The Official Naruto series Thread

Originally posted by dadudemon
Woah..woah......woah....

My points of discussion were never about pros and cons of Danzo as a character.

Go read my post, again: I could not care less about the pros and cons of Danzo because you all know my stance on him, already: he's one of the very very few "true" ninja in Naruto and had great character development towards the very end of his life.

Then I'm sorry you jumped in to comment on the derailing PG did concerning the actual topic.

Going from living to dead is development I guess.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Then I'm sorry you jumped in to comment on the derailing PG did concerning the actual topic.

No, you're not sorry. And since I commented directly on something you said, I hardly jumped in to some derailing: I was responding to comments you made.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Going from living to dead is development I guess.

I apologize that you cannot enjoy some of the finer writing in Naruto. 🙁 Are you just too dumb to understand it or are you being a baby and throwing a fit? weep

As I recall the only thing Danzo did at the end was somehow think he could beat Tobi even after he wasted everything on Sasuke.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, you're not sorry. And since I commented directly on something you said, I hardly jumped in to some derailing: I was responding to comments you made.

You're right, I'm not. And that comment wouldn't have been made had PG not gone on his wittle and pointless rant. Note that my comment was an attempt to steer the conversation back to Danzo.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I apologize that you cannot enjoy some of the finer writing in Naruto. 🙁 Are you just too dumb to understand it or are you being a baby and throwing a fit? weep

A guy who realizes that at the end of his life that he was always a cowardly pathetic dipshit doesn't change the fact that he was always a cowardly pathetic dipshit. Him getting rid of his magic eyeball because he realizes that Tobi can use it far better than him hardly matters to me. Is it an action for the greater good? Yeah. Does it bring back all the people Kabuto or Pain had killed? No. His redemption is hampered by the fact that were he not going to die one way or another, he wouldn't have realized the era of his ways.

And nice job insulting me. We can clearly see who is the big baby here.

Originally posted by Nephthys
As I recall the only thing Danzo did at the end was somehow think he could beat Tobi even after he wasted everything on Sasuke.

What was it?

Originally posted by AuraAngel
What was it?

Well you seemed to know he had a plan to begin with.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Well you seemed to know he had a plan to begin with.

Not really a backup plan if it's thought up on the spot.

A plan is just the means to achieve a goal.

Danzō reluctancy to use the eye against Sasuke cost him the battle.

Oh no, he'd have been right to use it on Tobi. And since direct eye contact isn't necessary, he really had it right.

But then he decides for some reason to defend himself when some kid calls him a hypocrite. Which wasted his time before Sasuke just decided "Ah **** it, see ya Karin."

I don't know why people make out that hypnosis thing of Danzou's as some reason why he should win and doesn't. It really isn't that helpful at all, except for the kage summit. Obviously it is a slow, subtle genjutsu that would have been useless in a real fight. Danzou knew how to use it. A credit to his character. I was more impressed with his wind element attacks (wish Naruto would use them), then his hypnosis trick. He had a far better showing against the susano'o than anybody else. Hell, A lost an arm. I think he kinda got shafted in the story losing to a simple genjutsu, but hey, that's how it goes when you fight an Uchiha.

All in all, I think Danzou was a pretty good character. He spent a lot of time pulling strings from behind the scenes until it was time to take a leadership role.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
the derailing PG did concerning the actual topic.

"i don't like it so you can't say it"

danzou isn't part of the prophecy so his options are limited, even transforming himself into a monster can't save him

Originally posted by AuraAngel
You're right, I'm not. And that comment wouldn't have been made had PG not gone on his wittle and pointless rant. Note that my comment was an attempt to steer the conversation back to Danzo.

Cool, a concession. This is rare. You usually quit discussions before you get this far.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
And nice job insulting me. We can clearly see who is the big baby here.

Yes, I'm a baby because I was throwing a fit because people were bad mouthing the Uchihas. Makes perfect sense. 313

Danzo is one of the best characters in Naruto.

This isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

Aura, frankly, you've shown yourself on a multitude of occasions to be seriously biased against Danzo to an unreasonable extent (You've gone on record as referring to Danzo as a "complete monster", aka a villain lacking any and all redeeming qualities morally, no matter how small, which isn't an opinion, it's wrong).

Danzo didn't lose because Sasuke was a "better ninja", he lost because Sasuke happens to have an uberpowered eye jutus that encases him in a nigh unbreakable suit of chakra armour. Aka, luck. Sasuke has had the majority of his upgrades in power handed to him as of late, the Sharingan in general, the Mangekyo Sharingan, the EMS, suggestions of Sasuke taking steroids (lol).

Danzo had to work or plot his way to all he had, like Hiruzen, and had real character flaws, that while making him come off as maybe "pathetic", makes him more of a man than Sasuke for example who is a butthurt whiny faggotron who subscribes to a moral myopia that is frankly disgusting, justifying his every flaw or horrible act with some flimsy excuse that makes sense only to him.

But this is getting a bit off topic.

Danzo is a character who did wrong for the right reasons, and even though he found himself often unable to live up to the standard for what he believes a Shinobi should be, he tried, people forget how important that is. The fact that Danzo had ideals he believed in but constantly struggled to meet them makes him a very human character.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Danzo is one of the best characters in Naruto.

This isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

Aura, frankly, you've shown yourself on a multitude of occasions to be seriously biased against Danzo to an unreasonable extent (You've gone on record as referring to Danzo as a "complete monster", aka a villain lacking any and all redeeming qualities morally, no matter how small, which isn't an opinion, it's wrong).

Danzo didn't lose because Sasuke was a "better ninja", he lost because Sasuke happens to have an uberpowered eye jutus that encases him in a nigh unbreakable suit of chakra armour. Aka, luck. Sasuke has had the majority of his upgrades in power handed to him as of late, the Sharingan in general, the Mangekyo Sharingan, the EMS, suggestions of Sasuke taking steroids (lol).

Danzo had to work or plot his way to all he had, like Hiruzen, and had real character flaws, that while making him come off as maybe "pathetic", makes him more of a man than Sasuke for example who is a butthurt whiny faggotron who subscribes to a moral myopia that is frankly disgusting, justifying his every flaw or horrible act with some flimsy excuse that makes sense only to him.

But this is getting a bit off topic.

Danzo is a character who did wrong for the right reasons, and even though he found himself often unable to live up to the standard for what he believes a Shinobi should be, he tried, people forget how important that is. The fact that Danzo had ideals he believed in but constantly struggled to meet them makes him a very human character.

Daaaaaammmmmnnnnnn!!!!! Nice

Originally posted by NemeBro
Danzo is one of the best characters in Naruto.

This isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

It is an opinion, just the popular one. I've never heard a good argument to convince me otherwise.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Aura, frankly, you've shown yourself on a multitude of occasions to be seriously biased against Danzo to an unreasonable extent (You've gone on record as referring to Danzo as a "complete monster", aka a villain lacking any and all redeeming qualities morally, no matter how small, which isn't an opinion, it's wrong).

I've heard the term applied to nicer characters with more redeeming qualities than Danzo so I have no qualms about calling him one. I.e, if Danzo had the Death Note I think he would do exactly what Light would do, just less intelligently.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Danzo didn't lose because Sasuke was a "better ninja", he lost because Sasuke happens to have an uberpowered eye jutus that encases him in a nigh unbreakable suit of chakra armour. Aka, luck. Sasuke has had the majority of his upgrades in power handed to him as of late, the Sharingan in general, the Mangekyo Sharingan, the EMS, suggestions of Sasuke taking steroids (lol).

Oh ho ho I like that. Calling Sasuke uberpowered when his opponent was using reality warping powers unlike anything seen before in the manga. I like that, I really do. And lol Sasuke had his powers handed to him. Did you forget that Danzo had a dude transplant all that shit onto him, i.e Orochimaru handed it to him? Of course you did, because that's just like you.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Danzo had to work or plot his way to all he had, like Hiruzen, and had real character flaws, that while making him come off as maybe "pathetic", makes him more of a man than Sasuke for example who is a butthurt whiny faggotron who subscribes to a moral myopia that is frankly disgusting, justifying his every flaw or horrible act with some flimsy excuse that makes sense only to him.

Working and plotting!? Hold the presses, oh my God! This is unheard of in this manga! And yeah no, you are wrong.Tell me, what is the difference between a clearly insane Sasuke, who the manga is telling us is in the wrong, doing horrible things with the excuse "For Itachi" and Danzo doing horrible things with the excuse "For Konoha"? I'll tell you what the difference is: I at least see that Sasuke really did care about his brother, while I've never seen Danzo show that he cares whatsoever about Konoha.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Danzo is a character who did wrong for the right reasons, and even though he found himself often unable to live up to the standard for what he believes a Shinobi should be, he tried, people forget how important that is. The fact that Danzo had ideals he believed in but constantly struggled to meet them makes him a very human character.

Alright big guy, here's a game we can play: Show me Danzo doing something wrong for the sole betterment of Konoha. Show me that Danzo actually cares about his village and not about his own betterment. Since Danzo is such a great character, you should be able to come up with about 3 examples right? Sounds fair to me.

Now, keep in mind, it has to be genuine. Sasuke uses "For Itachi" as an excuse for his own morally reprehensible actions when he really is doing things, mostly, out of his own insane/hate driven mind. Though I can show you 3 examples of Sasuke genuinely loving his brother: Here ya go. And don't use the whole "He's a less important character" than Sasuke, cause Hanzo(who was called a Complete Monster at one point) is more minor than either and I can do the same for his goal of bringing peace to the Shinobi world:Here ya go. Not three since I didn't count his redemption against Mifune(which is better than Danzo's redemption, which I'm also not counting since people behave differently when they die) but Danzo is more important than him. In both of those instances, Hanzo has nothing practical to gain for himself by sparing them(cept more fame I guess) and it seems like he is doing it out of kindness for his fellow warriors. He just wants peace and ironically his sparing of Mifune would lead to world peace...man I like Hanzo. What a good character.

And yeah, I don't really care if you like Danzo. It's not that I don't understand, I just think it's poorly justified. But who knows? I can be proven wrong.

^ seems to me that you just like simplicity. sasuke's simple ass, and hanzo's lack of depth also appeals to you over the paradox that is danzou.

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So you're saying Danzo is nothing but a contradiction? Which is what a paradox is. I can agree to this really.