Sorta on the izanagi/Madara's max capacity thing:
Edos apparently have unlimited chakra. What they do not have any evidence of is infinite output.
Picture a hose that never runs out of water. You can hypothetically get infinite water out of it, but how much you get at one time is dependent on it's width.
You know, consistent with what's shown in the manga. Edo don't use their jutsu any bigger than they did in life, they just don't run out of juice.
I even wonder if they can temporarily run out, just with a refill- after all, 2nd Mizukage really did seem really tired after using Jokey Boy. So there are real confirmed limits on jutsu usage even for an edo.
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I say Danzo's speed is a 5:http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v51/c480/12.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v51/c480/13.html
He completely dodged Sasuke's speed blitz and grabbed Karin. I do not think Sasuke is a speed slouch: a 4.5 to 5 by this point in the manga.
Sasuke's pretty tired and beat up at that point, so he might not be going at full speed himself. Still, agreed it was impressive movement on Danzo's part.
Originally posted by socool8520
IDK...They seemd to rattle off these jutsus with decent rapidity. The only reason Muu didn't is because he was split in half. There is no way Onoki would have been able to keep up if not for Naruto coming in like a boss.
Yea, but Muu didn't do that much more than Onoki, and he's an S-class to begin with. Throw in a recharge and, it's no surprise he can outlast Onoki.
Also on the output side, note how he did not supercharge his Dust to beyond Onoki and just win. No-one's done anything like that- heck, not even the Edo Shichibukai directly controlled by Tobi, they were flat-out outpowered by Naruto.
And when he split in half, half-of-him was unable to do Dust. Half of actually infinite is still infinite. Cut the flow of a hose in half and... well, then the amount available becomes noticeably less even though it's still 'unlimited'.
So my conclusions are- one, their output is self evidently limited.
Two, the nature of their endless chakra may be automatically topped off or may simply be a continuous recharge. That side I don't think there's enough info to call one way or another.
Look at how many Madara has shit out at a time. lol
Well he had mountain-smashing power even when alive and without these aspects, then had Senju added in 🙂
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, but Muu didn't do that much more than Onoki, and he's an S-class to begin with. Throw in a recharge and, it's no surprise he can outlast Onoki.Also on the output side, note how he did not supercharge his Dust to beyond Onoki and just win. No-one's done anything like that- heck, not even the Edo Shichibukai directly controlled by Tobi, they were flat-out outpowered by Naruto.
And when he split in half, half-of-him was unable to do Dust. Half of actually infinite is still infinite. Cut the flow of a hose in half and... well, then the amount available becomes noticeably less even though it's still 'unlimited'.
So my conclusions are- one, their output is self evidently limited.
Two, the nature of their endless chakra may be automatically topped off or may simply be a continuous recharge. That side I don't think there's enough info to call one way or another.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think any of the edos can produce stronger attacks then their primes. I agree the base strength of their justsus is limited to what they were when each person was alive. And of course they were outpowered by Naruto lol. The only person I think who isn't is probably Madara or maybe Pain.
Well he had mountain-smashing power even when alive and without these aspects, then had Senju added in 🙂
True, but he wouldn't be throwing these out nearly as much of these jutsus without current ET body. He probably would have had to scale back some of the attacks as well if his chakra wasn't continously refilling.
I think the infinite chakra means infinite in terms of how much you had when you were alive. It will always fill back up to how much chakra the ET body in life. That's why Muu can no longer do dust release because he is only half of his chakra whole. he will always fill up to that though and would be able to spam whatever lesser chakra consuming techs he knows, or at least that's how I see it.
Originally posted by socool8520
I think the infinite chakra means infinite in terms of how much you had when you were alive. It will always fill back up to how much chakra the ET body in life. That's why Muu can no longer do dust release because he is only half of his chakra whole. he will always fill up to that though and would be able to spam whatever lesser chakra consuming techs he knows, or at least that's how I see it.
Yea, that's likely accurate.