight+Invisibility+NUKE. But whatever. Let's look at the basics here. In order to get the EMS and circumvent what do you have to do? Go through surgery and a rest period. What do you have to do to start shooting nukes and buzzing around like a fly? Get a back rub. Or presumably a power nap. So even then, which seems easier?

Originally posted by socool8520
Two attacks and he hax? Gee, I wonder what you think of the Uchiha then. Any of them. lol Flying doesn't seem to be much of a chakra drainer as he is always doing. Reminds of how Tsu stays young all the time. He casually used it on Sasuke because, at the time, he was the only one around, he was a criminal, and it was going to kill him. Why wouldn't he? 😕 Especially since he had backup in case a fight broke out.

The attacks clear a freaking forrest. Even Amaterasu needed time to burn down a forest. And no it doesn't. He can do one of the most useful support abilities for basically no cost. And he was basically dead on his feet. He could have done anything. And he didn't seem worn afterwards.

I'll notice you didn't take the bet.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel

et's look at the basics here. In order to get the EMS and circumvent what do you have to do? Go through surgery and a rest period. What do you have to do to start shooting nukes and buzzing around like a fly? Get a back rub. Or presumably a power nap. So even then, which seems easier?

You aren't contrasting them correctly. EMS has pretty steep requirements to achieve, but so does Dust Release. Getting a massage from a lady with big bewbs =/= getting Dust Release. It needs something akin to a Kekkei Genkai.
Dust Release is rare to the point where only one or two people are supposed to have it. EMS is just as rare as far as we know, but is easier to acquire if you have the balls for it.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You aren't contrasting them correctly. EMS has pretty steep requirements to achieve, but so does Dust Release. Getting a massage from a lady with big bewbs =/= getting Dust Release. It needs something akin to a Kekkei Genkai.
Dust Release is rare to the point where only one or two people are supposed to have it. EMS is just as rare as far as we know, but is easier to acquire if you have the balls for it.

Get Dust Release is not harder than, say, being born an Uchiha. It's a bloodline thing. You can transplant Sharingan but it does come with it's own cost.

But the point wasn't that you get Dust Release from the massage. The point was that in order to overcome the long term effects of the MS, you'd need to undergo surgery and a rest period(along with having an extra pair of eyes, the knowledge of the EMS anyway, and it still comes with the sacrifice of your sibling). Dust Release has no long term effects(cept perhaps making you live longer, still not sure) and all you need to be back on your feet fighting is a power nap/back rub.

Looking back, was a tad unclear.

It is harder than just being born an Uchiha. It's supposed to be a more stringent version of the Bloodline Limit. We don't even know if Muu and Onoki are related.

Yeah, never mind. I did not see the word 'circumvent' and I did not bother to read the part of socol's post you were responding to.