Originally posted by Astner
Danzō was a grizzly veteran who operated primarily undercover, and whom controlled the entire stealth force of Konoha.Zabuza was a bounty hunter with a bit of a reputation, and that's pretty much it.
And yet he fails at everything. He was literally killed because of one of his stupid decisions.
Exactly. I can see why he would fail a lot.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Danzo was an egotistical lunatic who couldn't get over the fact that he wasn't Hokage.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
You seem to be confusing a reveal with an asspull. This is Madara's first fight. It's...kinda hard to make the argument that he has any asspulls.
It's his first fight, but it's not like we didn't know anything about him. his genjutsu, fireballs, and regular susano'o were perfectly fine. We can base that off of every other Uchiha in the series with the sharingan. It is an ass pull when you are using techs that the original creator never even showed. Or unlocking a rinnegan due to a convenient plot point that wasn't revealed until much later. It was rumored he didn't die at the VoTE, but not rumored that he had unlocked rinnegan or obtained senju DNA. Actually that argument wasn't that hard. lol
Ah, here's the problem. Quite simply, you're wrong. I can show you scenes of Sasuke treating Sakura nicely and considering her as important to him as Naruto if I must. And you're holding a character flaw(an intentional one that Sakura recognizes and tries to deal with, in a good way and later a bad one).
He was nice to her? That makes them great friends? the most heart felt moment I can recall between the two was when he thanked her for her friendship before he knocked her out and left the village. His bond and friendship was much stronger with Naruto. How is that even debated? The fact is, she is in love with someone who never loved her, and had no second thoughts about killing her. So, imo, she sucks.
AhahahahahahahaSee Chiyo fight where Sakura sacrifices herself for a stranger.
Sakura is a better character by virtue of having a character that isn't completely tied to her love interest/emo past.
I never said she didn't care for others, It's just that Hinata always does. Again, Hinata didn't use her best friend to get back the person she loved. In fact, when her love interest was fighting against a powerful opponent, SHE fought to save him. Almost to her death. She didn't beg a friend.
It's his first fight, but it's not like we didn't know anything about him. his genjutsu, fireballs, and regular susano'o were perfectly fine. We can base that off of every other Uchiha in the series with the sharingan. It is an ass pull when you are using techs that the original creator never even showed. Or unlocking a rinnegan due to a convenient plot point that wasn't revealed until much later. It was rumored he didn't die at the VoTE, but not rumored that he had unlocked rinnegan or obtained senju DNA. Actually that argument wasn't that hard. lol
Tobi mentioned stealing Senju DNA before that point. And Kabuto hinted the *heck* about enhancing his powers, and Madara also expressed surprise that anyone would know of his peak powers.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Exactly. He has the worst motivation barring Sasukes.
Well no, even worse than Sasuke's. Sasuke is, for lack of a better word, a kid who has gone off the deep end insane from despair and having his sense of reality shattered so many times in his life. Not saying that makes him good though, just better than Danzo.
Originally posted by socool8520
It's his first fight, but it's not like we didn't know anything about him. his genjutsu, fireballs, and regular susano'o were perfectly fine. We can base that off of every other Uchiha in the series with the sharingan. It is an ass pull when you are using techs that the original creator never even showed. Or unlocking a rinnegan due to a convenient plot point that wasn't revealed until much later. It was rumored he didn't die at the VoTE, but not rumored that he had unlocked rinnegan or obtained senju DNA. Actually that argument wasn't that hard. lol
Yamato was using techniques that Hashirama never showed. And actually, yeah he was confirmed to have gotten Senju DNA from the Valley. Tobi said he did while posing as Madara.
Originally posted by socool8520
He was nice to her? That makes them great friends? the most heart felt moment I can recall between the two was when he thanked her for her friendship before he knocked her out and left the village. His bond and friendship was much stronger with Naruto. How is that even debated? The fact is, she is in love with someone who never loved her, and had no second thoughts about killing her. So, imo, she sucks.
Yes. He was nice to her. On several occasions. And Sasuke considered her just as much a love one as Naruto. And you're right, his bond with Naruto is stronger. His bond with Naruto is the heart of the manga. But that doesn't mean he considered her nothing. And her choosing not to kill a friend and loved one is no different than Naruto choosing not to kill a friend and loved one. Difference being Sakura has at least tried.
Originally posted by socool8520
I never said she didn't care for others, It's just that Hinata always does. Again, Hinata didn't use her best friend to get back the person she loved. In fact, when her love interest was fighting against a powerful opponent, SHE fought to save him. Almost to her death. She didn't beg a friend.
Hinata risked her team during the first test for her love interest. A love interest who at the time was not nice to her at all. And Sakura has also fought against a powerful opponent, to her near death, for her love interest. Hell, on more than one occasion.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Well no, even worse than Sasuke's. Sasuke is, for lack of a better word, a kid who has gone off the deep end insane from despair and having his sense of reality shattered so many times in his life. Not saying that makes him good though, just better than Danzo.
Which breaks down now since he seems to have gained more clarity of mind from his trip with Itachi and still wants to kill everyone.
Originally posted by Q99
Tobi mentioned stealing Senju DNA before that point. And Kabuto hinted the *heck* about enhancing his powers, and Madara also expressed surprise that anyone would know of his peak powers.
So stealing senju Dna means that he can use techs that Hash was never known to use at that point is not an ass pull? Why would people not know about his peak powers? He had to of used them at the VoTE. Hash survived it and could tell the story. Plus, saying that he was surprised people would know his peak powers is a convenient plot tool to allow him to continue to pull more techs out of his ass. I really see this as no different than what Itachi has done.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Yamato was using techniques that Hashirama never showed. And actually, yeah he was confirmed to have gotten Senju DNA from the Valley. Tobi said he did while posing as Madara.
Yes, Yamato used that wood cabin jutsu, that he stated he invented iirc. The kyubbi suppression thing was directly linked back to Hash before he Yamato ever used the tech. That's the difference between explained and just pulling out of nowhere. Wood clones are believable because several elements do that. Water clones, earth clones, etc. are common. being able to use Susano'o on several clones isn't common though. If this were the case, I'm sure Itachi would have already done it.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
His quest to know everything.Granted, he still wants his revenge because he does consider Itachi's sacrifice worth avenging...but he is giving it more thought than before.
This is true. From his actions and dialogue, he has shown more hesitance and forethought about taking revenge. he is finally at least considering some form of logic and reason.
Originally posted by socool8520
Yes, Yamato used that wood cabin jutsu, that he stated he invented iirc. The kyubbi suppression thing was directly linked back to Hash before he Yamato ever used the tech. That's the difference between explained and just pulling out of nowhere. Wood clones are believable because several elements do that. Water clones, earth clones, etc. are common. being able to use Susano'o on several clones isn't common though. If this were the case, I'm sure Itachi would have already done it.
Yamamoto tracks people through seeds. That is something Hashirama never did in his fight nor was it ever indicated.
On a different not, since Kakashi's and tobi's tech is virtually the same, How long do you think it will be before Kakashi can become intangible?
He has already become very good with Kamui. Also, Kakshi should just kamui several tailed beast balls from Naruto when he pushes them through Tobi to finish him off.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
I'm honestly more excited about seeing Road to Ninja.That movie needs to come out soon. I need to see what hilarity will ensue with Alternate Characters.
have they set a date for U.S. release? I want to see it as well. I'd like to see if Minato uses more techs, and also see what Kushina can do.